Bush Approval Rating Collapsing

A few days ago, The Last of the Bush Balls mused about the Democrats causing a Bush fumble over his attack on Social Security. Reading Josh Marshall today, it seems entirely possible. Now (via DU's blog) look at this. Rasmussen shows Bush's approval rating collapsing over the past week:
	Approval   Disapproval
Jan 23     44          54
Jan 22     43          55
Jan 21     44          54
Jan 20     44          54
Jan 19     46          52
Jan 18     48          50
Jan 17     48          50
The White House is in damage control mode, as they have now figured out that the "4 more wars" speech by Bush fell flat, and their efforts to change wording midway through the debate on Social Security placing them on the defensive. Anyway, with numbers like those, Bush has not one iota of capital, and many Republicans in Congress seem anxious to distance themselves from Bush's privatization plans for Social Security. Democrats have a foothold, a good grip, and now it's time for us to tackle Bush.



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So much for the mandate [n/t] (none / 0)


by punishinglemur on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 03:09:10 PM EST

Re: So much for the mandate [n/t] (none / 0)

Mandate? in the USA? This is the land of "what have you done for me lately."
by cmahnken on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 02:37:33 AM EST
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Poor Bush (none / 0)

SS "reform" was supposed to grease the political skids for sweeping tax reform next year (e.g. elimination of all tax on capital gains and dividends, repeal of state income tax deduction, national sales tax).

Aint gonna happen.

Looks like he'll have to start another war to jump-start his popularity.

by coldeye on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 03:13:09 PM EST

I find it hard to feel cheered by this (none / 0)

Bush always governs the same way, whether his popularity is below 50 percent or above 70 percent. The GOP Congress is no more likely to investigate Bushco scandals or oppose most of his agenda now. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets his Wall Street buddies to call their Republican friends and ram Social Security reform through Congress.

Plus, Bush will still get all the judges he wants for the next four years, no matter how unpopular he is. With that much control over the federal judiciary, we'll be screwed for decades. Bush appointees make many of Reagan's appointees look like liberals.

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by desmoinesdem on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 03:38:10 PM EST

Re: I find it hard to feel cheered by this (none / 0)

I don't necessarily buy that argument. Can you point out when it's been below 45 before?  At this point, nearer to the 30's than the 50's, things get dicey.
by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 04:00:13 PM EST
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Re: I find it hard to feel cheered by this (none / 0)

plus Bush is the face and the voice of the Republican Party--I want our congressional candidates in '06 to be able to run against Republicans who are forced to defend all of Bush's unpopular actions
by benchcoat on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 05:59:42 PM EST
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Cheer Up! (none / 0)

Hey, DesMoinesDem. Greetings from the Twin Cities. Don't worry--no Iowa jokes. I was raised in Chicago and I'm not really a Gopher at heart.

Anyway, I think there are resons to be very thankful about what is happening.

A. Had Bush killed S S then the whole ball game would be over. The Dem. Party would be utterly lost if it couldn't defend S S. And the triumphalist Neo Cons would be about 65% of the way to their dismantling of democracy as we know it.

Actually, the response of Dem leaders was nervous and uninspired. Thank God that the American people aren't yet willing to accept the death of S S.

But of course the people are 1 thing and the Rep. legislature is another. Here is your concern: "The GOP Congress is no more likely to investigate Bushco scandals or oppose most of his agenda now. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets his Wall Street buddies to call their Republican friends and ram Social Security reform through Congress."

This point raises the really good news:

B. The Rep. legislature refused to follow Bush over the cliff on this one.

ALREADY that is a major difference from the past. When you say that the GOP HAS given Bush what he wants, you are of course historically correct. But then that's the point--THIS TIME THEY DIDN'T!

Why? COnsider this:

C. Bush is a Lame Duck. Of course, every 2nd term Pres. is a lame duck the minute the opponent concedes. But the lameness is a progression over time. Around Inauguration Day, the re-elected guy may not seem seem too lame, but by the end of the mid-term elections, he really doesn't have a lot of clout left.

Now here's the million dollar question with any 2nd term Pres.: how fast does the lameness show? The speed of onset is a big variable, and it determines what a 2nd term Pres. can do and not do.

Think of the Republican Party. How do they view Bush? Well, he kept the W H for them. Goody. And his scare tactics did get them some gains in the legislature. But Bush will never run for office again. He cannot personally win any office for them. Bush as a candidate is so over for them.

The next political event they care about is clear: the mid-term elections. The real question they have of Bush right now is simple: will you hurt us or help us in Nov. 2006?

And the answer to THAT question hinges on whether he learns to moderate himself or whether he keeps screwing up. Many of these guys know how precarious things are right now. They know that Bush has hung Iraq around the neck of the elephant along with numerous other time bombs, many of them economic.

These guys know that if Bush goes Ape Man and tilts at some impossible mill like S S, he can pull the Republican legislature down in 18 months. Understand this: they will NOT permit him to do that. He has nothing left--he can't run again. If his leadership goes off a cliff, they will quietly pull back and take another road.

So they watch the polls. And they know that Bush's great mandates have no support. Which means that following Bush into Man Date Land will hurt them in 2006.

Which means that their support for Bush from here on out, unlike before, CONDITIONAL! And we are already seeing that they are going to back away when they feel the need to do so.

All of which means that ...

E. BUSH CAN DO LESS DAMAGE IF HE BLOWS HIS FIRST COUPOLE OF MOVES!

The faster Bush's lameness announces itself, the less damage Bush can do.

Had Bush started slowly and done some doable things, he MIGHT have been able to build up some political capital and made a stronger power play in, say, early 2007. Fortunately, Bush is one of the most incompetent politicians in history and he just poured about 78% of his re-election capital down the crapper.

And this leads me to breathe ... just a little.

It is my profound belief that we are in a race. Democracy has to survive long enough for this Republican play for hegemony to collapse. If democracy lasts long enough, that collapse is inevitable. You can't ask poor evengelicals to ignore their poverty and lack of health care forever.

My huge concern was ALWAYS about that race. I figured that it was probably 1-2 years early to break through the Republican Matrix with realities like Iraq and evaporating health care. But I was terrified by the damage Bush could do in those next 2-3 years.

Well, I am not without concerns. But I am breathing a bit. S S is weakening Bush and reducing the damage he can do. And consider this issue:

Iran! Bush, the emotional 12 year old, has no patience, no sense of timing. He wins the election and his first, ridiculously immature impulse is to make a pair of petulant demands: kill S S and invade Iran. Like the moron he is, he trots the stuff out there before the inauguration!

Well, S S is collapsing, and I personally want toi see him try to build support for action against Iran. I want to SEE him send Condi out there to convince the world and America to multiply Iraq times 5! Hell, even Tony Blair will bail on his ass.

We have to remember that politics is always about growing or dying. Bush is getting stronger or he is getting weaker. There is no in between in politics.

If S S fades away (and I am NOT counting on that yet) and his awkward trial baloons on Iran are made of lead, then that means Bush and the Republican Party are weaknening. Which leads to your last concern:

F. The judgships.

Baby, those will be battles.

But understand this. Those battles would have been far, far harder to win had Bush gotten an anti-S S wave going! As it stands, we now have a chance.

Bush SHOULD have focused on the judgships. He never should have messed with S S. He should have proposed some innocuous cabinet members (not Condi Rice Pudding and Gonzo Gonzalez), stripped everything else off the table, and taken on the Dems over the judg ships.

As it is, he has already weakened himself, gotten his way with ridiculous cabinet choices, and ... (drum roll) ...

CREATED DISTANCE BETWEEN HIMSELF AND THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS!

That is astonishingly stupid before the judge fight.

Remember, there ARE moderate Republicans who are very leery of Bush. Arlen Spector, Chairman of the Juciary Committee, is one of them.

If Bush seems weakened and Movement Rethugs distance themselves from Bush on S S and perhaps another war, then it will be EASIER for Spector and Chaffee and Snow to be influential in the selection of less onerous choices for judge.

OK, time to stop. I am not promising nirvana here. I am not even assuming we have "won" on S S. We have a long way to go on that.

I am saying that the straws in the wind are, for the first time since those damn polls didn't move in late Oct., (Ruy, you PROMISED they would break!) showing a bit of a shift in the wind. Maybe the smoke from Mordor is beginning to lift a bit. Maybe, as I think Churchill had it once, it isn't the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning. Or something.

I dunno what the Dems can do, though my hope is with the grass roots, not the suits.

But I do know that every failed Republican bid for power is a wonderful, wonderful thing to be treasured!

by Thresholder on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 04:29:39 PM EST
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Re: Cheer Up! (none / 0)

Great post, thanks!

I share your concern that we not count the egg Bush laid on SS as hatched, yet! Our work making sure there is plenty of current in the third rail is not yet done.

by Bruce The Moose on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 12:26:13 AM EST
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Time for another war. (none / 0)

Watch out Iran.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Denis Diderot
by Stoic on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 03:42:30 PM EST

Either a war or an attack on US (none / 0)

Karl Rove surely understands that Bush's popularity is directly proportional to our fear.  It's possible that the color coded terror alert system is used up as a fear inducer, so we may be in the worst danger of a serious terrorist attack that we have ever faced.  I have to wonder if the Bushies would lift a finger to stop such an attack.  This makes better political sense than an invasion of Iran - we might well lose another Bush war if we invade, and that doesn't help his popularity at all.
by Sacramentohop on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 04:24:28 PM EST

Re: Either a war or an attack on US (none / 0)

How easy would it be for the Evil Empire to stage some type of attack here in the US to get everything they really want. Which happens to not be privatizing SS. Wake up sheeple, the Evil Empire's goal is to eliminate social programs. It was announced yesterday the Evil Empire will be cutting $100 billion from Medicaid and Medicare over the next 10 years. These cuts will hurt poor children and elderly Americans. Don't think for a second they didn't know how they could use 9/11 to their advantage prior to it happening. It is just a matter of time until it happens again.    
by sooperedd on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 06:09:56 PM EST
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Offense, Offense, Offense (none / 0)

Why we haven't been on offense more prior to this is beyond me.

Maybe Kerry losing is going to turn into the true shake up the party needs.

There has to be a positive in here somewhere!!

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 04:47:56 PM EST

Like a boxer ..press the attack use our noise (none / 0)

machine we should not let them take a breath

if they do they put on the old teflon suit

again and again...our noise machine is

growing...visualize ali putting away the

brawler george foreman...now is the time

float like a butterfly and sting like a bee!

by Aslanspal on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 04:50:15 PM EST

rasmussen polls in a different way (none / 0)

rasmussen polls the general public and says that if he polled likely voters the number would be 2 or 3 points higher. most other polls show him still close to 50%. it appears  his inauguration speech scared  the heck out of people.
people decided they didn`t want kerry and now regret what they did ,i guess.if this keeps up he won`t get anything through congress.
by temple1954 on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 05:12:57 PM EST

Re: rasmussen polls in a different way (none / 0)

Not so, is it?  I looked over their numbers, and they correlate with those from the 18th or so, same close to 50%. True though, we've not seen confirmation from other polls, but watching how defensive the Bush Admin. got over his speech, I think it's true that they just took 5-10% on the chin.
by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 06:27:59 PM EST
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Call for impeachment (none / 0)

Time for dems in congress to start calling for impeachment.  They'll be accused of not 'supporting the president' but who cares.

I agree: offense, offense, offense...

by pkelly on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 06:28:28 PM EST

Screw the nuclear option (none / 0)

Forget impeachment, that is just a wet dream and puts us in the South American coup business. That's not "offense", that's trampling on the Consitution. Jeez look up "democracy" and "representative government" in the dictionary.

And pal while you're at it take a math lesson. They have the narrow majority, we don't. You don't get anywhere with this one. Take back the House in 2006, take back the Senate and White House in 2008, but talking about impeachment in the near run is simply stupid. We don't have the numbers, and even if we did we would be lowering ourselves to Myanmar levels.

Only an idiot or a troll would be advising this course right now. We are on the verge of making Bush choke on Social Security and you are advocating a Trotskyite Hail Mary pass. Sober up and have a couple cups of coffee. This isn't Belarus.

by Bruce Webb on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 07:43:02 PM EST
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Re: Screw the nuclear option (none / 0)

Bruce,

I think you are still stuck in majority mode.  Social Security will be forgotten (or spun) in 2 years, much less 4.  Maybe you should get a calendar...

Regarding impeachment, I think you jumped the gun.  I wasn't advocating that impeachment would happen, just that we call for it.  This would fire up the base at minimum and at best help make Bush a non-event.

Also, you may want to ask Grey Davis about being in the 'majority'.  Wonder how many people will support Bush when his ratings plummet to sub-30%...

If you need additional lessons on this, let me know.  I'd be glad to tutor...

Pat

by pkelly on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 06:07:58 PM EST
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The problem is (none / 0)


that these people truly don't care about approval ratings. They just do what they're planning to do, and chalk it up to "conviction". If we the opposition can't exhibit similar conviction, then we will still lose elections.

I expect that BooshCo is going to invade Iran and find WMD, because they do in fact exist there. And they will time it to maximize their gains in the '06 elections. And the dems are acting like SS is the only battle out there.

by spandrel on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 07:49:38 PM EST

Re: The problem is (none / 0)

They might try to invade Iran, but what are they going to do with Iraq.  Things look pretty bad there.  Unless the elections go perfectly are we going to be able to withdraw any time soon.  Our army is ill supplied.  Equipment is breaking down.  I read that it will take at least two years to resupply.  Recruitment is down.

Iraq was suppose to be low hanging fruit.  Iran has about 100 million people who are intensely nationalistic.  They have not suffered under sanctions like Iraq did.  What kind of coallition will be able to build this time.  The "willing" are dropping like flies.  Alot of countries have business dealings with Iran.  We would really have to bribe other countries to help.

  MKC

by Deja Vu on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 10:20:58 PM EST
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Aren't were forgetting the electronic vote?! (none / 0)

Afer all, in some precincts, Bush polled more than 105% of the electronic vote.

Geez!  How can such a defining minority be so overlooked!?

by jcjcjc on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 10:44:03 PM EST

Re: Aren't were forgetting the electronic vote?! (none / 0)

That just shows  how efficient the GOP GOTV effort was.  It gives a good goal to shoot for I guess.
by Sacramentohop on Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 11:49:13 PM EST
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Re: Aren't were forgetting the electronic vote?! (none / 0)

Actually, I've tried at times to make the argument that it proves they have a better organization.

After all, it still takes a good organization to plan and execute the electronic voter strategy.  

Somebody still has to get 50 or so guys to go out and pull the RAM and the HD out of all those machines during election day.

Somebody still has to do the "a vote for Kerry equals a vote for Bush" coding.

And just consider fixing all the unchecked buffer overflows entailed by tallying all those "extra" votes Bush got!  Geez.

by jcjcjc on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 12:09:36 AM EST
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re: (none / 0)

A week snapshot of approval ratings really isn't anything to celebrate over. Particularly since chimpy was just re-inaugurated last week for another four years.

Let's just hope in 2007 his ratings are so bad he pretty much damages any RNC dreams to field Jeb and perhaps the bad karma even spills over onto Guiliani and McCain for supporting him in 2004.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 09:25:13 AM EST

Great post... (none / 0)

I just can't let myself get too excited.  But I sure hope your analysis is correct.  Logically, it makes sense.  But nothing about GWB has made any sense.  So we need to keep up the fight.

Grandma Jo

by JWC on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 04:32:34 PM EST


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