Blah blah campus blogethicists & Jerry, Jerry! SpringerOnTheRadio.com

This whole ethics and blogging thing to me is one big conundrum that's a waste of time for more than a single blog entry. But at the beginning of the whole false accusation, I blogged that after I'd defended myself, I'd get around to blogging on the actual issue (and yea, Maya's overdue now), so here goes.

While I of course was not pleased that I had to defend myself from the national slander over the weekend that I blogged for pay from Dean; I was also miffed of the standard that others seemed to think I was taking, with actually not blogging at all while doing consulting work for DFA. That is, the idea that if I was a consultant for any candidate, I would disclose the matter, and that I would not even blog. I've even seen comments out there suggesting that my actions in regard to blogging and working for Dean are the ‘gold standard’ against which others should be measured. What bullshit.

Let me be the first to disappoint the blogethicists, because if you believe that I'm your gold standard, take me down; I'm not the poster boy to hoist up on the ivory column as the standard of a blogger that works in politics. I do plenty of consulting that I don't disclose, and if it’s a political candidate I consult for, there are already FEC disclosure laws in place.

What the campus blogethicists don't understand is that we are at war out here every day on the frontlines as partisan Democratic activist bloggers against a Republican machine that uses whatever means it takes to win. So, if it's not against the law, I don't want to hear about it, because in the political arena, the first thing that matters in elections and campaigns is winning, with the only accountability being the electioneering laws of Congress. Only after winning do we have a chance at enacting a progressive agenda. Let me be very clear in what I'm advocating. I blog, and when I work in campaigns, the only standard that is applicable are those that the FEC demands.

For example, regarding the DaschleVThune Bloggers, they did nothing illegal in accepting compensation without disclosing, from Thune. The FEC disclosed the matter, and that's the end of the discussion in regards to political repercussions. Do they lack credibility? Of course, many would say so. Is there some ethical question? I'm not really one to care if there is, because did they break the law? No, and that's all that matters really, that's all that matters in the political arena.

And for the dogooders. The very lamest position I hear taken in the blogosphere is that all bloggers should volunteer to go along with some code of ethics, like journalists supposedly do, or even sillier, slap a graphic up to announce the bloggers adherence to The Code. How politically naive. All of you in that crowd, please, go talk with the Republicans about taking that up, and I surely hope you are successful. Look, if enough people have a problem with bloggers that are able to make a dime because of their expertise, then those disclosure-freaks need to work on passing a friggin law about it. Until that occurs, the point is moot.

For the readers that visit this blog. Having said all the above, I don't use my position as a blogger to tout races or candidates that I've worked for, because I personally would not do so, and that certainly includes asking others to give financially to candidates whom I happen to be consulting. Yes, I do hold myself to a higher standard than I advocate. Besides, there are very few political candidates I do work for; the money is better, and the work is less, in other fields.

And as it happens, there's a AZ puff piece in the Columbus Dispatch yesterday (I'll put the subscription article in the extended entry) on a currently non-political client (see, I’m going the extra mile here for ya) I work for, Jerry Springer. He's gotta new website launched today, www.SpringerOnTheRadio.com. Check it out, Jerry's gonna be on live from 9-12 AM EST every weekday, and the stations streaming online audio is available nationwide on the web starting today. That's right, Jerry is taking over Ohio Talk Radio.

Springer's blog gives him edge in the new world of politics

Sunday, January 16, 2005
MICHAEL MECKLER, Columbus Dispatch

Jerry Springer launches his Cincinnati-based radio talk show Monday. Springer is seriously considering a run for Ohio governor next year, and many observers see the radio show as a way of burnishing his political credentials. After all, the Democrat and former mayor of Cincinnati has become far better known in recent years for his infamous television program and its regular exhibition of tawdry love triangles and brawls between romantic rivals.

Springer's media savvy extends beyond television and radio. For nearly a year, he has also been running one of the most effective political Web sites in the nation. First launched under the domain name MakeOhioBlue.org (and, after the November election, as JerryForOhio.com and soon to be changed to SpringerOnTheRadio.com), Springer's Web site has the standard features of a candidate site, including a way for visitors to join an e-mail list, and information on Springer's public appearances. What sets the Web site apart is the ability of visitors to post their own messages and engage in debate with others over issues in Ohio and national politics.

In other words, Springer's Web site really functions as a community Web log for Ohio Democrats. Web logs -- blogs, for short -- began to appear several years ago when ordinary individuals could easily set up home pages. Blogs originated as sort of online diaries, but political commentary has come to the fore on these sites. An entire culture has developed around blogging, and the feeling of empowerment that accompanies this form of self-publication has encouraged a new generation to become active in politics. The once obscure former Vermont governor Howard Dean famously tapped into their enthusiasm to become a serious contender for the Democratic presidential nomination.

What Dean managed to accomplish was not lost on Springer, whose longtime friend and political consultant Mike Ford worked on Dean's campaign. Springer hired two of the masterminds behind Dean's Internet strategy, Jerome Armstrong and Markos Moulitsas, to devise his site. Moulitsas is extremely well-known in the blogosphere -- the worldwide community of bloggers -- for his own Web log, The Daily Kos, which averages more than 250,000 visits each day.

The number of visits to Springer's Web site is far more modest, but Springer's communications director, Dale Butland, is extremely pleased. In the past election, the Web site promoted not only Sen. John Kerry's failed White House bid but, just as important, the candidacy of other Democrats on the Ohio ballot. The site ended up generating an energized core of volunteers who can be called upon should Springer choose to run for governor next year. Furthermore, the site's promotion of other Ohio Democrats engendered good will among some in the party establishment.

Butland believes that candidates at all levels are now going to be judged by how well their Web sites engage the public. "Anyone who runs for office is going to have to have a good Web operation," he said.

With the Internet becoming an increasing part of our daily lives, voters are coming to expect candidates to have professional-looking Web sites that are easy to use, that are filled with useful and timely information and that encourage public involvement in formulating policy positions. Springer's site fulfills these objectives admirably, though Butland is aware that a fancy Web site alone will not ensure victory at the ballot box.

"We all know that Howard Dean didn't get the nomination," Butland said.

Yet Springer's potential gubernatorial rivals -- Democrats and Republicans -- have a long way to go to match his presence on the Web. In this Internet Age, candidates who lack a credible Web site may also end up lacking a credible candidacy.

Michael Meckler is a journalist and historian who lives in Columbus.



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sullentrop's Slate article (none / 0)


http://www.slate.com/id/2112314/

"Still, my verdict is to let Armstrong free with a slap on the wrist. Joe Trippi's hiring of Armstrong because of MyDD.com was one of the most-reported anecdotes of the primary season. What's new is Teachout's revelation that the Dean campaign hired Armstrong because they wanted him to give them good blog, not because they wanted his sage political advice. But Armstrong didn't know that, so it's tough to be too hard on him for it".

by buckfush on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:37:24 AM EST

Re: sullentrop's Slate article (none / 0)

"But Armstrong didn't know that."

Amazing that Sullentrop thinks he knows more about what happened than Jerome.

by Chris Bowers on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:48:33 AM EST
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Re: sullentrop's Slate article (none / 0)

PLEASE clarify which Armstrong you're talking about.

Jerome, unfortunately, has the same last name as Williams' first name.

Probably, Bubba in Birmingham, whose first exposure to blogs has been by word of mouth concerning the WSJ article, now thinks that Jerome Armstrong Williams was paid $240,000 to blog for Howard Dean.

by DC Pol Sci on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:15:42 PM EST
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Re: sullentrop's Slate article (none / 0)

Probably, Bubba in Birmingham, whose first exposure to blogs has been by word of mouth concerning the WSJ article, now thinks that Jerome Armstrong Williams was paid $240,000 to blog for Howard Dean.

ROFL, so true

by musicsleuth on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:29:57 PM EST
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Re: sullentrop's Slate article (none / 0)

For $240,000 I'd blog for Dean.

Pardon me for not following this story closely at all, but was there ever pressure from Dean to resume blogging? Did they feel cheated and express that in some way?

SpringerOnTheRadio.com doesn't exactly seem to be the place to go for insightful commentary. In addition, it needs more conflict, and maybe some Shockwave games like Dodge The Chair or Is She A She Or A He.

by TheLonewackoBlog on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 04:27:54 PM EST
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The controversy (none / 0)

I don't really see what all the fuss is about. It all sounds like bullshit to me. Blogs are, by their nature, paritisan. That is why they are fun to read. Now people want you to declare your partisanship before you write a word? What's the point of that?
by John Rogers on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:43:54 AM EST

Re: The controversy (none / 0)

It's a slippery slope, the desire is to want much much too much more.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:06:36 PM EST
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Thanks Jerome... but uh... (none / 0)

... you are the gold standard. You just made that clere here. Not because you didn't blog back then (though that certainly kept you beyond reproach) but rather because

  1. you just stated clearly where your head is at on the issue,

  2. you adhere to existing law

  3. you have your own personal standard of ethics that you adhere to

And there it is. A blogger is just a guy with a web site that likes to blab a lot. As long as s/he is not breaking the law and is doing their level best to adhere to their own personal ethics (and hopefully momma taught them a good one) then that's all there is to it. An ivory tower discussion of establishing a code is just that an ivory tower discussion. It has its own merits but it is just philosophical in nature. It shouldn't be attacked however. Ivory Tower discussions are very valuable. But folks in the tower and folks with their feet on the ground both need to understand the separate nature of the two. One is real world, now, here, reality. One is... what if?

Neither one is wrong. Both have their place.

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:02:14 PM EST

Re: Thanks Jerome... but uh... (none / 0)

clere... clear... claire... clare... clerk... clark... closeau....

Could I be more clear?

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:09:22 PM EST
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Consulting for Springer, (none / 0)

your first recommendation should be to carry enough cash next time.
by DC Pol Sci on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:12:13 PM EST

Re: Consulting for Springer, (none / 0)

It may be "nonpolitical" work, but working for Jerry Springer? What next, porn? Even political sleaze is a step up from show business sleaze.
by SLinVA on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 05:17:26 PM EST
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Re: Consulting for Springer, (none / 0)

The beauty of Springer, is that he hybridizes political sleaze, show business sleaze, and porn.  By the way, what's wrong with porn?  Jerome's gotta feed the monkey, man.  If he wants to consult for some XXX web-sites, I say let him.  Maybe he can get us some membership discounts.
Invest in nature
by NCDem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 05:27:27 PM EST
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Changing the subject again... (none / 0)

You guys seem to be missing Jerome's point, yet again.  If you read his post(s), he's so god-damned tired of talking about the blog ethics scandal (that wasn't) that he wishes you'd all shut the fuck up about it.  

I'll boil his long-winded piece down into the two most important sentences...

"I'm not the poster boy to hoist up on the ivory column as the standard of a blogger that works in politics.... I work for Jerry Springer..."

That says it all.  So quit putting him on a pedestal.  

Plus, Zephyr's stupidity was nothing but a pathetic, desperate attempt of someone who is fading into oblivion... searching for one last "Jerry Springer Moment".  (Must have seen the opera to know exactly what I'm talking about).  
..................
Jerome gave you guys a great seguay for talking about something else.  He's working for JERRY FUCKING SPRINGER, man!!!  In other words, change the subject.  I'll take the bait, Jerome.

I saw "Jerry Springer - The Opera" in London last summer.  It was a blast.  "Poop Your Fucking Pants!" was my favorite song... and my favorite dialogue was as follows...

Jerry: "Jesus, Satan has something he wants to tell you. Go ahead Satan."

Satan (to Jesus): "Fuck you."

Jesus (to Satan): "Talk to the stigmata."

So what I want to know is, Jerome... Was Jerry offended by the opera?  Or was he amused?

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:37:37 PM EST

Re: Changing the subject again... (none / 0)

Thanks, that's what I'm really talking about, glad you caught it.  I read the show is coming to the Orpheum in Spring '05, and Broadway in Fall '05; did you read about the shitstorm it caused by airing on the BBC?  I know Jerry's not involved with it at all, or making any money from it (that might be a dissapointment); I'd guess he's amused, we'll find out if the fundies are as well.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:01:08 PM EST
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Re: Changing the subject again... (none / 0)

The Opera flew Jerry to London on opening night, and he gave his approval, actually (at least, the program which quoted him said he approved).  I did read about the shitstorm on the BBC.  It would never air here, I assure you.  Too much cussing, nudity, diaper-shitting by 40-year-olds, and worst of all, and... horror of all horrors... Jesus was an overweight black man... Satan was a bit nicer-looking and the audience sympathized with him for all the shit that Jesus dealt him.

oh... Maya is the baby's name...  Fine choice for a name.   Hope all goes well.  If you're as good a father as you are a blogger, maybe you won't fuck her up too badly.  A suggestion... Don't go on a baby hiatus like you do with MYDD.  Bowers probably won't take up your slack in the father department, as he does when you slack off here...

Also, don't take any pictures of her with a bunch of stupid Dean paraphernalia.  You'll look back on those photos later and cringe if you do.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 03:09:37 PM EST
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jerry (none / 0)

Jerry has his own site: Jerry for Ohio (too busy to link to right now)

My cousin worked for him as a producer on the show.

when will jerry run again?

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:43:55 PM EST

Or... (none / 0)

Instead of Jerry Springer, we could talk about his upcoming fatherhood (Jerome's pushing for some early congratulations, but none of you are biting...  I will.)  Early Congratulations, Jerome!!!  I'm sure all will work out well.  What are you going to name the kid?  I'm sure "Zephyr" is off the table now.  

The blessed anonymity of the internet allows me to tell you that my wife's now 5 weeks pregnant... HOLY FUCKING SHIT!  What did you get yourself into?!?!?!  Did Maya take too much vitamin A?  Did she change the cat's litter box?  My wife did before she knew she was pregnant, and now we're positive that we're going to have a baby without a skull or something else equally awful.  We go to our first doctor's visit day-after-tomorrow... and I'm positive that the doctor's gonna say, "Yep, you're pregnant with a skull-less baby... and you've transmitted that cat-shit disease to it, too."  

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:49:38 PM EST

Re: Or... (none / 0)

Typical obtuse grammar on my part:

(and yea, Maya's overdue now),

Maya is the baby's name.

Congrats!

by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:03:53 PM EST
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From your mouth to Frist's ears (none / 0)

"Look, if enough people have a problem with bloggers that are able to make a dime because of their expertise, then those disclosure-freaks need to work on passing a friggin law about it."

Careful what you wish for

by emptypockets on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:01:27 PM EST

Agree completely. (none / 0)

This quote sums it up for me:

"What the campus blogethicists don't understand is that we are at war out here every day on the frontlines as partisan Democratic activist bloggers against a Republican machine that uses whatever means it takes to win. So, if it's not against the law, I don't want to hear about it, because in the political arena, the first thing that matters in elections and campaigns is winning, with the only accountability being the electioneering laws of Congress."

To quote Jack: They can't handle the truth. Although in this instance I am identifying with the villian through the quote, I really think people don't understand that the right will do everything, even the illegal, to win. Talking about blog ethics is a waste of time when there are more pressing issues to go after.

Blogs are partisan. That's why they are popular. I don't want to start muzzling bloggers just because they reach a level in which they can make a living doing this or have something to offer to a candidate through consulting. Hell, I wish my business rated well enough for my graphic skills to get such a gig with so many candidates.

Bottom line is that disclosing a contract with a client is not always the best thing to do for both parties. There are many sources of information on the net. I know Chris and Jerome are probably pro-Dean. I read their posts with that in mind. There's many other blogs I can go to and get another opinion. Thankfully blogs are still a place where people come to think rather than be entertained. Such thinking leads to action, partisan or not. These actions are needed, now more than ever.

Academia needs to understand the frontline quality of such action and quit obsessing about things that really are academic.

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:40:12 PM EST

broken link (none / 0)

that should be springerontheradio.com, you have the link going to a non-existent site
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:02:00 PM EST

Two Questions Jerome (none / 0)

Let me say upfront, that I respect you Jerome.  I respect your opinions, even though I sometimes dont agree, and I respect the aid that you have provided to the cause.  I mention this because I dont want what I am about to say seem like a personal attack.

Let me further say that I am one of the "dogooders" who believe that bloggers should have some ethical standards regarding conflicts of interest.  However, I am persuadable.  It would help my thinking if ou responded to two question I have.

1)  How exactly would progressives adopting some ethical-conflict of interest type standards hurt your effectiveness as bloggers vs. your Republican/conservative opposition that dont follow standards.  See, I actually agree with part of your premise, that Democrats and progressives should not tie our hands in battle by unilaterally adhering to some ethical norm when doing so keeps us at a disadvantage.  But, I dont see how disclosing any potential conflicts of interests would hurt the effectiveness of progressive bloggers.  In fact, I think the opposite is the case.

Let me put it to you this way.  Did the fact that you and Markos did the ethically right thing of either terminating your blogging while you worked for Dean somehow or display a disclosure notice hurt your effectiveness with Dean?  Did doing this make you two less effective then the Republican noise machine?  Personally, I dont think so.  I think the fact that you guys did the right thing helped you very much counter the totally unfair accusations that have come at you from the right.  Acting in an ethical manner assisted you vs. the right. Under what scenario would adopting a conflict of interest disclosure standard hurt progressive bloggers.

Even among its readership, I personally think progressive blogs would be assisted by adopting some ethical guidelines.  I know that all things being equal, I would put real weight behind your view of what progressive candidates to support in '06 and '08 because, frankly, you and your colleagues are more informed then I.  Yet, if I have to worry about whether progressive bloggers have a hidden agenda, a financial agenda, then I would doubt what you all are saying, just as I would doubt any political operative (like Shrum) who advocates TV advertising as a strategy while making a huge financial windfall from it.

But, I know I may be missing something.  I often do.

2)  Do you literally think that progressive bloggers should have no ethical standards (as opposed to legal standards-I understand you definitely are not advocating trying to evade the law).  For example, do you think it is "ok" for a blogger to "strengthen" the credibility of an opinion by stating that they have some source that supports their opinion when no such source exists.  Or just make up a story as being true when you know it is not.  To my knowledge, these two practices would not be illegal, assuming no liable is involved, but it would, in my mind, certainly be unethical.

One last point: sometimes when I read individual posters supporting your opinion on this issue, they make the point that you are not a news organization, so those standards should not apply.  I agree with that to a point.  You are not writing "news" for the most part, so the specific journalism ethics in news stories should not apply. But you are similar to a columnist.  And I think they should be bound by some ethical standards, even if not the same as in a newsroom.  For example, I will always contend that George Will was wrong by not disclosing that he worked as a debate coach for Reagan in 1980 before he went on tv and declared his man the winner in the debate vs. Carter.  

At any rate, I know you are sick of this issue and if you dont feel like responding, there's not much I can do about it.  I am just one reader.  Still, I hope you respond all the same.

Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 03:30:12 PM EST

Re: Two Questions Jerome (none / 0)

I'll respond...

On your first point... DailyKos and MyDD's code of ethics is clearly understood, and they (and we) don't need Zephyr or anybody else to impose their code of ethics on an already-(not-so-perfectly) functioning (yet ever-evolving) system.  Zephyr's stamp of approval would mean nothing to me... and I wouldn't want it stuck at the top of this god damned blog.  

On your 2nd point...  Kos, Jerome, Bowers, and company don't make shit up.  If they did, the other 8 billion blogs out there would call them out on it, they'd lose face, and lose readership.  

Therefore, as Jerome has been trying to patiently tell you over and over and over and over and over and over...

The points are fucking moot.  

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 03:47:32 PM EST
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Re: Two Questions Jerome (none / 0)

That's right, Jerome... It's a god damned "moot" point, not a "mute" point...

Jeez...  Your kid's gonna talk funny.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 03:54:24 PM EST
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Re: Two Questions Jerome (none / 0)

Moot. I got it.  

I know what the rules are according to the law, and I'm just saying....

....uh oh, gotta go to the hospital again, wonder if it's another 'false call', we'll see.

by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 04:51:30 PM EST
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Re: Two Questions Jerome (none / 0)

your wife's just trying to get attention.  Tell her to call you if it's real this time... otherwise, you've got blogging to do.
Invest in nature
by NCDem on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 05:09:48 PM EST
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