CA Redistricting

Daniel Weintraub, Sacramento Bee's blogger and columnist points us to the Schwarzenegger backed redistricting plan. My initial reactions was to agree with Kevin Drum's point that we should support non-partisan redistricting once the Republicans start redistricting in Texas, Florida, and Ohio. California's last redistricting effort was not a gerrymander to maximize Democratic seats in Congress but as anyone in California will be more than happy to tell you, it was a bipartisan handshake to save the status quo, and protect incumbents. After an initial read of the plan I'm cautiously optimistic with hints of partisan joy.

I'll post more when I finish looking at some numbers from the previous redistericting effort broken down by congressional districts, but while I've lived in California for most of my pre-political life, I know little about actual Democratic Performance in the Golden State, besides the general huge swaths of Democrats in the Los Angeles and San Francisco basins and Democratic performance in San Diego. Thus this is going to be an informative post, and I'll post some of the numbers I have as well as additional thoughts in a day or two.

Here's a quick rundown of the bill being proposed.

A three-member panel of retired judges reviews plans brought forth by any member of the legislature or citizen in California. The state will be redistricted once, assuming that the plan is passed before 2006, and then again after the next census.

The criteria for drawing the districts are as follows, with interesting points bolded by me.

(c) Every district shall be contiguous and as compact as practicable. With respect to compactness, to the extent practicable a contiguous area of population shall not be bypassed to incorporate an area of population more distant.

(e) District boundaries shall conform to existing geographic boundaries of a county, city, or city and county, and shall preserve identifiable communities of interest to the greatest extent possible. A redistricting plan shall not cross any common county boundary more than once and shall create the most whole counties and the fewest county fragments possible, except as necessary to comply with the requirements of any other subdivision of this section.

(f) Consideration shall not be given as to the potential effects on incumbents or political parties. Data regarding party affiliation or the voting history of electors shall not be used in the preparation of plans.

(g) To the extent possible, district boundaries shall be drawn to ensure a level of competitiveness that would result in a difference of no more than seven percentage points between the number of voters in each district who are registered with the two largest political parties in the State.

Here's some quick thoughts. I'm not sure how one maintains contiguous areas and also guarantees districts that are competitive to within plus or minus 3.5%, especially within and outside the Los Angeles and San Francisco basins. In a place like Arizona, Colorado or Iowa where Congressional districts contain many counties or cities section c and e, some like good pretexts, but I'm not sure how they actually pan out in large urban areas.

What bothers me about the bill is that lays out it's performance criteria "to the extent possible." If section g, regarding competitive districts overrides the other portions of the bill this seems like something everyone should be jumping behind. It would assumingly water down many high performing Democratic and Republican districts, and I suspect that we would have a fighting chance to pick up some seats in California. On the other hand if it's an attempt to isolate urban Democratic areas and strenghten Republican Congressional districts through the rest of the state count this as a non-starter for serious reform and something we should seriously fight.

If you have any direct knowledge about the issue or general performance numbers or know of an interesting source, feel free to email me or leave a comment for the community.



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why have single member districts? (none / 0)

Why not create ten districts with five or six reps a piece and have multi-party democracy?
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:08:04 PM EST

Re: why have single member districts? (none / 0)

I'm not opposed to it, though I don't know and haven't thought about all the ramifications, and I'm pretty sure the Arnold wouldn't issue it. Though I do know that in multiple candidate races, let's say a county where you are given so many choices in and get three votes, there's a base for party performance followed by sizeable, but not enormous chunk of people who choose based on personality or a candidate they like. Part of that is the party may focus it's money on running a slate of candidates. So in heavily Democratic counties you're pretty much going to get mostly Democrats elected in those circumstances. Though, I could imagine in a heavily liberal or conservative area, you might be able to have a 3rd party candidate eek out one of those seats. So you may be able to elect one green county Congressional candidate in San Fran. That's all an uneducated off topic thought.
by Kombiz Lavasany on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:41:06 PM EST
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Re: why have single member districts? (none / 0)

Great idea Carl, and I support it. One problem. Federal law requires single member districts for U.S. House seats. Until that is changed, multi-member districts are possible only at the state level.
by mysteve on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:12:33 AM EST
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Re: why have single member districts? (none / 0)

What federal law requires single member districts?

And does it pre-empt state law on the issue?

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 02:26:25 PM EST
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Redistricting is a major problem (none / 0)

For Democrats especially but for the sake of our Democracy in general. How can we be truely represented when politicans can game the system to the extent that they know the outcomes of any given proposed district? How come politicans get to pick their voters but the voters don't truely get to choose who represents them?

I like the general idea of this proposal, but you are right that in a state like CA with highly partisan urban areas, it will be hard to make districts 53.5% Democratic/GOP. But that is something where the courts will interpret a poorly crafted purposal. It is a shame that all this always has to go to the voters because the legislature is so powerless and self-interested.

by DaveB on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:15:02 PM EST

Competitiveness Requirement = Finance Drain (none / 0)

My gut reaction to the "competitiveness" requirement is that it would redirect a large share of the funding given to the national party, 527s, and races in competitive districts in other states (i.e. Dean Dozens, Ginny Schraeder, etc etc) back into local races. If people in LA or SF could never be reasonably sure that their House representative was safe, the dollars would go to local reps instead of races in other parts of the country.

This could be bad or good depending on how you look at it, though I'd guess it would be a short-term negative for the influence of the left-leaning blogosphere (and others recently activated and highly informed about races across the country). It may also re-localize Hollywood and Silicon Valley dollars. (Are there any heavy-republican donor groups in the state?)

by matt w on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:46:04 PM EST
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Re: Competitiveness Requirement = Finance Drain (none / 0)

Yes, there's a lot of dollars in California for Republicans. It would definitely keep some of the red dollars in places like Orange County, and compettive districts there would put really strain the alliance between the arch-conservative Republican party in Orange County, and the fiscal conservative, social moderate to liberal Republicans who would choose a Democrat over a Bob Dornan type of Republican.
by Kombiz Lavasany on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:56:19 PM EST
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(g) seems like an awful idea, (none / 0)

especially if drawing "competitive districts" is allowed to override any of the other concerns, especially drawing districts without respect to party affiliation.

This is a preposterous measure, and not just because it would make it easier for Reeps in a blue state. It's just bipartisan entrenchment by other means, couched in terms that make it sound progressive.

Nonpartisan means "not partisan," not "set up so each of the two major parties has a chance at winning."

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:41:46 PM EST

Re: (g) seems like an awful idea, (none / 0)

I actually wouldn't be opposed to actual competitive districts in California in regards to election reform. It's just it's hard for me to figure out what (g) is really saying. In California it would be difficult to reconcile (g) with compactness needs, whcih are the other stated desires in the bill. I have a couple of emails out, hoping to get a fuller answer to the question. I suspect in the end, though I'm speaking out of my ass here, the above goals would have little impact on the Congressional makeup (53 Seats) or even in the State Senate (only 40 Seats), and would only really dilute the Democratic majority in the state Assembly (80 Seats), and give Arnold a mandate next term when he helps recruit and run against assembly candidates. Though again, it's a thought, and while I may be able to grasp Congressional makeup I sure as hell wouldn't be able to figure out what would happen to the assembly, only someone with the software and a deep knowledge of the state could figure that out.
by Kombiz Lavasany on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:53:18 PM EST
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CA political strategist's opinion (none / 0)

My brother works in the CA legistature, so I asked him what the scuttlebutt about this was in Sacto and  he said that it has the potential to give the Dems 4-5 seats, but that the plan to actually do the redistricting was totally unworkable.  Something about senile retired judges drawing the lines.
by Jefe Le Gran on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:57:25 PM EST

I think (g) is the least important (none / 0)

I think the other parts of redistricting legislation is more important and competiveness should be a biproduct of fair districts.
Councilman Bill Painter
by Painter2004 on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 08:05:53 PM EST

Interesting (none / 0)

Two comments:

In a state with CA's political make-up, the only way g) is mathematically possible would be to gerrymander the state to give all 53 districts to democrats.

In a state like Ohio, c) could be used to isolate the liberal vote into a few urban districts.  However, in LA and particularly in SF the liberal vote has considerable (overwhelming) spillover into the suburbs.  I'd say the knife will cut both ways, and c) will isolate the rural vote as much as the urban vote.  (as others have noted this is completely inconsistent with g)  My point is that c) could be dangerous in a state where the rural and urban populations are comparable.

by BBigJ on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 09:47:22 PM EST

You are wrong (none / 0)

There are many very Republican areas in California-in fact, geographically, there are more of them than Democratic ones-it's just the Democratic ones are the cities (like the rest of the freaking country) and therefore have more people in them.

An example of this, look at this map of 2000 and 2004 presidential races:

http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/pres/mapComp.htm

Note that several rural counties voted for Bush both times by over 60%, and that one rural county voted for Bush both times by exactly 72% each time (top right hand corner, no I don't know the name of it, nor do I care to look it up :-P).

Besides, (g) has the words "To the extent possible" to begin with, meaning than (c) is more important than (g), so, if you can't do both, (g) is not done.

Of course, as Daniel Weintraub notes, (f) is 100% contradictory of (g).  (f) says you can't use politcal party data, (g) says you should use political party data.  Who came up with this tripe?

And that's not the worst of it.

The worst of it is they pick three retired judges completely at random.  If the panel was larger (say, nine) I wouldn't worry about it, but what happens if you get a drooling Alzheimer's patient, Roy Moore, and Clarence Thomas?  Yeah, exactly.

by Geotpf on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 12:43:08 AM EST
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Wait, I reread your comment again (none / 0)

I misunderstood.

You are right-in parts Northern California, crafting non-liberal districts would be neigh impossible (and in the area I specified (those rural counties with massive Bush support), the opposite would probably be true, too.  But since (g) is clearly of a lower priority than the rest, compactness would win out.

by Geotpf on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 12:55:22 AM EST
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Three judges (none / 0)

does seem inadequate. In Iowa redistricting is done by a non-partisan Legislative Service Bureau that has a sterling reputation. They only have four criteria. Over the years a bi-partisan consensus has emerged in favor of a fair non-partisan, let the chips fall where they may process. If either party tried anything to rig the process the voters and substantial numbers of both parties would object.

I don't know if there are other states with simliar non-partisan redistricting plans, but I suspect Iowa is the gold standard for fair redistricting.

by Gary Boatwright on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 01:12:41 AM EST
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g and f (none / 0)

I feel really stupid posting this, but isn't it g and f that are in conflict?  I mean, how can they be sure that the districts won't be more than 7% different in terms of party affiliation unless they're looking at "data regarding party affiliation"?

Also, how are they going to define "communities of interest"?  As I tell my classes, one perfectly legitimate way to define a community of interest is that two communities vote the same way.  In fact, it's probably better than most other measures.  

For example, in Chicago, the African-American communities on the South and West Sides differ dramatically on many SES measures.  They share in common their race and party affiliation, but on other measures (education; size of church attended; income), they are very different communities.

by rayspace on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 12:43:58 AM EST

Communities of interest (none / 0)

(g) and (f) are clearly contradictory.  This proposed law is a mess.

As for "Communities of interest", I suspect they mean unincorporated areas that nonetheless have a name and an identity.  That is, towns that have no local government themselves.

by Geotpf on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 12:59:14 AM EST
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Re: g and f (none / 0)

There are several other ways to get performance ratings besides registration. Someone who knows the state or it's region can easily look at several other races to discern Democratic performance and Republican performance numbers. The problem is that even when you discard the high vote getters and low vote getters you're approximate percent may be off for a particular race. I've worked in, been to parts of the Country where raw Democratic performance was over 50% but Gore and Kerry performed signifincantly worse. That being said you can comfterably say that a generic Republican and Generic Democrat may be evenly divided in a district. You can try to account for incumbent advantage, etc., but the points is that the previous commenter is probably right. The bill is a mess, leaves too many important definitions to chance, and a lot  of discretion to supposebly non-partisan judges where the bills goals could be interperted to cage in urban and inner-subarban voters.
by Kombiz Lavasany on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 01:46:39 AM EST
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exactly (none / 0)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.  One thing to watch for in competitiveness is that party registration does not translate directly into vote.  A district which has equal party registration is going to lean Republican because they vote in greater numbers.  Dump (g) and I think the redistricting idea looks good.

I seem to remember a federal requirement that state legislatures must do redistricting, which would require legislative approval.  That would be reassuring for Democrats.  We should get a few GIS geeks to create districts blindly and then check expected party performance - it would be an interesting exercise.

by CA Pol Junkie on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:56:08 AM EST
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pro reapportionment comment (none / 0)

Thanks much for the debate here.  It points out the potential problems with the reapportionment initiative itself.

My thought, therefore, is that the bestcase scenario would be a legislative alternative clarifying districting priorities (compactness v. competetiveness, yeah, try that in LA), number of commissioners, their selection criteria etc.

As I've argued before here and here redistricting would be good for California period.  But it would also be good for Democrats here in California.  Protected districting has, IMHO, given rise to a cult of mediocrity such that Cruz "not quite as charismatic as Grey Davis" Bustamante, and Nancy "why not Roemer?" Pelosi are party standouts.

by CaliBlogger on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 05:15:31 AM EST

Report on Independent Redistricting Commissions (3.00 / 1)

The following are preliminary findings from an upcoming report from Demos, a New York-based nonpartisan public policy organization:

1) Independent Redistricting Commissions do not automatically create more competitive districts:

A) Arizona, the only state to implement a new IRC in the last round of redistricting actually had a bigger drop-off in competitive legislative seats than California did after the last round of redistricting and has since been taken to court for ignoring the requirement to seek competitive districts.

B) Other IRC states also had mixed success at creating competitive districts, with few significantly increasing competitiveness.
Competitiveness in congressional elections has been declining for decades, as much between rounds of redistricting as immediately after them (indicating that campaign fundraising and other advantages of incumbents, increasingly politically segregated settlement patterns, and other issues may be more important causes of safe seats).

2) Competitiveness should be both highly prioritized and carefully defined.

A) The McCarthy bill, for which the Governor has indicated support, requires the IRC to seek competitive districts, but does not allow it to access any partisan registration data or voting history that would be necessary achieve it.

B) The McCarthy bill defines competitive districts as those with "a difference of no more than seven percentage points between the number of voters in each district who are registered with the two largest political parties." This definition will tend to create districts that lean Republican in a manner similar to a Republican partisan redistricting plan (because of lower turnout and higher crossover rates for registered Democrats).

C) Instead, statistical models based not only on registration data, but also recent voting patterns, should be created to predict whether a district will be competitive (predicting results in which the major parties each get 46.5-53.5% of the major party vote). Michael McDonald, hired as the competitiveness expert for Arizona's IRC, developed a highly predictive model and software that allowed it to easily be applied to draft maps, but his suggestions were ignored by the IRC, which interpreted the Constitution as considering competitiveness a lower-level priority (and according to a Maricopa Judge, did not even give it that lesser degree of weight, instead ignoring it almost completely).

3) Minority representation must be respected.

A) A three member panel comprised of retired judges is unlikely to reflect California's diversity. Retired judges are more likely to be older, white, male, and Republican than the average citizen.

B) A larger number of commissioners including some current judges or citizens would help make the panel more diverse and responsive to minority needs.

C) Compliance with the Voting Rights Act should be explicitly required and prioritized in the amendment, which the McCarthy bill does not do.

For more information, check www.demos-usa.org next week when the report will be posted.

Disclosure: The author of this comment is a policy analyst for Demos and author of the forthcoming report.

by Voting Rights Advocate on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:18:21 AM EST

Over Dreier's Dead Body (none / 0)

Arnold Schwarzenegger has plenty of ideas that entrenched CA Republicans like...and this ain't one of 'em.

Mr. Arnold-lover himself...Dave "I am not gay" Dreier does not like the idea. The reason being is this. Most of the CA Republicans have committee chairmanships because of their safe districts and their seniority. So ask yourself, if Duncan Hunter, Bill Thomas, David Dreier, and Chris Cox tell Arnold they would rather have a safe seat than a volatile one...whatchu think is gunna happen?

Arnold's problem is that he thinks the Republicans are actually interested in reform. At least in CA, they want a bigger slice of the pie. That's it...so Arnold's real problem is that he thinks he has blanket support from the Republicans and he really does not. Needless to say, the Legislature is preparing to gore him just that way.

One thing he could do though, which would be good I think, is to reform how state assembly and senate districts are drawn. Namely, he could make Assembly districts unable to cross county lines. In other words, counties could be cut into smaller districts if they are populous, but if they are not populous you would not be able to chop up two counties to form two districts. Either the county encapsulate the distirct, or the district encapsulates the county.

The other reform is to add state Senate seats so that each county gets one Senator. At first this would appear to be bad overall, but what it actually does it allow rural counties which have poor represenation through other channels air grievances. It sounds meaningless but CA's biggest industry is still agriculture and there are other BIG BIG problems which urban politicians ignore here because quite frankly it hasn't reach them yet. One is the levee brekage northeast of San Francisco. Right now no one cares...until it breaks and contaminates 50% of the Bay Area's water.

In short the best legislature structures reflect balance. Until Ahhhnold gets that memo, he's better off strapping those frogs to the boxes he so eagerly blows up.

by risenmessiah on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:23:18 PM EST

Redistricting (none / 0)

As far as I know, Maryland is the only state that assigns 3 delegates (or assemblymembers) and 1 senator to each district.  It makes your state rep alot more accessible but makes for some strange alliances sometimes.

Interestingly though, Pennsylvania, which has a population half the size of Cali has 115+ state representatives, whereas California only has 80.

The only problem with judges is that they were appointed by a very political governor, so naturally they are going to have some political bias, just as we all do, but I don't have a problem with the "to the extent possible" language.   That is there to ensure enough flexibility to pass constitutional muster.

by Inside Baseball on Sat Jan 22, 2005 at 03:00:07 PM EST


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