A Multi-Polar World - The Financial Times Weighs In

Over a month ago, I posted a diary arguing that the Cold War-style American century was over and that the world is entering a new multi-polar era. Well, it seems the Financial Times might agree. Yesterday, London's FT published a raft of opinion pieces arguing this point, including a piece by Michael Lind that I will quote a length below and which also happened to appear in today's FT US edition. (Thanks to Steve Clemons) What exactly does this mean? Well, I'd suggest the following:

  1. the US is not considered the "leader of the free world" in any meaningful sense by anybody outside its borders
  2. Thus, the US no longer commands global hegemony - BUT, it is still the world's most powerful nation

I must say, I got this feeling when I was in the UK for several weeks over the Christmas holidays. Now, I grew up in the UK and used to go back a lot. However, for various reasons, I hadn't left the US in five years. What struck me on my return was not "anti-Americanism" but the relative invisibility of America and things American. For instance, the only major new American presence I could detect was a proliferation of Starbucks in London. The only other American brands that are in Britain are brands that were there when I was a kid: McDonalds, Coke, and maybe a couple of others.

Whats more, what surprised me was just how invisible the Iraq War was in the media. Simply, I think the Iraq War is not really something the British public feels it "owns" in the way I think it is something that the US public "owns." Basically, the Iraq War is regarded as an AMERICAN adventure in which the Brits are unfortunately involved. But it is not a BRITISH project. And this gets to the crux of what is happening in world geopolitics: American interests and its almost singular focus on the War on Terrorism and the Middle East are not, in a subtle but very fundamental way, considered even British interests. To say nothing of continental Europe, East Asia, Africa, Latin America, and so on. Now some American commentators may regard this as foolhardy, but I don't think this is necessarily so: nor, for that matter, do I think the US's singular focus is necessarily misguided. But what it suggests is that the "West" is no longer an operable concept, and I don't  think its coming back. Now, this doesn't mean the US and the EU are bound to be enemies, because I don't think this is the case at all (despite the ravings of some of the more fanatical neo-cons), because the two entities economic interests are to intertwined (hence, the value of trade as an antidote for global conflict).
 

See what Michael Lind, a thinker who I greatly respect (and a former neo-conservative) has to say (apologies to the FT, but I did by your paper today as a direct result of reading this article at Steve Clemons's Washington Note - reading the FT online requires that you subscribe):

In a second inaugural address tinged with evangelical zeal, George W. Bush declared: "Today, America speaks anew to the peoples of the world." The peoples of the world, however, do not seem to be listening. A new world order is indeed emerging - but its architecture is being drafted in Asia and Europe, at meetings to which Americans have not been invited.

Consider Asean Plus Three (APT), which unites the member countries of the Association of Southeast Asia Nations with China, Japan and South Korea. This group has the potential to be the world's largest trade bloc, dwarfing the European Union and North American Free Trade Association. The deepening ties of the APT member states represent a major diplomatic defeat for the US, which hoped to use the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation forum to limit the growth of Asian economic regionalism at American expense. In the same way, recent moves by South American countries to bolster an economic community represent a clear rejection of US aims to dominate a western-hemisphere free trade zone.

Consider, as well, the EU's rapid progress toward military independence. American protests failed to prevent the EU establishing its own military planning agency, independent of the Nato alliance (and thus of Washington). Europe is building up its own rapid reaction force. And despite US resistance, the EU is developing Galileo, its own satellite network, which will break the monopoly of the US global positioning satellite system.

The participation of China in Europe's Galileo project has alarmed the US military. But China shares an interest with other aspiring space powers in preventing American control of space for military and commercial uses. Even while collaborating with Europe on Galileo, China is partnering Brazil to launch satellites. And in an unprecedented move, China recently agreed to host Russian forces for joint Russo-Chinese military exercises.

The US is being sidelined even in the area that Mr Bush identified in last week's address as America's mission: the promotion of democracy and human rights. The EU has devoted far more resources to consolidating democracy in post-communist Europe than has the US. By contrast, under Mr Bush, the US hypocritically uses the promotion of democracy as the rationale for campaigns against states it opposes for strategic reasons. Washington denounces tyranny in Iran but tolerates it in Pakistan. In Iraq, the goal of democratisation was invoked only after the invasion, which was justified earlier by claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was collaborating with al-Qaeda.

Nor is American democracy a shining example to mankind. The present one-party rule in the US has been produced in part by the artificial redrawing of political districts to favour Republicans, reinforcing the domination of money in American politics. America's judges -- many of whom will be appointed by Mr Bush -- increasingly behave as partisan political activists in black robes. America's antiquated winner-take-all electoral system has been abandoned by most other democracies for more inclusive versions of proportional representation.

In other areas of global moral and institutional reform, the US today is a follower rather than a leader. Human rights? Europe has banned the death penalty and torture, while the US is a leading practitioner of execution. Under Mr Bush, the US has constructed an international military gulag in which the torture of suspects has frequently occurred. The international rule of law? For generations, promoting international law in collaboration with other nations was a US goal. But the neoconservatives who dominate Washington today mock the very idea of international law. The next US attorney general will be the White House counsel who scorned the Geneva Conventions as obsolete.

A decade ago, American triumphalists mocked those who argued that the world was becoming multipolar, rather than unipolar. Where was the evidence of balancing against the US, they asked. Today the evidence of foreign co-operation to reduce American primacy is everywhere -- from the increasing importance of regional trade blocs that exclude the US to international space projects and military exercises in which the US is conspicuous by its absence.

It is true that the US remains the only country capable of projecting military power throughout the world. But unipolarity in the military sphere, narrowly defined, is not preventing the rapid development of multipolarity in the geopolitical and economic arenas -- far from it. And the other great powers are content to let the US waste blood and treasure on its doomed attempt to recreate the post-first world war British imperium in the Middle East.

That the rest of the world is building institutions and alliances that shut out the US should come as no surprise. The view that American leaders can be trusted to use a monopoly of military and economic power for the good of humanity has never been widely shared outside of the US. The trend toward multipolarity has probably been accelerated by the truculent unilateralism of the Bush administration, whose motto seems to be that of the Hollywood mogul: "Include me out."

In recent memory, nothing could be done without the US. Today, however, practically all new international institution-building of any long-term importance in global diplomacy and trade occurs without American participation.

In 1998 Madeleine Albright, then US secretary of state, said of the U.S.: "We are the indispensable nation." By backfiring, the unilateralism of Mr Bush has proven her wrong. The US, it turns out, is a dispensable nation.

Europe, China, Russia, Latin America and other regions and nations are quietly taking measures whose effect if not sole purpose will be to cut America down to size.

Ironically, the US, having won the cold war, is adopting the strategy that led the Soviet Union to lose it: hoping that raw military power will be sufficient to intimidate other great powers alienated by its belligerence. To compound the irony, these other great powers are drafting the blueprints for new international institutions and alliances. That is what the US did during and after the second world war.

But that was a different America, led by wise and constructive statesmen like Dean Acheson, the secretary of state who wrote of being "present at the creation." The bullying approach of the Bush administration has ensured that the US will not be invited to take part in designing the international architecture of Europe and Asia in the 21st century. This time, the US is absent at the creation.




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Who will tell the media? (none / 0)

I couldn't agree more, but the broad American public only knows what the media allows them to know. With the complete failure of the RWCM to provide any coverage of foreign affairs outside the narrow scope of permissible U.S. doctrine, only a very few understand the vacuity or lack of international support for American foreign policy. Most conservative ditto heads probably think it's just great that foreign countries hold America in disdain. If the French don't like it, we must be doing something right, hey?
by Gary Boatwright on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:05:25 PM EST

To add: (none / 0)

This piece by Andrew Moravcsik from Newsweek International goes even further. Definetly worth reading.
by Ben P on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:49:48 PM EST

Polar Bears (none / 0)

Ah the myth of polarity. Polarity is a concept which has served it's time. Wrought out of the post Napoleonic world when a few European empires dominated the earth only to be replaced by a world-wide cold war which ultimately led to the United States standing as the only behemoth.

But while our economy was largely self-contained in 1945, now we are just as reliant on the international marketplace as were those colonial powers in 1913. The only difference--now our client states are not our colonies. Worse, as the insurgency flares in parts of the world it exposes us in the other.

The future portends not European multipolarity or Cold War esque bipolarity. The future is anarchy, where no one nation will have the ultimate power to settle economic or poltical disputes.

by risenmessiah on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:55:34 PM EST

Shouldn't the Democrats tell the Media? (none / 0)

This is the most articulate internationalist critique of Bush's Follies I have yet seen.  This is the line of logic that liberals / Democrats should be taking, instead of their current mush.  
by KBowe on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 09:07:11 PM EST

Re: Shouldn't the Democrats tell the Media? (3.00 / 1)

I'm not sure. I think this is the job of liberal pundits. The Dems have to worrry first and foremost about being credible defenders of the nation. The more esoteric stuff needs to be hammered away at from the edges. Left Wing Noise Machine Time, if you will. I'm just trying to do my small part.
by Ben P on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 09:13:59 PM EST
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This will take on a life of its own (none / 0)

and speak on its own behalf.

First, the economy is on the verge of Armageddon, or so says Morgan Stanley's Stephen Roach (http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=55356&format=text)

Secondly, the largest economies of the world are going to have to act in their own best interests -- which may not coincide with the best interests of the U.S.  They may nurse the U.S. along for a while, but at some point it no longer matters what happens to what used to be the largest economy in the world.(http://www.roubiniglobal.com/archives/2005/01/uschina_balance.html#comments)

Lastly, it may not be currency markets or trade imbalances that bring this issue to the forefront of America's consciousness.  It may happen when gasoline prices skyrocket, shortly after the U.S.'s largest supplier of gasoline contracts with other countries instead of the U.S. (http://allafrica.com/stories/200501180914.html)

If the sleeping rightists refuse to awaken, leave them.  And take care of yourselves.  You can bet the wealthiest on the right have already done the same, moving their dollar-denominated holdings into euros or Asian investments.

by RayneToday on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:57:05 PM EST

The british public are right, they DON'T own it. (none / 0)

Unlike OUR stupid public of brainwashed drones, the british public as a majority opposed the Iraq invasion from the beginning. So I credit them for being more informed and educated than average Americans. Blair pursued his poodleship to chimpy against his public's wishes.

Regarding the article...

1. It's irrelevent whether other nations consider America "leader of the free world". That's a title self-assigned by Americans. Nations DO see America as the leading world power and therefore beholden with certain responsibilities that come with that position.

Do you people really buy this "freedom" crap? It has always been just a handy catch phrase to mold public opinion in support of political strategic goals by those in power. If a policy every does promote freedom, it's only because it's a means to an end -- no country does anything for free. Only one thing can be assured: that it pursues its own interests at the expense of others.

2. The second point is oxymoronic. Power is measured in two primary ways: military and economic, the latter of which is becoming more and more important, and the equal of, the former. History has never witnessed such a disparity gap of measures of power that the US wields today in comparison to other nations. The US is the only nation in the world which can strike any other with land, air, and sea forces at will, or severely damage economies with crippling sanctions or through the use of institutions like the IMF, World Bank, WTO, etc, which it has great influence over.

The definition of "hegemony" is (dictionary.com):

"The predominant influence, as of a state, region, or group, over another or others."

The US is a hegemon. Anyone who claims otherwise is living a fantasy.

Sure the bipolar Cold War era is over -- that's been common knowledge since the berlin wall's fall marked the beginning of the USSR's collapse. We're now in a unipolar era where one country wields unrivaled power. It'll probably remain so until 2020 when China becomes America's economic equal.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:47:30 PM EST

Re: The british public are right, they DON'T own i (none / 0)

Not really my point. Sure, the US is still the world's only real superpower. Everyone has to deal with the US. But thats not the same thing as being a leader, or having a society that others want to imitate. The US is increasingly - with Bush at the helm in particular - seen as country to be dealt with, not followed. Read Andrew Moravcsik's piece in Newsweek International (not in Newsweek's US edition, mind you). Bush's freedom rhetoric is basically seen as a joke by everyone in the world. Good for domestic consumption, but Bush is performing in a play that most of the world has left.
by Ben P on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:08:23 AM EST
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Well I can agree with that. (none / 0)

But part of being a hegemon (unfortunately for us as the wiser minority) means that much of the time the rest of the world has to "just deal" with us.

It's the origin of frustration that is felt by the rest of the world as they watched our elections in 2004: probably the most significant event with the widest ramifications for all of the world's populations, and only American's get to vote in it. Kind of ironic when you think about it. There's a sense of powerlessness among other nations in the wake of our supremacy. It's no wonder why the resentment.

In the bipolar cold war era, minor nations learned to play the superpowers against each other, and in a sense had some influence in their regions. Today there is no such leverage.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:37:23 AM EST
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Re: Well I can agree with that. (none / 0)

Well, the way I view the 2004 US election - through foreign eyes - is that people were hoping the US would return to being more of a partner. I think the mood now has become one of - well, the US is off going crazy - now we're going to have to figure out to imagine a world in which the US is no longer a partner. So there was definetly anger in the wake of Iraq especially, then hope in the run-up to the 2004 election, now resignation that the world has changed.

But honestly - and this probably is a perspective colored by someone who has lived in both countries, but who has recently been very involved in US politics - when you go to the UK, the US's presence is just not something that is "there" - I mean people hardly pay the country any mind, which perhaps isn't surprising at all, but one can think the US matters living in this country a lot more to other countries - on a day-to-day basis - than it really does. (Of course, a nation like Iraq is a whole diff't story, for obvious reasons). This is the conceit of both American liberals and rightists - that this country is always being thought about, that it matters in a way it just doesn't.

by Ben P on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:51:37 AM EST
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Re: Well I can agree with that. (none / 0)

There was a time when American ideals and the values of the people helped restrain the dangerous and inevitable ambitions of those who acheive positions of great power.  Unfortunately, in an age where corporate-owned media is so powerful in the shaping of public opinion, those ideals and values are now more easily used as a tool for manipulating the masses in support of those dangerous ambitions.

9/11 really scared the American people, and having long been prepped by the media to believe that all we do is just and humanitarian -- "leader of the free world" as you say -- people looked at the world and asked: why do they hate us? And there was no conceivable answer. If the American people could have only understood the implications of many of our policies throughout the world for generations, they would have been able to link the "why" between 9/11 and our policies. I fault the media for not doing its job, for not having the moral courage to fulfill its responsibility to the people. So today we have a public that is on the defensive and feels at seige -- the perfect environment to realize the dangerous ideological ambitions of the neocons.

I feel that eventually, after many years when the consequences come to light and the American people get tired and begin to question "why" once again, these neocons will be swept from power as the American people realize they have been manipulated. It's just a damn shame so many innocent people will suffer for it in the meantime.

I disagree about the US not factoring high in UK affairs or public perception. Every UK website I go to, and I mean from anything like videogames to news, the blogs and message boards are heavy with mention of something American. Be it culture or politics, it's everywhere. Most of it not flattering either. I've been to the UK many times, and was even stationed there briefly when my unit used one of your bases for staging grounds for the Kosovo liberation.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 04:01:53 AM EST
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Re: Well I can agree with that. (none / 0)

Ben P., you have some sort of blinders on. I'm an American who has lived in London for the last nine years. When people ask me if I miss America, I say, "Miss it? How can I escape it?" Maybe outside of London nobody cares but with the proliferation of American tv shows, films and, to a lesser extent, music, I would find that hard to believe.

Major changes in US foreign policy are always reported on here; minor goings-on like Lynne Cheney feigning offense that someone called her lesbian daughter a lesbian, don't play here at all, nor does Swift boat stuff--those things would have to be part of a larger story. We don't get involved with the American psyche, things like Elio Gonzales or Scott Peterson or Kobe Bryant--we have our own tabloid type tales. (I can say "we" now because as of today, I'm a naturalised British subject! Nowadays people always ask me if miss Canada.)

But you can't escape American culture. There's too  much money behind it to make that an option.

by soneil on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 05:16:18 PM EST
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Re: The british public are right, they DON'T own i (none / 0)

If I take your initial point correctly, I would agree that the British public are far better informed about the situation in Iraq and current events in general.

I'm not sure where Ben P. gets this idea that the Iraq war is somehow invisible in the UK media--not by a long shot. Radio and television news broadcasts are full of up to the minute reports about Iraq; rarely, if ever, is the war out of the print headlines--most UK newspapers are leading the coverage, far ahead of their American counterparts.

In addition, many factual programmes about the war are featured in the UK broadcasting schedules regularly; we've even got a weekly factual series here now on BBC1 called Soldier, Husband, Daughter, Dad that follows military families in Iraq. The other night BBC4 broadcast The Liberace of Baghdad, a 90-minute documentary about the situation in Iraq from the p.o.v. of a man who, before the occupation, was one of the country's most popular entertainers--this was the second film on Iraq by Sean McAllister that has aired in the last six months.

If anything, the British public feel somewhat resigned to the outcome since their concerns have been completely ignored by their government and fantasist Prime Minister (The Accidental American, as a recent book called him). But our interest hasn't wanned. Even tonight, Channel 4 is presenting the broadcast premiere of Fahrenheit 9/11 on terrestial television, not pay tv.

These issues and the war are not invisible in the UK.

by soneil on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 05:00:35 PM EST
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changing the equations (none / 0)

Beyond party and ideological affiliation, during the campaign it was almost a rule: if a person had been out of the U.S. in the past 2 years, they were Kerry voters.

These posts are very interesting in filling in the current situation, from personal observation and info in the press.  The equations are changing, even within North America. Bush apparently made some remarks to Canadian officials to the effect that Canada might not be able to count on American military protection if it kept opposing U.S. policies.  And who is the U.S. protecting Canada against exactly?

It's probably true the first area where these new alignments will show up in in world finance.  But politically, the rest of the industralized world is pretty sick of having their futures destroyed by U.S. stupidity on the climate crisis.  That can't be addressed without the U.S., but I'll bet it's crossed some minds that power may have to be brought to bear to force some sense into U.S. policy.  It could be quite rude.
         

by dash on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:53:55 AM EST

View from London (none / 0)

I am rather surprised by your suggestion that the British public pay little attention to the US at the moment.  That's complete nonsense - our media is obsessed by all things American.  For example, November's elections received saturation coverage here, in contrast to the lesser coverage given in continental Europe.  And just yesterday, the media were jumping with delight at the fact some drab Brish film received three Academy nominations (and I have to say this pathetic desire to be recognised by a bunch of idiots in LA makes me want to puke).  

Anyway, the point is that I think British people are just as wrapped up with America as ever, but recognise that a distinction can and should be drawn between the American people in general(who they love), and the crooked administration currently running the show.  They know that this lot will be gone in four years max - and some in two years we hope - and are biding their time til then.  The key thing about Iraq is that we haven't had anything like the same numbers of casualties as the US - if we did, Blair would be history by now.

by Nick Brit on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 05:50:53 AM EST

Re: View from London (none / 0)

Good point. I overstate or misstate. I think the point I am trying to make is that the British media has a considerably different set of lenses than the US media. As does the British public. Its not that the US doesn't exist in the British consciousness, its that the British worldview  I find to be considerably different than that found in the US. Which, again, I guess should come as no surprise really, but it did strike me somewhat on my recent visit. Britain maybe an ally - indeed it is an ally, no matter what damage Bushco may do - but it is not the same or even especially similar to the US in the way the society functions and interprets the world on a day to day basis.
by Ben P on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:28:49 PM EST
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France agrees (none / 0)

It looks like France is onboard with the multi-polar idea.  That's one of the reasons they would like to see the arms embargo lifted on China.

This was in a recent issue of The Economist .

For the French, wider ideological issues come into play. Mr Chirac is the strongest proponent of replacing American hegemony with a "multipolar world". On a visit to Beijing last October he declared that France and China shared "a common vision of the world--a multipolar world." David Shambaugh, a Sinologist at the Brookings Institution in Washington, argues that China and the EU represent "an emerging.

-mtfriend
www.pacdaily.com
The Pacific Daily
by mtfriend on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 01:47:02 PM EST

Re: France agrees (none / 0)

Sorry, but it looks like the quote in my original comment got cut off.  Here it is in its entirety.

For the French, wider ideological issues come into play. Mr Chirac is the strongest proponent of replacing American hegemony with a "multipolar world". On a visit to Beijing last October he declared that France and China shared "a common vision of the world--a multipolar world." David Shambaugh, a Sinologist at the Brookings Institution in Washington, argues that China and the EU represent "an emerging axis", based on the fact that "China and Europe share a convergence of views about the United States, its foreign policy and its global behaviour."

-mtfriend
www.pacdaily.com
The Pacific Daily
by mtfriend on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:01:37 PM EST
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Adopting the USSR's Cold War strategy (none / 0)

Wow! What a great line:

"Ironically, the US, having won the cold war, is adopting the strategy that led the Soviet Union to lose it: hoping that raw military power will be sufficient to intimidate other great powers alienated by its belligerence."

And, like the USSR, we are spending our country into almost certain disaster to maintain and exercise that raw military power.

by TrainWreck on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 03:22:00 PM EST

U.S. is also irrelevant on gay rights worldwide (none / 0)

As a middle-aged gay American, I was pleased to read, just one week after November 2, that the British Parliament passed its "Civil Partnerships" bill granting gay Brit couples all the legal rights of marriage (minus the use of the "M" word itself). Then a month later, I read how gays celebrated in New Zealand as their Parliament did the same. These two countries are just the latest among some 20 others that grant gay couples some level of legal parity with straights. And with Canada and Spain poised to legalize same-sex marriage, the move abroad toward equality seems to be accelerating.

And what strikes me is how alone the U.S. has become on this issue. Caught up in the throws of one more antigay bashlash, America has become the example that no other country wants to follow. Recently, I read a quote from a spokesman for a gay rights group in Australia. Citing the current status of gay couples there and the progress being made in neighboring New Zealand, he said that, "Among western democracies, Australia has arguably the worst record on gay rights--except for the United States."

It's kinda sad when gays in other parts of the world now consider America as the bottom of the barrel.

by old queer on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 04:12:23 PM EST

Re: U.S. is also irrelevant on gay rights worldwid (none / 0)

As a gay American who immigrated to the UK years ago to be with my British partner, I can tell you the US is way behind on gay rights. That's what makes Bush's proclamations about spreading freedom and democracy so galling--who wants American style democracy? No one, we're doing fine without it.

The only opposition to the UK civil unions bill was that it wasn't inclusive enough--heterosexuals want in on the civil union action too, as an alternative to marriage. Siblings who do not marry and co-habitate together felt they should be included as well. I think the bill should be as inclusive as possible.

Incidentally, since 1997, British immigration law has acknowledged unmarried same sex partners in a concession made by the Labour gov't (one of the best things they ever did). I changed my status years ago to unmarried partner of a British subject (previously it was as a writer) and have since settled under that status and, as of today, am a naturalised subject with a dual nationality. There is nothing in American immigration law that recognises same sex partners. Not even for cartoon characters.

by soneil on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 05:26:09 PM EST
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Changes such as these occur slowly... (none / 0)

What an incredible article.  Changes like these occur slowly, but once in motion take on a life of their own.  

The seeds of distruction of the Soviet Empire were sown years (if not tens of years) before the Berlin wall crumbled by a backward authoritarian regime. (Sound familiar?)

Unfortunately, our political system tends to react to what's happening today and few have the foresight to take a long term view (unless it involves privatizing social security :))

Neocons, or should we say Neo-Neanderthals, are digging us into a deep hole, but I have confidence that the American people will soon wake up and stop the bleeding...

by pkelly on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:23:28 PM EST

Re: Changes such as these occur slowly... (none / 0)

Oh, I don't think the US is going to implode like the USSR. I think what you will see happen will be much more like what happened to Britain - which, as it turned out, was a pretty good outcome, at least after a century or so.
by Ben P on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:34:20 PM EST
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Re: Changes such as these occur slowly... (none / 0)

Agreed.  I didn't mean for the Soviet example to be taken literally and that we would repeat it exactly.  My point was that the Soviet Union was still regarded as a superpower well past the point at which they truly were a threat (beyond the nuke thing).

If the Bush policies continue unchecked, our status as the worlds only superpower could be increasingly illusory and could quickly reverse.  This does not mean that the US would dissolve, though there is that red state/blue state thing...:)

by pkelly on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 09:22:07 PM EST
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