The Social Security Lockbox

We seem to be making progress in making the case that Social Security is not bankrupt, in spite of the chicken little hysteria of the Bushies and the MSM. Instead of resting on our laurels, I think this would be a good time to press the issue. Simply as a matter of political strategy, genuine alternatives to dismantling Social Security could erode President Bush's political capital and let the American people know who's really looking out for them.

Three possibilities I would like to suggest are (1) bringing back the lockbox, (2) The Diamond-Orszag Alternative and just to poke a sharp stick in the eye of conservatives, (3) introduce a genuine national retirement program in addition to  Social Security based on the Thrift Saving Plan for federal employees and members of the uniformed services. It is probably too late to actually pass a National Thrift Savings Plan, but it sure would have been a great alternative to President Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy in 2001. Would there have been greater support for tax cuts for the top 10% or a retirement plan for the bottom 90%?

The title of this diary is Social Security Lock Box because I wanted to provide the political history of the lockbox. The best explanation I've found was SAVE THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS,by Jonathan Chait, in the 9/17/01 issue of The New Republic.
The lockbox idea dates back to President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union address, in which he proposed cordoning off the emerging budget surplus until the two parties found a way to solve Social Security's long-term financial shortfall. The logic was eminently reasonable. Given that Social Security and Medicare account for nearly half of the federal budget, and we didn't know how much it would cost to shore them up, it didn't make sense to fritter away the government's surplus cash. (Contrary to Reich, even if the economy does fare better in the coming years than government actuaries currently predict, that won't solve Social Security's financial troubles. Benefits are tied to wages, so faster growth means higher wages and hence higher benefit costs.)

Clinton thus stymied the congressional Republicans, who, of course, wanted to devote the surplus to a tax cut. But Clinton's line in the sand was gradually undermined as the budget surplus kept growing. At first the surplus consisted entirely of excess funds in Social Security and Medicare. But by 1999, revenues were coming in so fast that the government was projecting a budget surplus outside of Social Security and Medicare. This enabled Republicans to devise a counterstrategy. They agreed to place the Social Security and Medicare surpluses in a lockbox, meaning they could be used only for debt reduction. But the rest of the surplus could be used for tax cuts or spending. Clinton and the Democrats assented to this division.


But if you look closely, it makes perfect sense. Social Security and Medicare run surpluses for a reason. When the baby-boomer generation retires, a lot more people will start collecting benefits, and not enough workers will pay taxes to support them. If we kept those programs exclusively "pay as you go," then this added burden would be borne exclusively by future workers. So, starting in the 1980s, Congress raised the taxes that fund those programs--with the explicit goal of creating surpluses within Social Security and Medicare that could help prepare the programs for the coming demographic bulge.

If, on the other hand, we use the Medicare and Social Security surpluses to fund higher spending or lower taxes, then keeping separate books for Medicare and Social Security really is pointless.

That's the rub. Democrats want to use the Social Security surplus for new programs and Republicans want to use the surplus for tax cuts and corporate welfare.
The long-term need to prepare for the boomers' retirement dwarfs, by an order of magnitude, any short-term benefits of goosing the economy. Better that we have an overly rigid mechanism to ensure the long-term stability of the economy and the budget than no mechanism at all.

Well, if we had a lockbox at one time, what happened to it, and why did it happen?

WHO'S AFRAID OF REDUCING THE NATIONAL DEBT?by Jonathan Chait, Feb. 02, 2001.

Last week, Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, declared that the president would break open the Medicare lockbox and use the money to fund a prescription-drug benefit. "If we can use the Medicare surplus to help get prescription drugs to seniors, we ought to do that," Fleischer argued, "as opposed to using Medicare money to pay off bonds or pay money to bondholders. So the president believes that every dollar that comes in for Medicare should be used for Medicare."    ...

The real reason Bush needs to do away with the lockbox is that his tax cut and spending proposals would cost more than the regular budget surplus. Bush needs to dip into the Medicare surplus to make his numbers add up. If he puts the lockbox money back in the budget, he'll have an extra $400 billion to play with.


Am I the only one who wasn't aware that Medicare was also running a surplus in 2001?

THE PRESIDENT V. MEDICARE, PART I.: Tax and Steal  by Jonathan Chait, July, 30, 2001.

Cordoning off the Social Security and Medicare surpluses, while somewhat arbitrary, makes sense. For one thing, the reason the trust funds run surpluses now is to prepare for the deficits they will inevitably run in the future, when the baby-boomers retire. Spending those surpluses on other programs would subvert the whole point. Second, politicians need some artificial device to counteract their natural tendency to shovel out surpluses through vote-buying tax cuts and spending programs. The lockboxes are the best mechanism to force politicians to do the responsible thing and pay down the national debt before the demographic crisis hits.

From the White House's perspective, though, the lockboxes have been a source of near-endless exasperation. This administration, needless to say, values tax cuts above all else, and any money that's locked away for debt reduction is not available for tax cuts. Keeping the government in debt also makes it politically easier to cut spending and privatize social insurance programs. So, even before Bush took office, his economic advisers began looking for ways to justify breaking into the lockboxes. Now, with larceny imminent, the rationalizing has grown urgent.

There was some back and take in Slate at about the same time:
Lockbox Logic by Jacob Weisberg,  Sept. 6, 2001.

Mickey's crystal ball apparently didn't forsee the Bush economic budget forecast.

Sorry! The Budget Debate Really Isn't Exciting! Mickey Kaus, Sept. 7, 2001,

Spending the $9 billion of the trust fund still leaves the government running a surplus (entirely from Social Security) of about $153 billion, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates. Weisberg charges: "If ... Bush brings back structural deficits and expands the national debt, the country will be in a poor position to address the huge costs of the baby boomers' retirement." That's true. But the current budget doesn't bring back structural deficits, or expand the national debt even temporarily. It pays down the debt, to the tune of $153 billion. Sure, $162 billion would be even better. But $9 billion more or $9 billion less is not a big deal, as long as we keep reducing the debt by tens and hundreds of billions a year (so we can run it back up again, if necessary, to pay for the baby-boomers' retirement).

Reply to Kausfiles by Jacob Weisberg, Sept. 10, 2001.

Unless you agree with Gary M Galles, Economics professor at Pepperdine University, Don't believe trust-fund fakery: Foes of Social Security reform act as if $1 trillion in IOUs are actual money  and even Robert Reich, SPEND THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS. who may have changed his mind since 2001, the only conclusion left is that Bush is plundering Social Security to close the deficit. by Daniel Gross,  Jan. 9, 2004.

I don't know about you, but the FICA payments that come out of my check every week sure seem like hard assets. I imagine my company thinks their matching contribution is honest to goodness money as well. The biggest complaint about the trust fund is that it consists of treasury bond IOUs instead of hard assets. So lets just put hard assets into the trust fund for the next ten years, instead of spending it on the general operating budget or passing it out in tax cuts.

I have not seen any good arguments against putting the lockbox back in effect. There doesn't seem to be any reason to expect Democrats will be able to use the surplus for beneficial government programs that Robert Reich would have preferred instead of tax cuts. The two choices are (1) making it easier for Bush to extend his tax cuts, and Republicans to give away more corporate pork, or (2) implementing a brand new lockbox so the close to one trillion dollar surplus over the next ten years actually goes into the trust fund as hard assets, instead of IOUs.


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Hard Assests (none / 0)

What are some examples of "hard assests"? Land, gold, oil? How would these be better investments than Treasury Bonds?
Sweet is war to those who have not experienced it. (dulce bellum inexpertus) from Adagia by Desiderius Erasmus - 1515
by Herb La Tortue on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 03:13:44 PM EST

Re: Hard Assests (none / 0)

The treasury bonds are actually nontradable IOUs. The Social Security surplus is used for normal operating expenses and the Treasury Department issues the special bonds to the trust fund. This year the Social Security surplus was about $150 billion, give or take $10 billion. That means the actual deficit was close to $600 billion.

The reason the above maneuver is necessary is that Social Security FICA payments are "dedicated" to the Social Security program, or "off budget". They cannot just be used for normal operating expenses without some sort of subterfuge.

If the surplus was instead converted to normal treasury bonds the trust fund could actually invest them in a number of investment funds similar to the Thrift Savings Plan investment pools. That way the trust fund would be accumulating "hard assets" and conservatives could not make the specious complaint that the trust fund bonds are not real assets.

The trust fund bonds are guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, just like the bonds sold every week in the treasury auction to cover the budget deficit. The lock box is essentially an accounting mechanism that clarifies a lot of budget issues and in a macro-economic sense does make the transition in 2042 easier. Deficit spending, corporate welfare and unaffordable tax cuts would be more difficult to justify because the true costs would not be as easy to rationalize away.

Josh Marshall's point that we don't have a Social Security problem, we have a budget deficit problem is entirely accurate. It is easier to confuse the two issues because the Social Security surplus is used for operating expenses instead of placed in an accounting lock box that segregates it from the general fund, in addition to dedicating it to Social Security.

That's why the Bushies busted the Medicare and Social Security lock box that existed in 2001. The Democrats probably didn't complain because they had delusions that they would get to spend the surplus on government programs after the 2004 election. A lockbox accounting mechanism would result in a far more honest budget. We know how the Bushies feel about an honest budget:

The real reason Bush needs to do away with the lockbox is that his tax cut and spending proposals would cost more than the regular budget surplus. Bush needs to dip into the Medicare surplus to make his numbers add up. If he puts the lockbox money back in the budget, he'll have an extra $400 billion to play with.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:04:46 PM EST
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Re: Hard Assets (none / 0)

Tradeable Treasury Bonds sound good. Alternately, I would prefer non-tradeable bonds with an interest rate premium of 25 basis points.
Sweet is war to those who have not experienced it. (dulce bellum inexpertus) from Adagia by Desiderius Erasmus - 1515
by Herb La Tortue on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 05:29:33 PM EST
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Re: Hard Assets (none / 0)

When last I read their description the financial instruments in the SS lockbox did not pay a very good interest rate.  Your proposal is far better.

It should be observed that to take these out of the lockbox then (i) the Treasury must raise the cash from taxes, or (ii) the Treasury must borrow the money from someplace else by issuing bonds.  The latter requires that they sell a large number of additional bonds and cover the interest.  The former means that the bonds disappear and (up to some legalese questions) effectively a good chunk of the national debt will have been paid off just as Barry Goldwater wanted.  Are these options practicable?

Of course, under modern conditions it is hard to imagine Goldwater staying as a Republican, though his choice of alternative party might not be the Democratic Party.

by phillies on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:56:50 PM EST
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Just get rid of the 89k cap (none / 0)

and you wont have to worry about anything, even government debt.
by Paul Goodman on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 03:15:41 PM EST

Agree Totally (none / 0)

How is taxing the rich more a losing political debate?

Oh wait, 19% of Americans think they are in the top 1% of income earners.

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by pacified on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 03:38:42 PM EST
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The Diamond-Orszag Alternative (none / 0)

that I linked to above makes just that suggestion, among others. The problem with your suggestion all by itself is that it opens the door to other changes. Social Security has some relatively minor long term flaws that could be improved. The problem is how you improve Social Security with an untrustworthy Republican Congress. They could easily go into a House/Senate negotiating committe like they did with the Medicare Prescription Drug bill, and give everybody four hours to read it and cast their vote.

That's why I support keeping the Diamond-Orszag Alternative in the Dems back pocket until Bush comes forward with a plan. When Bush unveils his plan, then the Dems can offer the Diamond-Orszag Alternative if they need a concrete proposal to contrast with the Bush stealth plan.

The safest course is to obstruct any reform until Dems take control of one house of Congress or the Presidency. I'm not completely sure, because legislative rules are not my specialty, but I think a lockbox could be introduced as a separate bill without opening the door to any additional changes. It would deal strictly and solely with how the Social Security surplus is accounted for.

There may technically be nothing to prevent the Republicans from taking a lockbox bill into a House/Senate negotiation and coming up with an entirely different reform package. I guess they could take it into negotiation and come out with a transportation bill if they really wanted to.

However, I believe those kind of fundamental changes would be easier to make on a bill that actually made structural changes in how Social Security operates, than it would be in a simple accounting bill.

It's just a thought. I think it's better to have several fallback alternatives than it is to place all your eggs in one basket.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:17:07 PM EST
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Lockbox (none / 0)

Keeping the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds segregated from the General Fund seems like the prudent thing to do. Politicians from both sides will always be tempted to tap into these reserves (reserve being a more accurate term than surplus).

As far as fixing the flat tire of Social Security it seems that the following would go a long way.

  • Remove the cap on earned income.
  • Increase retirement age in line with increased life expectancy - about one month every other year.
  • Continue to invest in long-term Treasury Bonds.
Additionally, consider investing not more than 30 percent of the monthly surplus into a broad-based, non-partisan index such as the S&P 500 or the Wilshire 5000. This would give the reserve a chance to build a stock portfolio slowly without having a drastic affect on the markets. The existing reserve would be left in Treasury Bonds and a cap of 15-20 percent would be set on the amount of stock in the reserve.

Note that there are no "personal accounts" here. It would be far more efficient and cost effective to have the stock portfolio managed like a large retirement account. The current life annuity style of Social Security could remain as the core element of retirement plans for the majority of Americans. Their "personal accounts" would continue to consist of things like 401(K)s, IRAs, Insurance Annuities, etc.

Sweet is war to those who have not experienced it. (dulce bellum inexpertus) from Adagia by Desiderius Erasmus - 1515
by Herb La Tortue on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 05:24:11 PM EST

Re: Lockbox (none / 0)

Raising the retirement age along with increased life expectancy is probably the biggest problem confronting Social Security. There are many physical jobs in which this is not a reasonable option. One company/industry that would be interesting to examine is Fed Ex. I don't imagine many Fed Ex drivers are going to be delivering packages into their late 60's. The 1983 reform already gradually increased the retirement age during the 2000-2005 period and will adjust it again during the 2017-2022 period.

Diamond & Orszag address this problem. They would have an annual adjustment by Social Security actuaries based on what the mortality rate was doing. The increased cost would be allocated 50% to the retirement age and 50% to benefit reductions for workers under 59. Once a worker reached 60 their benefit schedule could not be changed.

Diamond & Orszag also mention an early retirement option for workers with physical jobs, but how that part works is vague.

They slowly increase the FICA deductions for both workers and employer until both parties contribute 7.09% in 2055. They also raise the payroll cap to $111,000 and add a 3% legacy tax to all income over the cap.

Diamond-Orszag is a comlpex plan and our first choice should be to completely block any reform by Republicans because they are basically untrustworthy. As a backup strategy, I like the idea of a lockbox, just as a matter of political strategy. It puts a lot of heat on Bush and the Republicans and makes it very difficult for them to explain their opposition.

I would hold the Diamond-Orszag plan in deep reserve as a final option if the first two options were not sufficient to block other changes by the Republicans. It is genuine progressive reform that strengthens Social Security and adds additional protection in a number of ways. But I wouldn't trust Bush or the Republican party with any bill in a House/Senate negotiating session.

Hell, after the Medicare Prescription Drug bill, I don't know how any Democrat can vote on any legislation in good faith. Who knows what the final bill is going to look like?

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 08:46:15 PM EST
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hard assets (US government bonds: not!) (none / 0)

I'm actually against putting any social security funds into US government bonds (if the choice was ever possible). There is no way that the US government (the general fund, that is, the federal government minus SS and the other trust funds) is a sound investment.

The heart of the general fund's finances is that it owes 7.34 trillion (plus an expected 1.2 trillion over the next four years) and it collects about 1.0 trillion per year via taxation (don't count payroll or other contributions). And with tax cuts extended pernamently, you can expect the total deficit to rise every year thereafter.

First, you have to doubt that that 7.34+1.2T is really backed by the ability to tax.  If interest rates rise (even to 5% which is what the market expects in a few years), short-term interest payments on 8.54T eat half of the 1.0T in annual tax revenues.

Second, the US government is paying artificially low interest on it's bonds now. It is not a free market since the US gov knows SS is there to buy up a chunk of the annual federal deficits, and Japan and other asian countries are there to send dollars back to the US to buy bonds in order to keep the exchange rate artificially at the current levels. This creates artificially high prices for US gov bonds (and hence artificially low interest rates).  If it wasn't for these entities buying US bonds, interest rates in the US would be much higher.

Third, we have made the average maturity of the US bonds much shorter now (no 30-year bonds, and very few 10-year bonds). This does not save on interest expense.  All this strategy does is pay less interest now, more when the bonds are rolled in later years (since the yield curve curves sharply up).  This has given us a short period where we pay low interest, but makes higher interest hit harder when it finally does hit.

Fourth, the scare with Social Security isn't then it theoretically reaches the zero balance. The scare is when the US government has to start taxing in order to start repaying the $3.0 trillion that it has already spent. This hits a lot sooner. (and surprise, expect a much less progressive tax. a flat tax? by then).

Fifth, what entity is there to lend the US government this amount of cash when we need to borrow to cover it?  It's not like the rest of the world has 3.0T in cash ready to lend us (we'll we might have a fighting chance if we were at all respected in Europe.. but that's dead after our Iraq/UN actions).

I can't think of a company that has as bad of a balance sheet as the US government's general fund.

A large portion of why the US government bonds are credit worthy now is because SS and the other trust funds are being used for the general fund's finances. If you actually had the choice to separate the finances of the general fund, you wouldn't want to buy its bonds.

by zigzig on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 08:55:08 PM EST

Re: hard assets (US government bonds: not!) (none / 0)

I'm not sure if your description of the trust fund buying U.S. bonds the way foreign investors do is entirely accurate. The result of the surplus is that the government is required to issue a lower dollar value of bonds because the surplus is used for operating expenses that would otherwise have to be financed.

My understanding is that the Treasury issues the special nontradable Social Security bonds in exchange for using the surplus for operating expenses. The result is to provide some marginal stability to the price/interest rate of the weekly treasury auction, because the required dollar amount is lowered by an amount equivalent to the amount of the surplus.

I believe the market can be assumed to have factored in the Social Security surplus to the auction price, because it is a known and predictable quantity. Other factors that are unknown or unpredictable will tend to have a greater impact on the value of both regular tradeable treasury bonds and the nontradeable Social Security bonds.

For example, today the market reacted quite strongly to a Fed announcement earlier this week that was unexpected:

-- US Treasuries nurse wounds after Fed rate warning --By Wayne Cole
    NEW YORK, Jan 5 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasuries were subdued on Wednesday with much of the market still in shock after the Federal Reserve warned that interest rates would have to rise
further to curb future inflation.  ...

  Bond bulls were desperately trying to put a positive spin on the minutes of the Fed's December meeting, noting many board members still expected inflation to remain contained and that
further hikes would remain dependent on the data.
    But their efforts were a struggle given how blunt the Fed was in warning that real rates were too low, liquidity too high and investors were taking on too much risk.
    "In other words, watch out -- the "punch bowl police" are watching you!" said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at RBS Greenwich Markets, referring to the famous adage that it was a
central bank's job to take away the punch bowl just when the party was heating up.

Last year, during a stable period for interest rates, some analysts said they were even looking for a change in the punctuation of the Fed's comment on interest rates.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that the value of the bonds would be affected by whether they were in the trust fund as IOUs or invested in the market as hard assets. There would certainly be macro-economic effects from the change, but I don't believe they would would be dramatic.

The only people who will loan us the money when we need it are the same people who loan it to us now. The buyers of treasury notes at the weekly auction. One big threat hanging over the market is that the Chinese and Japanese, among others, will decided to stop buying the full auction because the dollar is dropping against the euro.

There are people a whole lot smarter than me who are calling this one both ways. I don't know when or if it will happen. For now, the U.S. economy is still a very safe haven.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:21:03 PM EST
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Re: hard assets (US government bonds: not!) (none / 0)

The current credit (low interest rate) bubble is a market bubble, not dissimilar to other market bubbles.  There's been an artifical supply of the buyers of bonds (seller of yields) in the past 3 years (in the market with foreign central banks), and longer (off-market with SS and other trust funds).

The Dollar Crisis was a well-read book in the investment centers a couple summers ago, and applicable for the marketable bonds.  Everyone is up in the air with the off-market bonds, since there's nothing to compare against 1.6 trillion in SS debt plus other trust funds due 20-30yrs; you get a lot of opinions.

But you can get a sense of which way the wind is blowing. Lately the market purchasers are not buying longer durations (2-year notes are a growing chunk of our debt).  The market is saying that we're not the safe haven we used to be when our  mid-duration bonds were bid in the market with large volumes.

Moreover I wouldn't put the cart in front of the horse and add that the foreign banks are buying less because of the drop in the dollar. I'm not sure where that argument came from, but the reverse implication is sounder economically (foreign buyers redistributing their cash out of dollars and into europe, leading to a drop in the dollar as they convert currencies because there's fewer entities doing the reverse trade). You need that imbalance in the market place to move the exchange rate.

We will eventually get to the opposite end of the credit bubble when there will be an artificial amount of sellers of bonds (1.2trillion in new bonds is harder to sell over the next 4 years than most people believe, even with support of the aisan central banks).

by zigzig on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 10:43:13 PM EST
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Re: hard assets (US government bonds: not!) (none / 0)

Agreed zig zag. I admitted in an earlier post that I am certainly no Brad DeLong or Paul Krugman, explaining today that the budget deficit is the problem not the trust fund, and promising to explain soon why privatization is an economic disaster.

My understanding is that foreign buyers redistributing their dollars into other currencies is the flip side of the devalued dollar. A weaker dollar makes other currencies more attractive. This is a complex problem that involves the interaction of the purchase of U.S. treasury bonds, the current account deficit and a devalued dollar. I'll have to look for the link tying in treasury purchases by foreign governments, but you get the idea.  

The problem for foreign countries in the past was the lack of another "safe harbor" currency until the euro came along. The mark and the pound have at times been as safe as the dollar, but the sheer volume of the British and German currency were inadequate.

The euro in the short term, and to a certain extent the Chinese yuan in the long term, may be able to serve as alternative safe haven currencies in the future.

Brad DeLong commented on another problem directly related to privatizing Social Security. First, here's a very optomistic assessment and excellent explanation of the S.S. trust fund, and another that points out that the general fund is in worse shape than the S.S. trust fund. On the other hand, on Sept. 29, 2004 he listed five reasons to support privatization.

The problem for the market related to Social Security, that Brad deLong commented on, (I lost the link) was that in the fairly near term, as the baby boomers retire and start drawing on their private retirement accounts as well as collecting Social Security, there will be downward pressure on the equity market. Instead of investing for their retirement, and putting significant upward pressure on the equity and bond market, they will be selling, and putting downward pressure on the equity and bond market as a result of decreased demand. This will also tend to weaken the value of the dollar.

The macro economic consequences of all these get incredibly intricate and complex. As I said, I'm no Brad deLong or Paul Krugman. I just try to keep up on their opinions and share their insights. It also assists my undertanding as I try to inartfully explain their ideas with something besides simple boxquotes.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 01:54:13 AM EST
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It's simple (none / 0)

When the GOP is in office, the corporate interests see that as a green light to sock it to the American people, and their buddies in Washington say 'go right ahead'.

I have noticed a VERY CLEAR relationship along these lines for years. I am surprised that nobody else sees it..

GOP in office, we all lose out....

except for a very few who make out...like bandits...

Thats why we have deficits in Medicare now..

It's open season on you and me...

by ultraworld on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:00:36 PM EST

Is there any way to protect those funds... (none / 0)

From being lost if the US gets into a big war or some other disaster?

Call me paranoid, but I'm thinking back to Bush's 'trifecta' comment from a few years ago..

And of course, the logic from many goes "If we have a war, all bets are off"

Then, they will take that money...

by ultraworld on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:07:10 PM EST

Not ex post facto. (none / 0)

A "big war" will be an apocalyptic ragnarok that will usher in a dark age (presuming we aren't already in one). So you'll have bigger things to worry about than whether you will get a $400 check 40 years from now.

By the way, whats more likely to exist in 40+ years when I start drawing from social security? Social security or a robot that will have radically transformed everything? Social security or massively extended life? Social Security or an America with 10% (or less) of the worlds wealth, power, and influence as opposed to 25%? Perhaps you can see why fighting for social security is not my priority.

by Paul Goodman on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 10:10:12 PM EST
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