DNC Chair vote map & related amendment

Here's a state-by-state map (made by the NDN staff) of the votes for DNC Chair, according to the DNC members residence:

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Notice that DC/Maryland (39) has as much voting power combined as does the Florida/Texas/Ohio (39) block of DNC members, and more combined than California.

One of the reform measures up for a vote (2/3rds approval needed to amend the DNC Charter, majority approval to amend the DNC Bylaws) is that the 75 current appointments currently being made byt DNC Chair would be lessoned to 25. The other 50 would be allocated to 4 regional memberships for appointment, thus decentralizing the DNC membership. Some of you might be interested in the exact language of the amendment, so I'll include it in the extended entry.

Also, here's how the DNC member endorsed count sits (with ~14% committing to a first vote choice):

             Number      Percentage 50% + 1 needed)

Dean         27          6%
Frost        15          3.5%
Webb         10          2.5%
Fowler       6           1.5%
Leland       2            .5%
Rosenberg    -           -
Roemer       -           -

The following amendment to the Charter and Bylaws of the Democratic Party of the United States will be considered by the Rules and Bylaws Committee at its meeting February 11, 2005 in conjunction with the meetings of the Democratic National Committee, February 10-12, 2005.

Submitted by:        Donald L. Fowler, Member at Large

New language is in bold and underlined  ("abc")
Deleted language is indicated with a strikeout ("abc").
Insert sections and renumber or reletter accordingly.

Charter

Article Three

Democratic National Committee

    Section 2. The Democratic National Committee shall be composed of:

(s)    fifty members to be elected by the regional caucuses of the Democratic National Committee in compliance with Article Nine of this Charter and otherwise in accordance with procedures to be specified in the Bylaws;

(t)    additional members as provided in Article Nine of this Charter.  No more than seventy-five twenty-five additional members of the Democratic National Committee may be added by the foregoing members.

Bylaws

Article Two

Democratic National Committee

    Section 2. Membership. The Democratic National Committee shall be composed of:

    (s)    fifty members elected by the regional caucuses of the Democratic National Committee in compliance with Article Nine of the Charter and otherwise specified in Section 3 of these Bylaws;

    (t)    No more than seventy-five twenty-five additional members of the Democratic National Committee may be added by the foregoing members.

    Section 3. Selection of Members

    (e)    Persons who are not otherwise members of the Democratic National Committee shall be elected  as members, pursuant to the provisions of Article II, Section 2(s) of the Charter, by the membership of the regional caucuses as defined in Section 9 of this Article, provided that:

        (i)    each such regional caucus shall elect twelve such persons who legally reside within the geographical boundaries of the states and jurisdictions that are included in that region;

        (ii)    one additional member shall be elected by each of the regional caucuses for the two regions in which the average percentage of the total vote cast for candidates for President of the U.S. that was cast for the Democratic nominee for President were the highest, in the preceding three presidential elections;

        (iii)    the express purposes of electing persons as members of the Democratic National Committee pursuant to this Section 3(e) shall be (a) as to at least nine of the positions to be elected by each regional caucus, to provide representation for groups important to the Democratic Party that have been historically underrepresented, as defined by the Charter and as defined in the rules for affirmative action in the Delegate Selection Rules for the last presidential nominating process, and(b) to give recognition to individuals who have been of importance and significance in the affairs of the Party.

        (iv)    the Rules and Bylaws Committee shall, in consultation and cooperation of the chair of each regional caucus, adopt procedural rules for the election of persons as members of the Democratic National Committee pursuant to this section 3(e), including appropriate goals to ensure achievement of the purposes set forth in section 3(e)(iii) of this Article.;

        (v)    the election of persons by the regional caucuses as members of the DNC pursuant to this section 3(e) shall take place at the second meeting of the Democratic National Committee following each presidential election.




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where do the candidates stand on this issue? (none / 0)

that would be very helpful to know.
by fightforamerica on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:49:09 AM EST

I am from Maryland... (none / 0)

Who can I write to show my support for Howard Dean?
by nickshepDEM on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:13:57 PM EST

Vote Count? (none / 0)

Thanks Jerome.  This is helpful.  Now I'm hoping for someone to put together a comprehensive list of who is committed to whom based on reported endorsements.  And no I'm not volunteering.  :)
by zii on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:22:54 PM EST

From National Journal's Hotline (3.00 / 1)

Welcome to Day 2 of the Hotline's list of voting-DNC member endorsements. Please note that we're only going to note title when a person is chair or vice-chair -- all others are DNC delegates. New additions to the list will be in bold. Enjoy!
Howard Dean		     Dem strategist Donnie Fowler
DNC vice-chair Gloria Molina	    Ex-DNC chair Don Fowler	     
DNC dep chair Ben Johnson	    CA del. Alicia Wang
FL Dem chair Scott Maddox	    Ethnic coord cmte Marty Dunleavy
FL vice-chair Diane Glasser	    KY del. Terry McBrayer 
DNC del. Jon Ausman		    SC del. Waring Howe Jr.
DNC del. Cathy Bartolotti	    IL del. Tom Larkin
DNC del. Terrie Brady 
DNC del. Mitchell Ceasar	    Ex-Rep. Martin Frost
DNC del. Joyce Cusack		    Rep. Eddice Bernice Johnson (D-TX)
DNC del. Allan Katz		    Ex-Dallas mayor Ron Kirk
DNC del. Raul Martinez		    DNC exec cmte Patricia Madrid
DNC del. Chuck Mohlke		    TX chair Charles Soechting
DNC del. Janee Murphy		    DNC del. Yvonne Davis
MS chair Wayne Dowdy		    DNC del. Senfronia Thompson
OK chair Jay Parmley		    DNC del. Oscar Soliz
WA chair Paul Berendt		    TX vice chair Gabrielle Hadnot
VT chair Peter Mallary		    DNC del. Norma Flores
DNC del. Willie Barrow		    DNC del. Jaime Gonzalez
DNC del. Joseph Cari		    DNC del. David Holmes
DNC del. Yolanda Caraway	    DNC del. Sue Lovell
DNC del. Wanda Lockridge	    DNC del. John Patrick
Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA)	    DNC del. Bety Ritchie
UT vice-chair Nancy Woodside	    DNC del. Bob Slagle
DNC del. Martha Dixon	    
DNC del. Yvonne Gates	     Ex-OH Dem chair David Leland
DNC del. Minyon Moore	     OH Dem chair Dennis White
DNC del. Mirian Saez	     DNC del. Mark Mallory

Ex-Denver mayor Wellington Webb
Webb (for himself)
Trenton mayor Doug Palmer
MS del. Harvey Johnson
Detroit mayor Kwame Kipatrick
CO chair Chris Gates
CO vice-chair Julia Hicks
DNC del. Ramona Martinez
DNC del. JW Postal
DNC del. Mannie Rodriguez
DNC del. Weldon Latham

by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:28:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: From National Journal's Hotline (none / 0)

Thanks!

Clarification question:  Sometimes the list says MS del. or KY del. indicating the state.  Other times it just says DNC del.  I know that some of the DNC del. are DNC at large delegates, but I'm guessing that some of the others are actually FL delegates (under Dean) and TX del. (under Frost).  Yes?  If yes, why the inconsistency?  I assume this is a Hotline choice and not a Jerome choice.

by zii on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 01:05:45 PM EST
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Re: From National Journal's Hotline (none / 0)

Claification on one of Dean's list:

Wanda Lockridge is the chair of the DC Democratic State Committee.

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by DCFD Rudi on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 01:24:09 PM EST
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Not a very democratic process (3.00 / 1)

I'm amazed at the undemocratic distribution of DNC members.  It seems obvious that this is designed to allow a few people to dominate the committee.  But, I am a bit paranoid.  I wonder why the committee isn't set up to parallel the house of representatives distribution?
by Sacramentohop on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:27:10 PM EST

Re: Not a very democratic process (3.00 / 1)

It's set up to show how many Democrats are in the state, not how many people.  Additionally, it gives weight to certain groups, such as College Democrats, etc to insure that different groups get a say in the matter.  Hence, the heavy weighting in DC.
by Eric in Texas on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:53:05 PM EST
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More like the electoral college than the House (none / 0)

Each state starts with 2 delegates for the Party Chair and highest ranking official of the other gender.  Vompare this list to the electoral college, rather than the House and small states are consistently over-represented here. The total number of delegates is 444, the map shows 438.  This compares tom 538 electoral votes.

Interestingly, 222 delegates represent states taken by Kerry (half the total votes).  Within this group, large states like California, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Jersey all receive fewer delegates than electoral votes.  As a whole, they have 111 delegates and IIRC 160 electoral votes.  The smaller Kerry states have 111 delegates and 92 electoral votes.  Alot of this is due to the DC, Maryland "overweighting."

Compared to electoral votes, among Bush states. larger states are under-represented and smaller states are over-represented.  One of the few Midwestern states with more delegates than electoral votes is Iowa (9 delegates-7 electoral votes)which of course went narrowly for Bush.  Iowa has more delegates than Kerry states Minnesota, Wisconsin, or New Jersey.  Just my paranoia about the overweight of Iowa and (to a lesser extent) New Hampshire.  

by David Kowalski on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 01:16:07 PM EST
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Votes vs Members (none / 0)

Some commitees have decided to split their votes in half or thirds to garner more participation on the process...

So a State Committee might have 4 DNC votes but 8 or 12 DNC members voting.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:51:54 PM EST
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Lots of east coast votes (none / 0)

Any news on the Eastern Regional DNC caucus this Saturday? I talked to a guy at the NY State Dem HQ and he said they were not planning any public forum like the successful open breakfast part of the Western caucus in Sacramento.

I really can't believe they wouldn't do something similar, as I can only assume all the grassroots groups in NYC, et al, want a voice. Anybody going anyway?

January 29, 10:00 AM
(Registration starts at 8:30 AM)
Eastern Regional Caucus
Roosevelt Hotel at Madison Avenue & 45th St.
Grand Ball Room
New York City, New York
Contact: Press Office,
NY State Democratic Party
212-725-8825, ext. 234 or Lisad@nysdems.org

by candace in sonoma on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:34:17 PM EST
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Re: Lots of east coast votes (none / 0)

You should contact Driving Votes for more info...
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by Reverend AlX on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 09:17:48 AM EST
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At-large members may live in MD & DC & VA (none / 0)

But that doesn't mean they are paticularly concerned or care about those state's politics.  They're consummate insiders who care about what goes on in DC (of the Hill and WH variety, not city hall) and just happen to have homes in that local.

In fact, I talked to a DNC member from MD who was complaining about how the at-large members had all the power (and more importantly got to chair all the powerful DNC committees).

by Lavoisier1794 on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 01:35:23 PM EST

Re: At-large members may live in MD (none / 0)

Right, good point, it's the actual residency of the At-Large member, and a lot of them just happen to be in MD.  The chart actually lessens the DC-centrism that occurs, as many of the DCites claim a residence in some other state still, but really reside in DC.
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 03:39:03 PM EST
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It's clear from the endorsements (none / 0)

This race is going to be between candidate Howard Dean (grassroots/populist) and candidate Martin Frost (insider/beltway favored/ABD).  

How much research has been done on Martin Frost, and what can be reitterated now?

Given the weighting of the votes in the map, plus the already assigned to insiders by reason of office in the states (my state - 1/2 the votes are to elected insiders- only three 'independent' votes), I think it is starting to look grim for Dean.  

I know from communicating to the independent members of my delegation that they are getting real pressure from the inside to go for Frost.  

They will cave to the pressure, unless some very public and very unfavorable information surfaces about Frost that forces the independent members to repudiate him, otherwise, he will win the Chair.

by NvDem on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:25:59 PM EST

Re: It's clear from the endorsements (none / 0)

Who is putting the pressure on them?
by bruh21 on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 03:06:34 PM EST
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Re: It's clear from the endorsements (none / 0)

Congressional and Senate leadership.  They're the well established gentry inside the beltway who have a real self interest in keeping control.
by NvDem on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:54:12 PM EST
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Re: It's clear from the endorsements (none / 0)

They seem like they would rather lose and stay in control of what little power they have than take a chance an actually regain real control. It's kind of sad.
by bruh21 on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 02:32:16 PM EST
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THAT'S STUPID! (none / 0)

Why does Michigan have as many as Texas? Why does Maryland have as many as New York? STUPID.
by raginillinoian on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 03:48:10 PM EST

Re: THAT'S STUPID! (none / 0)

Well, Michigan is the home of the ASDC Chair, does that help?
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 03:58:27 PM EST
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read the charter (none / 0)

The number of DNC members is determined equally by the size of the state's population and by the percentage democratic vote in the Presidential election.
by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:15:39 PM EST
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Re: read the charter (none / 0)

I have read it, thanks.
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:27:07 PM EST
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Re: read the charter (none / 0)

Sorry.  My post came off snotty.  I didn't mean it that way.  I meant the information was contained in the charter.
by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:44:59 PM EST
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Re: read the charter (none / 0)

And my post that you were first replying too was sarcastic.
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:21:39 PM EST
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Is there any question (none / 0)

...that the moves to disempower the chair don't have anything to do with the fact that Dean has at least a decent chance of winning at this date? (I don't know enough to know if such beaurocratic moves are positive or negative in their own right.)

Why do I get the feeling that the DLC and allies don't trust the people?

I try not to get disheartened by stuff like this. I try to remind myself that we're in the midst of a whole shake-up of the entire fabric of our society, as the new media paradigm exposes wizards behind curtains everywhere in media and politics. But damn if it's not sometimes an agonizing experience -- especially when I see an organization that I want to represent me move repeatedly over and over to simply protect its own power and funding.

Am I just too cynical?

(BTW, I've been reading and lurking here a long time, but this is my first posting here. Hello, everyone!)

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