My take on DNC Regional Caucus/Forum in St. Louis

Like Joyce, I attended the DNC Regional Caucus in St. Louis. Unlike Joyce, I was not a "media rep" from MyDD or any other traditional or non traditional media organization, but went just as an interested Democrat (by the way, I had no problem doing so--I just emailed Corey of the Missouri Dems about my interest in attending and she put me on the list). My impressions were somewhat different than Joyce's--and perhaps more focused on the structural issues rather than just the contest for DNC chair. And while I was tremendously impressed with Howard Dean's presentation, I remain concerned about how well his reputation (be it fairly or unfairly acquired) would play in my state (Kansas) or my congressional district (represented by moderate Democrat Dennis Moore). I've put an in-depth report in the extended entry.

Intertwined with the issue of the next DNC chair is the issue of reforming the DNC to return more power and money to the state parties. Before the candidate forum, Don Fowler (former chair and yes, father of Donnie Fowler, candidate for chair) made a presentation on behalf of the ASDC (I think that is right acronyn--Assoc of State Democratic Chairs?) that would seek to reform the DNC structure and powers in several ways. One would sharply reduce the number of at large members of the DNC appointed by the chair and give those at large appointments to the four regional caucuses. Another would reform the budget and finance structure of the DNC (with an emphasis on revenue sharing with the state parties). This issue of taking back power and money from the DNC was one that would be a central theme of the questions directed at the candidates during the candidate forum.

Based on the forum, and personal visits with some of the candidates, here is my OVERALL impression of each candidate (

Martin Frost.  He didn't seem to bring much to the table in terms of either forceful personality or specific reforms. Mostly touted his experience as DCCC chair and his campaigns in Texas. I respect him for his work, and bemoan him getting DeLayed, but don't see him as the kind of chair we need.

Tim Roemer.  Looking at him with as open a mind as possible (i.e, without considering some of his positions and affiliations that have received so much attention in the blogosphere), I found his presentation to be extremely defensive, prickly and unappealing. He mostly seemed to whine about being the victim of unfair attacks by other candidates. He seemed to think that the non-orthodoxy of his views--of having no "litmus test" for Democrats--made him the best choice. Well, guess what. I too am uncomfortable with litmus tests, and I think we can AND MUST stress values and faith. But there's a wrong way (ie, Roemer's) and a right way (see Donnie Fowler below) to do that.

Wellington Webb:  You can tell he was an effective politician--he can give a good mini stump speech; he can speak directly to the voting members of the DNC he knows and has worked with. But I didn't see any indication of him being either the public fighter a Howard Dean would be or a reformer of any stripe.

Howard Dean:  As I said before, I was very impressed with Dean's presentation. While he was not my choice in the primary season (I was for Wes Clark), I thought his appearance here was absolutely terrific.  He clearly would be a strong voice for the party in terms of being a battler for Democratic values and positions against the Bushites. And he is clearly interested in building the grassroots. Of course, he touts his ability to raise money as well. I'm still somewhat concerned that in many parts of the country, he would still be saddled with the (unfair but still present) image as polarizing, left-wing, etc.  What I am more concerned about is his ability to be a behind the scenes manager who does the harder, less glamourous work of building the party.

Simon Rosenberg. I was very interested in how Simon would come across, having never seen him other than in print. Well, to me, he comes across much like he seems in print. Incredibly bright, incredibly earnest and hard working and thoughtful, and filled with specific ideas about working on a better agenda, a better means of communicating that agend, of building the party infrastructure and capturing the passion of the grassroots. A big selling point, of course, was the practical experience he has had in that regard--including in so called "red" areas. (and he has worked with my Dem congressman Dennis Moore, who keeps winning in a strong GOP district). Having said all that, I wonder about how strong a public face he would present--after all, he isn't the experienced political figure like Dean. Even so, very impressive.

David LeLand. I knew nothing about him before I saw him. And while I liked much of what he had to say, and thought he was a good exponent of getting more power back to the state parties, I don't think he is at the level of Dean, Rosenberg or Fowler. By the way, he thought we needed more caucuses and fewer primaries, because of the way caucuses breed party activists.  I'm not sure what I think of that at this point--might it not also mean less reaching out to independents, which at least some primaries make you do?

Donnie Fowler.  I went into the forum thinking that Dean or Rosenberg would be the strongest candidate, but Fowler, I thought, made the strongest presentation.  I liked the fact that he stressed not conceding the South or the Rocky Mountains. I loved his attact on the "aristocracy of consultants."  I loved his stress on values and faith in a positive way (very unlike Roemer's). He seems to combine a very strong and charismatic personality, which makes me think he would be an effective public spokesman) with a commitment to reforming the party infrastructure and building from the grassroots.  Like Rosenberg, he also stressed his working at the grassroots level. He also stressed his commitment to diversity. (which, of course, they all did, but I thought he did it more effectively). But maybe most importantly, he stressed that we need to accept that, right now, we are no longer the majority party--and that we have to grow the party base to win.  I also think he would be great at focusing on building on the youth vote and participation in the party.

Having said all that, I would be thrilled with Dean, Rosenberg or Fowler--I think they all bring a lot to the table.  I would be most distressed with Roemer.  Frost, Leland and Webb I all respect for their service to the party, but in my opinion they aren't the people who would bring an URGENCY to change.

In an aside, Kathleen Sebelius, our Kansas governor, gave a terrific talk before the forum began.  She has a rough period ahead with an overwhelmingly GOP state legislature--but she is clearly someone to keep an eye on.

In another aside, Ryan Lizza of TNR and I shared a surprise that so little was said about the Social Security fight.  (when we visited afterwards, we both realized we were sitting there waiting for any of the candidates to make a strong statement about how he would address this issue--which I personally believe is a great OPPORTUNITY to really take the debate back to the REAL VALUES we stand for).

Whew--I promise my later postings will be much more concise!


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Good commentary (none / 0)

Thanks for going to this and recording it all in this diary.

Question: Did Fowler address how he would raise money for the party? That seemed a weak point last week.

Good diary.

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by michael in chicago on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 09:24:52 AM EST

concise (none / 0)

Fantastic post. One of the best aspects was the fact that you did go into detail. Don't worry about concise for our sake. I'd rather read a bit more and have a better sense of what's going on in the race from people who are actually there.
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by fng on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 09:58:20 AM EST

Fowler on finances and other observations (none / 0)

The nature of the forum meant that the topics discussed in the most detail depended on the audience questions--and I don't think anyone specifically asked about raising money. Fowler did mention that having specific projects with specific benchmarks would help in raising money. I THINK (I checked my notes on this and not sure if he or if Rosenberg said this) that Fowler said there are people willing to commit substantial amounts of money to major infrastructure and message projects but they want to know more precisely where that money will go.  

I think all the candidats had their selling points or themes they were stressing as they looked for votes. Dean clearly was reminding DNC members of his fundraising appeal (in fact, he talked about how he could personally go into various states to help local and state parties raise money). Rosenberg's theme was clearly building for the future with formulating better agendas and messages and delivering those through a new infrastructure. Fowler, I think, was trying to combine the nuts and bolts reform message similar to Rosenberg, but appeal to Democrats in red states or districts with an emphasis on not abandoing them--and on directly attacking the faith/morals issues instead of running away from them. (when I visited him, he talked about this in the context of Michigan and directly going after Catholic votes for Kerry by STRESSING values--and when I mentioned Amy Sullivan to him, he clearly lit up--in a positive way).  

by radiobob on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:58:16 AM EST

Radio Free Bob... (none / 0)

Excellent diary. Save concise for comments and continue to report great detail work like this in diaries. Thank you. Good stuff.

I particularly liked this comment:

"Frost, Leland and Webb I all respect for their service to the party, but in my opinion they aren't the people who would bring an URGENCY to change."

I had been trying to figure out how to say what I have been feeling in regard to several of the candidates. Staus quo didn't seem to quite fit but the idea that they and their supporters in the party don't seem to bringing the "URGENCY to change" says it very nicely. Very nicely indeed.

I've been hearing good things about Sebelius. Haven't ever heard her speak though. How long has she been Gov?

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:35:13 PM EST

Urgency to Change??? (none / 0)

How do you know they have no urgency for change???

All these candidates are saying effectively the same thing, and while I don't know much about Leland or Webb I do know that Frost will come in and reform the DNC for the better.

For those of you who don't know, Martin Frost COMPLETELY reshaped the DCCC when he came in after the 1994 debacle.  What did he do?

Good question (and a fair one).

Well, Martin Frost:

-Was the first DCCC chair to recognize that national money had o be spent to help turn out our base.  He hired Donna Brazile to turn out African-Americans in key districts, and this strategy worked.
-Went against the Washington establishment and began regional polling and localized research to help Democrats shape messages that fit their particular race's needs.
-Recruited and then supported (doing the former but not the latter is a recipe for disaster) candidates in every region of the country--just ask Dennis Moore (KS-3) how Martin Frost's DCCC helped him get elected in what many assumed to be a less than Democratically friendly district.
-Refocused the efforts of the finance office and SHATTERED all DCCC fundraising records in 1996 and 1998.

The result: seat pickups in BOTH 1996 and 1998.  

Frost saw the need to change, and his reforms brought results.

I expect he'll do the same as DNC chair if elected.

by DemDog on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:58:24 PM EST
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Re: Urgency to Change??? (none / 0)

Good posting on Frost. I do know he was helpful in Dennis' campaign (hey that is my district after all).  It is a fair question you ask:  "How do you know they have no urgency for change?" But, by golly, even if Frost is filled to the brim with such urgency, he doesn't CONVEY THE IMPRESSION of such urgency. I spoke with him, I liked him, I think he was and is a dogged campaigner for himself and others. I'm glad you pointed out more of his record at DCCC.  But what I was trying to convey was the feeling I had, as a Democrat (not a Deaniac, not a hard left person on issues, but a proud Democrat who has voted and worked and contributed to Dems all my life, but thinks we need some big changes), seeing the presentation and meeting most of these candidates. The only one that really gave me a negative impression was Roemer. Otherwise, rather than saying that Frost and Leland and Webb weren't preaching the gospel of change, let me paraphrase Anne Hutchinson from her trial, in which she denied saying that a preacher was preaching the gospel of works--just that he was not preaching the gospel of faith as WELL as Rev. Cotton. Well, I think that Frost and the others are not preaching the gospel of change as WELL as Rosenberg, Fowler and Dean.  Now, I hope I am not banished from the colony like Anne was!
by radiobob on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:31:12 PM EST
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disagree wholeheartedly (none / 0)

frost is not a reformer.  my god man, we are seriously going to have to agree to disagree on that.
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by annatopia on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:41:28 PM EST
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Re: disagree wholeheartedly (none / 0)

You say that without backing it up.  

If you're going to get on your soapbox, at least have something of substance to say...

by DemDog on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:00:35 PM EST
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Re: Urgency to Change??? (none / 0)

I gotta echo Radiobob's reply. What he said and what I said was Frost does not seem to convey that urgency to change.

As I've just been saying over at dKos, I think Martin Frost is very qualified for the job. Thank you, btw, for sharing more detail on the job he did at DCCC. I knew he had done a good job with good results there but didn't know any details.

But Frost also appears to think we need to do what we've been doing only do it better. The details you outline here would seem to imply a real sense of getting local in our approach but from what I've heard he hasn't really articulated a plan along those lines. If you have more info on his plan I'd love to be directed to it.

I think we need more fundamental change. We do need to "get local" and rebuild the party at the county and state level... everywhere. We do need real plans, long term as well as short, on outreach to and input from minorities, but we also need to redefine the party and stop letting the Republicans define us for us. We need to be able to pick our ground, stand on it strongly, not be budged, articulate our positions and the reasons why they are good for all Americans, and paint a contrast with the Republican so stark that Americans wonder why they ever considered voting Republican in the first place.

I've heard nothing out of Frost to indicate that he gets that part of it. In any other time I would have no problems with Frost as DNC Chair but I agree with Radiobob that the new DNC Chair, as well as all other party leadership positions, needs to be filled with someone that understands the primary need for redefinition and redirection.

If Martin Frost has a plan there I am all ears. I want the best possible people in our leadership positions.

Full disclosure: I am a Dean guy but Dean will be fine and will continue to make a real difference in the party whether he gets this job or not. I am open to Rosenberg and Fowler. Frost has a few strikes against him but I won't rule him out if he can articulate a vision for fundamental change in the approach of the Democratic Party.

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:46:35 PM EST
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Re: Radio Free Bob... (none / 0)

Sebelius was elected in 2002. She benefitted from the increasingly bitter (well, bitter is too mild a word...maybe poisonous) relations between the social conservative (ie fundamentalist extremist) wing of the Kansas GOP (think Brownback) and the more moderate (think Nancy Kassebaum and yes, Bob Dole) wing of the Kansas GOP.  This allows savvy Democrats like Sebelius and Cong. Dennis Moore a chance to win. And, as Sebelius points out, even while GOP has dominated elections for President, Senators and House, the Democrats have basically split control with Republicans for the Governorship down through the years.  A lot of this, of course, is that governors have to actually GOVERN (something the right wing ideologues really aren't very interested in much less good at. It will be very interesting to see how Sebelius does between now and 2006. The big issue is education. After a district judge said state needed to spend 1 billion more on schools to fix violation of Ks constitution, she proposed ( a year ago) a modest tax increas (300 million) and other sources of spending for a significant (tho not 1 billion) increase in state funding for schools. The totally GOP dominated legislature shot that down and did nothing for schools. Well, now the state Supreme Court has said the current school funding is unconstitutional and told the legislature to fix it (court wasn't specific on how much would be needed but was clear it would have to be substantial). Sebelius, wisely, told the legislature she sent HER plan up last year and they rejected it--so now it is up to THEM to come up with a plan. They, of course, want to make HER propose the needed taxes. But I think she is playing this right--she put forth her proposal last year and they did nothing.  She is also proposing an INCREASE in Medicaid funding (with higher smoking and alcohol taxes) and stressing the MORAL obligation of society in doing this AND the short and long run financial imperatives of doing this--and also an increase in state insurance of uninsured children.  Of course, the first thing the new legislature does is reopen the gay marriage issue (an attempt to put on ballot last year failed, but the fundamentalists knocked some people off in primaries last year and have the votes , i think, to get the needed 2/3 to get it through state legislature (already got it through Senate). Governor just says it is not needed under state law, but wants to get debate over with (and if a vote, get it on this year's ballot and not the 2006 general election ballot). Some GOP are trying to delay to make sure it is on ballot when she is up for re election. By the way, it not only bans marriage, but also civil unions and any of the benefits thereof, so it is extra stregth bigotry.  Of course, our state board of education was also captured again by the fundamentalists, so you can expect the de emphasis of evolution and other such things.  HOWEVER, those sorts of things tend to drive a lot of moderate republicans to vote for Democrats!
by radiobob on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:03:40 PM EST
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Re: Radio Free Bob... (none / 0)

Radiobob... thanks. Excellent post. I'll keep my eyes and ears open for reports on how things turn out there. Interesting to see the truth of the statement that all politics is local and why forgetting that has gotten this party into so much trouble.
The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:50:39 PM EST
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questions asked by DNC members to candidates (3.00 / 1)

I thought it would also be a good idea to post the questions asked by DNC members of the candidates--to show what was on the minds of at least some of the voters in the audience. I will do this in the order of how the questions were asked and give my impression of some of the answers.
  1. Is there a place for social conservaties in the party?  Roemer went first and obviously loved this one, and then talked about big tent, how GOP has both Bush and Schwarzanegger etc. Webb said we have to "allow" them in (I thought that was a telling word as opposed to encourage, or embrace. Dean stressed that we can't change our principles. Rosenberg said we have to stress the things we do agree on---the economy, making the world safe, and communicate with clear simple phrases. Fowler said left vs right is a false choice, ask people why are YOU a Democrat. (when I don't mention specifics by any candidate, it meant I didn;t think their response said anything worth mentioning)
  2. People talk about a 50 state strategy--what does that mean? Webb starts this by saying he opposes comepetive bidding at DNC (it is clear that the reform proposals from the ASDC are toucing a lot of nerves and candidates are trying to position themselves on this.) Webb says this would remove minority firms from doing business with DNC. Dean gave a very effective response that had excellent crowd reaction--that you have to give states resources for 4 years, not 7 months before election. AND, he said, we have to develop candidates by supporting them even if they ARENT likely to win--so that in the future they CAN win. Rosenberg (as he was wont to do) said "21st century strategy" and stressed more coordination DNC and state parties. (your humble correspondent then had to answer the call of nature).
  3. How to deal with conflict between DC and the state parties?  Most of the answers were of course supportive of better coordination and cooperation.  Notably, though, LeLand stressed he comes from the state parties (former Ohio chair) and said he endorsed the ASDC reforms. Fowler stressed how he worked at grass roots and supports the reforms as well--and said that when DNC comes in to raise money out of states, they should leave some there for state parties. Roemer was notable for no specifics at all on sharing any power or money with the states.
  4. Wants SPECIFICS on building state parties. Rosenberg says see my 8 page document. Leland says  put the regional desks out in regions, not in DC and says I support the ASDC reforms (he said this several times, and clearly wants to use that issue to get support). Fowler "me too, David" on ASDC. Says to ask successful states what they are doing and convey that to other states. Set 2, 4 and 6 year benchmarks and ask states what they need (technical needs, staff, financing) to fulfill them. Roemer says "I am not going to pander to states" and does not support whole ASDC proposal. Webb says no "one size fits all" reforms will work (ie, he opposes ASDC). Dean said we need to do what GOP did (ie in building their right wing media conspiracy) and develop think tanks, research, media etc.
  5. Questioner notes Bush attacks on medical malpractice suit in speech in Illinois and bemoans the lack of response to that by Dems. (i found this interesting because some of the candidates used the question to talk about "tort reform" issues, but others grasped the REAL point--rapid, coordinated response at grassroots as well as national level. (Fowler esp. good on that point.) Dean gave a rousing "we don't need tort reform we need insurance company reform" soundbite. Rosenberg argued that Soc Security and malpractice issues were GOP trying to divert attention from their horrible economic record.
  6. How will you get youth into being active in the party? (or something like that). I really liked Fowler here--he said peple under 30 are the most progressive group and he showed a lot of passion on this question. Dean of course pointed to his campaign. Rosenberg at 92 Clinton campaign. The rest were pretty weak on this one (I wrote "blah blah blah" by Roemer on this. By the way, I heard what I think was the only teenager in attendance tell Fowler that only he and Dean would have any appeal to young people.
  7. Questions refers to Clinton and Ron Brown and says she is concerned about diversity in party. --especially if ASDC reforms take appointments away from DNC chair and give to regional caucuses. The only memorable answer here was by Rosenberg--on one of his best points of the day--to the effect that GOP is going into black churchs and peeling off our base00and that we need to go into THEIR churchs with issues that can peel off THEIR base.
  8. Questioner notes the decline of S Dak party--and basically attacks DNC for abandoning states like S Dak. Asks the candiates for specific responses to the ASDC reforms (which questioner clearly supports). (esp, he says, he wants to know if they support the call for 200,000 a year to EVERY state party). Roemer opposes the plan. Webb says he supports the 200,000 per year but not stripping the DNC chair of 50 at large member appointments. Dean, look at my 3 page response. Supports most but not all, says 250,000 a year should be base money to states.  Rosemberg, look at my 8 page response. Doesnt agree with 200,000 a year with no strings--says getting money from DNC should be with a PLAN of how it is spent. LeLand for the ASDC. Fowler says he is for ASDC Plus. He stressed (as he often did) how local people know better than outsiders about their own states, and that media buys is NOT building grassroots. Frost worries about reducing the power of DNC chair.
  9. What changes do you believe are needed in how we nominate president? Webb, look at entire process but preserve NH and Iowa. Dean "as a victim of the process" says we have commission working on it, that he opposed regional primaries but concerned that many voters didnt get a say. he says as chairman, he would be active in preventing candidates from attacking each other. Rosenberg says "time for a change" from Iowa/NH dominance, allow them in early rounds but have others as well. LeLand wants more caucuses. Fowler says small and medium states early are best, but need those early states to have diversity. Says he is ok with commission if they do those two things. Frost says defer to commission. Roemer uses this to go all prickly about how this campaign is having unfair attacks on him by special interests doing research and sending out "secret" emails. This was his low point--and I thought he might be jumping over Webb to take a swing at Dean!
  10. I didnt quite catch the final question (I never said this, but the microphone/sound situation was pretty dismal, to put it mildly). but something along lines of specifics on commitment to women. Dean says go after women voters in 'republican" areas to show they are not well served by the GOP. Rosenberg notes NDN support of women candidates. Says not just a matter of outreach, but of strategy--and bemoans significant decline in Dem support by hispanic and  white women in last election. Fowler notes success of using women in Michigan last election. Frost's wife is a Major General so he is ok with strong women! Roemer uses this question to kiss up to Pelosi.

Whew--so whoever it is wanted detail should be happy!  Going through this again, I am struck by how much the resentment of state parties toward DNC may be shaping this race for the chair as much as the things we read and write about, and how the winning candidate will need to address this (without totally pissing off the DC power brokers????) I heard Ryan Lizza ask Donnie Fowler about that--about whether Fowler's attacks on the consultants would hurt him with the DC types, and Fowler said they didnt like him running anyway--that he was told he was "cutting in line" instead of waiting his turn.
by radiobob on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:48:39 PM EST

Simon Rosenberg For DNC Chair & Here's Why (none / 0)

Fantastic post by Radiobob!

I think Radiobob has got it right ... but only partially when he says: "... Having said all that, I would be thrilled with Dean, Rosenberg or Fowler ..."

I suggest that Radiobob and fellow bloggers take a closer look at Simon Rosenberg and back him vs Dean, Fowlers, others.

Simon Rosenberg is the person WHO CAN HELP THE PARTY RAISE 1/2 $BILLION for 2008 Race. Rosenberg is the person who can lead the rebuilding of our party at the national, state, and local levels.

He's that person who can help position QUALITY / WINNABLE Dem Candidates for President in 2008 like Evan Bayh of IN.

I don't think Donnie Fowler has the talent or skills to do that and the Deaniacs certainly ain't going to do that big of fundraising at $10 a clip. Rosenberg is a Car Designer while Fowler is a Car Mechanic. Donnie should do the right thing for the party now and go in with Rosenberg. Rosenberg can then appoint Donnie to lead what he is best at GOTV and Field Campaigning.

Joe Trippi (ex Dean Campaign Manager) went with Simon Rosenberg last week. Here's what he says about Rosenberg below and at  http://www.simonforchair.org/endorsements/endorsements_full_list.html#Joe_Trippi

"If our party is to win in the 21st century, we have to have a strategist who knows how to practice 21st century politics.  That means expanding participation, embracing technology, and building an apparatus that can counter the Republican machine.  Simon Rosenberg was among the first in politics to acknowledge the power of the movement we built with Dean for America  and he wasn't afraid to speak up about how we were fundamentally changing politics.  He knows that in the age of the Internet, our politics must be interactive and participatory to engage citizens.  He knows the Internet is not just an ATM for candidates and parties, but a tool for bringing in millions of Americans who want to be a part of the political process.  For Simon, building a new progressive politics for our time is not just lip service, it is a passion backed up by his record.  I'm backing Simon for chair because I know I can work with him to help build a modern, winning Democratic party."

Well, Dean ain't going to happen. The vast majority of the DNC Delegates are non Deaniacs and would never vote for him. They know if Dean gets in that 2008 will bring along another Republican Presidential Term UNTIL 2012 ... God forbid!

Tim Roemer is not going to be there either. Radiobob says Roemer has the "wrong way".  See the article below by James Wensits of the South Bend Tribune as another source on Roemer.

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Roemer strategy could work -- if he gets chance, bigger bus. His platform includes addressing abortion issue.

ANALYSIS

By JAMES WENSITS 1/17/05
South Bend Tribune Political Writer

Tim Roemer believes the way to future Democratic victories is to steer the party's bus right down the middle, neither farther to the right nor farther to the left.

It is a strategy that the moderate Democrat from South Bend employed with success in six congressional campaigns.

And it just might work, if Roemer gets a chance to try.

Whether he will actually end up with that chance is a big IF, especially given the reaction so far to Roemer's candidacy.

When Roemer declared his candidacy for chairman of the Democratic National Committee last weekend, his forum was the "This Week" national television program hosted by George Stephanopoulous.

His message was that the party needs to have a "bigger bus," that is, be more inclusive, if it is to have a shot at winning back the White House.

Among items Roemer hopes to pack aboard that bus is a discussion regarding both sides of the abortion issue.

Roemer is a Catholic who personally opposes abortion. The party he hopes to lead is overwhelmingly pro-choice.

"I respect that," Roemer said on the television program, adding that he also believes Democrats need to talk about the issue.

Roemer's personal views on abortion have the potential to short-circuit his candidacy and override any other ideas he might bring to the table.

Newspapers around the country carried the Associated Press story of Roemer's announcement, which led with the prediction that Roemer's candidacy will "spark a heated debate about the abortion issue."

It went on to say that, "Roemer, a Catholic who opposes abortion, wants to lead a party whose platform supports abortion rights."

Kate Michelman, a leading pro-choice advocate, was quoted by the AP as saying that "the election of such a staunchly anti-choice leader would signal that the Democratic Party is retreating from one of its core principles."

The AP also quoted Phil Johnston, chairman of the Massachusetts Democratic Party, as saying, "It would be extremely foolish if the DNC were to be led by a chair who agrees with the Bush administration's position on abortion."

Abortion is undeniably an important issue to many Americans, but if Roemer is unable to lay to rest fears that he would try to impose his own views on the party as a whole, he probably won't get the chance to go on to other issues.

Roemer knows that abortion is a major issue with a large number of Americans, and one in which there can be little compromise from either side.

He is also astute enough to know that other issues need to be part of the national debate, including the war in Iraq, the economy, the federal budget deficit, proposed changes in Social Security and many others.

Those problems were all problems during the last presidential election, but somehow the issue that kept rising to the fore was yet another hot button, the debate on gay marriage.

The gay marriage question became the classic wedge issue in a campaign that should have been about everything but.

Obviously, that issue wasn't the only reason George Bush won and John Kerry lost, but the fact that Democrats let gay marriage become such a key get-out-the-vote measure indicated that they had a serious lack in the strategy department.

Going further to the left is not a strategy likely to ring up more blue states, nor is moving more to the right.

That's why Roemer wants to go right up the middle and reach out to as many people as possible.

It is an approach that stood him in good stead during his six campaigns for Congress, an approach he learned growing up in a state that reflects the values of middle America.

"You always have Indiana in you," Roemer said of his upbringing. "I was born and raised in Indiana. Indiana is what I am."

Roemer faces stiff competition in his bid to replace outgoing chairman Terry McAuliffe.

Among the best known are former presidential candidate and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, former Denver mayor Wellington Webb and former Texas congressman Martin Frost.

Former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard had been mentioned as a possible candidate, but has reportedly pulled out.

The vote will be Feb. 12 in Washington, D.C.

by Democratic Dad on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:49:19 PM EST

Hey, I am very impressed with Simon as well (none / 0)

I think Democratic Dad makes a strong argument for Simon--and I think he is terrific. I hope that nothing in my post indicated otherwise. I went into the caucus with a pretty open mind, I think. I was more impressed by Dean than I thought I would be--after all, I did NOT support him in the last election. I continue to have concerns about how well he will play in places like Kansas--but I also see a big potential upside in terms of the public face and excitement he might generate. And a big potential downside, too, I suppose. I really haven't made up my mind on that--I just know he would be light years better than the Roemer/Webb/Frost insider status quo approach.

My ONE concern with Simon vis a vis Donnie is that "public face" aspect of the job. Especially now, I think the chair is likely (or needs to be) the public face of the party, and I think Fowler MAY be more compelling in that regard.  But I also think Rosenberg has a great vision (and great practical experience) for party building.  I think the car designer/car mechanic analogy is a well turned phrase, but I wonder if the role of DNC chair might not be one where you also need a strong car SALESMAN in the public eye? Is that Rosenberg? or Fowler? or Dean?  I think it comes down to what we think the most important role of the DNC chair is--and frankly, I am not sure of that yet. I just know we need a change from the way we have been doing things--and these three all offer that, I do believe.

by radiobob on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:15:20 PM EST

Radiobob - My Litmus Test Selects Simon Rosenberg (none / 0)

My litmus test picks Simon Rosenberg as the best DNC Chair Candidate.

I am glad you grasped some of the essence of my earlier post about Simon Rosenberg and am glad to continue this disscussion and hope to persuade you and others (specially DNC Delegates)that Simon Rosenberg is the best person for the DNC Chairman slot AND OUR PARTY.

A strong DNC Chairman has to wear many different hats. The salesman hat is an important one ... but only one hat or skill that a DNC Chair Candidate must have.

The DNC Chairman also has to put together a strong and winning USP - Unique Selling Proposition for the Democratic Party and the 2006 Democratic Senatorial Candidates and the 2008 Democratic Presidential Candidate and the Democratic Governor races AND A HELL OF ALOT MORE! This is about WINNING RACES and PUTTING A NEW AND MODERN FACE ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

A USP is a marketing concept ... but also a powerful political concept. Democratic Pollster s like Mark Penn (helped Bill Clinton win twice) understand it. Keen Political Strategists also understand it. Keen Elected Political Officeholders also understand it.

So I think the DNC Chair should have both solid SALES and MARKETING skills. Not just a strong salesman, but more ...

But more so a MARKETER. (Good marketers are usually good at sales, advertising, product management, marketing research, setting selling features/ benefits, repositioning/rebranding, extending and building the brand etc) THE DEMOCRATIC VALUES ARE A BRAND and Simon Rosenberg grasps that and know he has to build a machine to push it just like Karl Rove and the Republicans have done since 1994.

In other words, the DNC Chairman must be pretty good at marketing like a VP of Marketing or CCO Chief Customer Officer is. An old USP is from MM candies (I use to work with the CEO!) "MELTS IN YOUR MOUTH -- NOT IN YOUR HANDS". The USP instills trust and I bet many of the bloggers here like MMs!

Rosenberg knows marketing but I bet you will still see him hire a skilled CVO (Chief Voter Officer)who has both Traditional Marketing and Internet Marketing skills from Madison Ave. or a large Advertising Agency.

This is a TV / Net message game to go after niches like marketers do. An example is: Independent / Housewife / Southern / MidIncome voters and non traditional voters. I think Rosenberg is smart enough to get a Presidential Candidate that has good female appeal - good values appeal that can knock the Republicans macho block off.

The DNC Chairman also has to be a CFO (Chief Fundraiser / Financial Officer) skilled type person. Look for Rosenberg to bring that person to his team also. Somebody that can help the Dem Party raise 1/2 $BILLION PLUS for the 2008 Presidential Election Cycle. You are going to have to tap many differnet constituent groups to raise that money including: Businesses, Investment Bankers On Wall Street, PACS, UNIONS, Dem Activists and yes plain ole voters like Dean showed us how to do with Joe Trippi who is now on Simon Rosenberg's TEAM.

In otherwords ... Simon Rosenberg has the tremendous skills of: strategic vision and a designer / builder of a strategic organization.

I know Simon Rosenberg is light years head of Donnie Fowler as a Democratic ORGANIZER & LEADER. Donnie is more of a carpenter / mechanic type than a designer or leader. Donnie should fold his tent and endorse Rosenberg now. Donnie can always comeback later when he gets more seasoning.

Simon knows this secret of leadership: to gain power you have to empower others on your TEAM. I don't think Donnie Fowler is a power sharer ... he is a power consolidator and will fail crucial leadership tests because he does't have the keys to the secrets of leadership.

So there are my reasons for supporting Simon Rosenberg and how I look at the qualifications / skills / integrity that a DNC Chair and our party needs.

The BlogSpace Community should support Simon Rosenberg and I know that others will come to the same conclusion as I have if they seriously look at what a DNC Chairman needs to be skilled in.

Here's Rosenberg's site:  http://www.simonforchair.org/

I don't feel like being sick as hell again like I was in November 2004 when Bush and Rove and the RNC beat our brains out.

Go with Rosenberg ... he won't let out Ass get kicked by the Elephant.

I think Democratic Dad makes a strong argument for Simon--and I think he is terrific. I hope that nothing in my post indicated otherwise. I went into the caucus with a pretty open mind, I think. I was more impressed by Dean than I thought I would be--after all, I did NOT support him in the last election. I continue to have concerns about how well he will play in places like Kansas--but I also see a big potential upside in terms of the public face and excitement he might generate. And a big potential downside, too, I suppose. I really haven't made up my mind on that--I just know he would be light years better than the Roemer/Webb/Frost insider status quo approach.
My ONE concern with Simon vis a vis Donnie is that "public face" aspect of the job. Especially now, I think the chair is likely (or needs to be) the public face of the party, and I think Fowler MAY be more compelling in that regard.  But I also think Rosenberg has a great vision (and great practical experience) for party building.  I think the car designer/car mechanic analogy is a well turned phrase, but I wonder if the role of DNC chair might not be one where you also need a strong car SALESMAN in the public eye? Is that Rosenberg? or Fowler? or Dean?  I think it comes down to what we think the most important role of the DNC chair is--and frankly, I am not sure of that yet. I just know we need a change from the way we have been doing things--and these three all offer that, I do believe.

by Democratic Dad on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 05:14:22 PM EST


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