DNC News

Hours after Howard Dean's announcement, Joe Trippi endorses Simon Rosenberg on MSNBC's Hardball. As I mentioned to Joe, when I talked with him briefly before he went on the show this evening, what the hell was he thinking?  Trippi, in a pause after I told him what the perception would be on the web (see Daily Kos diary comments), said that he'd made the arrangement to endorse Rosenberg a week in advance of the show. OK, regardless, the perception is there. And it's a perception of inauthenticity.

I don't know if we all owe a lot to Joe, but I do, as he was the one who listened to me, back in the winter of 2002, tell him that the Dean campaign strategy at the time (Ridder's 3-state ground game, which laid the framework for Dean's later netroots-excluded defeat in Iowa) was stupid, and that he needed to adopt a decentralized netroots blogging campaign. Trippi listened, he understood the strategy that was laid out, and then he pushed it farther than I imagined possible, in creating the breakthrough & revolutionary Presidential campaign of this era. And you know, back in the Spring and Summer of 2003, when Markos and I would show up at places like the DNC and Democratic-leaning orgs preaching the netroots gospel, Simon was the one person with the door wide open to us from the get-go, willing to embrace the changes. Both of these guys are the mentors that opened doors.

The endorsement, on this day, might impress the pundits, but here on the net, the subtle is obvious and the covert is wide open. The endorsement of Rosenberg by Trippi on this day reads like Joe using Simon to slap back at Howard Dean. Anyway, that's Hardball.

Also, Simon's got more endorsements ("national figures") coming tomorrow. Apparently, the DGA endorsement is totally up in the air now, with little consensus. And in a PR move that Stoller's not going to like hearing, Donnie Fowler announced that he would launch a "Podcasting" series of "FireWire Chats" as a high-tech means of directly engaging grassroots Democrats. That's what you get for telling the opposition your ideas Matt, lol.

More, besides Zephyr's wonderful Wings on the Donkey endorsement of Dean below, Ezra Klein from Pandagon got his wish for Dean in the race, and (sorta surprisingly because he's rarely taken a candidate stance), Kevin Drum endorses Howard Dean For DNC Chair.



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Fowler still "talking at" netroots? (none / 0)

Do you need to be able to format a hyperlink to podcast?
by blogswarm on Tue Jan 11, 2005 at 10:18:45 PM EST

Re: Fowler still "talking at" netroots? (none / 0)

No pictures?
by fightforamerica on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:37:05 AM EST
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Re: Fowler still "talking at" netroots? (none / 0)

at least this one wasn't an anonymous post.
"into your illusion, i make my intrusion"
by fng on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 04:55:06 PM EST
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Wow. (3.00 / 1)

I'm beginning to hate politics. I feel so strongly about Dean, and positively about what he could do for the party. Then Trippi does this. I'm both shocked and pissed all at once.

The last thing I want now is another Dean vs. Gep deathmatch, substituting Rosenburg for Gep. Last time it earned us a lack luster safe campaign and a loss. We can't do that anymore. If Dean and Rosenburg cancel each other out, we get Roemer.

Damn. Iowa has got some serious Karma.

Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Tue Jan 11, 2005 at 10:57:16 PM EST

Damn Right (3.00 / 1)

Rosenberg is another centrist loser, but I've lost faith that the national party has a clue. You would think, after Kerry and Gore's Happy Meal strategy of going to the middle did so poorly these guys wouldn't have the balls to show themselves again...but guess what? They're still around making up the same tired excuses. At this point I think Rosenberg will probably win which will mean I'm going Green Party. I'm so confident this pro-business "liberalism" will never work, I'd rather be affiliated with losers whose policies at least I agree with.

And Joe Trippi needs to never do another TV appearance, for the sake of the party. He's the epitome of the right's stereotype regarding liberals: effete sissy.

by spectator consumer on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:57:15 AM EST
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Hmm... (none / 0)

...this thread is depressing. Interesting but depressing. And by "interesting", I mean interesting in the same way that watching a loved one get wheeled into the E.R. is "interesting".

This whole scenario (e.g., infighting over which lane to get in, while arguing about what's for lunch, while the wheels are coming off our 1973 Gremlin) brings to mind an honest question I asked about a week ago ("Where's the line to be drawn?"), in response to a dairy Chris Bowers posted on Kos ("Fuck off Democrats"). Didn't get a lot of responses back then, but I'd love to hear some more opinions on it if anyone has the time and/or inclination (there's even a poll if you don't want to take the time to craft a response). Please forgive the appearance of self-whoring, am just trying to gauge the level of angst, resistance/desire level to change, etc regarding politics and party and this seemed like as good a place as any to check in at.</deflected interruption>
by cgilbert01 on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 01:30:56 PM EST
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Rosenberg is a little more than that. (none / 0)

If we have to be stuck with a centrist, Rosenberg is probably the best one to be stuck with. He's the most willing to be flexible in tactics.

I prefer Dean by quite a bit, but I'd take Rosenberg over Roemer and Frost.

by afs on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 02:38:59 PM EST
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Trippi's Revolution Will Be Televised (none / 0)

Or else he is out of a job.  MSNBC doesn't pay him to support his old boss. Trippi lost a lot of his credibility when he sold his soul to the corporate media.
by donna in evanston on Tue Jan 11, 2005 at 11:14:01 PM EST

surprising (none / 0)

I posted my commentary along with the transcript.  Caught me off-guard.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Jan 11, 2005 at 11:19:35 PM EST

The Case Against Simon Rosenberg (3.00 / 1)

The Case Against Simon Rosenberg

http://mars.typepad.com/no_retreat_no_surrender/2004/11/the_case_agains.html

This is the guy who want's to be the chair of the DNC?!  How fast can you say "Dean".

"For instance, he gave the RNC ammo on John Gibson's show on Fox News, Sept. 9th of this year. Rosenberg said "I think the debate that is not happening is whether or not the war was a good idea. The war was a good idea. I think the American people were behind the President." In that same interview with John Gibson Rosenberg said "The President was resolute and strong in his decision to go to war. He may also have been wrong in the way they executed it." Rosenberg's problem is that he says the President MAY have been wrong in the way he executed that while our candidate was very clear that the President WAS wrong. This kind of statement illustrates how Rosenberg cannot lead a strong, aggressive opposition party, which is essential in today's DNC chair....."

END SNIP

by leschwartz on Tue Jan 11, 2005 at 11:24:00 PM EST

Re: The Case Against Simon Rosenberg (none / 0)

So brutal dictators are good things and we shouldn't want them out of power in this world?
by dorsettty on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:07:27 AM EST
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distortion (none / 0)

if you don't know how wrong your comment is, you should.  

OF COURSE brutal dictators are things to be abhorred.   the questions is: was this brutal dictator (saddam) a threat to us?  the answer is - quite obviously by now - NO.  containment was working.  he did NOT have WMDs.  he was NOT connected to 9-11.

what, are we going to be team america world police and overthrow every single brutal dictator reigning at this time?  i would love to be able to do that but it is unrealistic to think we can take them all on.

on top of that - and this is why your question is so wrong - going to war with iraq was NEVER related to whether saddam was a brutal dictator.  you know as well as i do that the reason we went to war was because "iraq was an immediate threat to the US, they had WMDs aimed at us, and they supported the 9-11 terrorists".  that is straight bullcrap and that should be obvious to everyone by now.  it was only AFTER those reasons became obvious lies that the whole "brutal dictator" argument was put forth as a rationale.  and that rationale becomes obviously hypocritical when you consider uzbekistan - who's brutal dictator BOILS dissenters ALIVE - is an ally in the so-called war on terror.

to ask "well wasn't it a good idea to overthrow a brutal dictator" is to buy into the current republican frame of the issue.

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by annatopia on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:34:57 AM EST
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You're a Democrat? (none / 0)

You're spouting a BushCo. cliche regarding this amazingly stupid war. If you think this was about the brutatlity of Saddam, you're seriously off the deep end. We've used cluster bombs, we've used white phosphorous, we've targeted hospitals, tortured the Iraqis like animals, we've censored and faked their news and should I add, Saddam is gone and yet we continue. Brutality? You think we're doing this for humanitarian reasons...you have to be shitting me.
by spectator consumer on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:11:12 PM EST
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Trippi's stupid play could get us Roemer (none / 0)

This makes the "visionary" wing of the party look split, shattered and stuck in a scrum. Roemer is the one who will benefit from the appearance of a war between internet factions.

Another stupid move by Trippi. Just like the ones where he decided he didn't feel the need to oversee the training of the ground team in Iowa, and to make national TV ad buys.

by afs on Tue Jan 11, 2005 at 11:32:24 PM EST

Re: Trippi's stupid play could get us Roemer (none / 0)

I don't think that its that simple.  Roemer will not have any support.  No matter how much they hate him, they need Dean and his supporters. All this does is just muddy the waters for a time, but Dean still owns a strong hand. He needs to figure out where the other strong opposition will come from though.  There will be more I predict. Trippi just killed the rest of his career in my opinion.  Who is going to want to use him after turning on his boss like this?  And if he is controlled by others (DNC, MSNBC) all the more true.  He is too ugly to stay on tv long.  Hope he likes his farm.
by SwimmereToFreedom05 on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 01:59:03 AM EST
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Re: Trippi's stupid play could get us Roemer (none / 0)

I agree, and Trippi seems really pissed at me that I said so.
by jgrr on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 05:27:33 PM EST
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Who owes whom? (none / 0)

Sounds like Joe owes Jerome to me...

"I don't know if we all owe a lot to Joe, but I do, as he was the one who listened to me, back in the winter of 2002, tell him...that he needed to adopt a decentralized netroots blogging campaign."

by candace in sonoma on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:49:59 AM EST

Re: Who owes whom? (none / 0)

Nah, he paid up.
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 05:40:15 PM EST
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Trippi's Game (none / 0)

So, Jerome, do you buy Trippi's story that this his endorsement was scheduled independent of Dean's announcement?  I'm pretty sure that it's one of those things that even if true will not be believed.  Whatever the truth is, this play doesn't make Trippi look good.  I wonder if he knows that.

There are two ironclad rules in political relationships: 1) Show loyalty even if you don't feel it, and 2) Don't violate Rule 1.

And what is Trippi's game?  Is he looking for a gig at DNC?  Why would anyone who can pontificate for money on MSNBC, and sell the occasional book, want to enter the faceless, thankless world of national party work?

by James Earl on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:56:53 AM EST

Re: Trippi's Game (none / 0)

I don't know. He should blog more.
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 10:03:30 AM EST
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Simon (none / 0)

I like Simon Rosenberg's ideas. I won't cry if he's our new chairman. I prefer Howard Dean, but Rosenberg's got some good ideas. If Roemer is chair, though, I will become an Independent and slit my wrists.
by raginillinoian on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 01:09:07 AM EST

Payback? (none / 0)

--Sad I guess. Trippi would have gotten more out of supporting Dean instead of trying to kill his bid.  If Dean wins, where is he?  If Dean loses, who will trust him and still, where is he? Poison. Regretable but not surprising. If Dean is chosen there will be even more ruthless politics I predict.  The doc plays hardball and he will get hardball.  So be it.
by SwimmereToFreedom05 on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 01:54:24 AM EST

Re: Payback? (none / 0)

Trippi is the new Bob Shrum.
by KimPossible on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:07:13 AM EST
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Side note... Kos better hope Rosenberg wins (none / 0)

Trippi made the Dean/Rosenburg match-up personal by announcing his endorsement the same day. There has been way too much glee on Kos about the Trippi endorsement, including quite a bit of cheering over the timing. Looks like Kos is playing his hand to draw to an inside straight. Not smart. If longshot Rosenberg doesn't win, Kos is left on a sandbar.
by afs on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 02:44:28 AM EST

Re: Side note... Kos better hope Rosenberg wins (none / 0)

Oh get a grip.  Kos is a freakin' blogger.  He's been wrong on pretty much every prediction he's made and his site is as popular as ever.
by rtung on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:07:42 AM EST
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Re: Side note... Kos better hope Rosenberg wins (none / 0)

I didn't mean site popularity. I meant his own campaign for the mythical "seat at the table" within the party.
by afs on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 10:43:26 AM EST
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Being wrong is permissible in the commentariat! (none / 0)

Being wrong doesn't disqualify one from being a commentator. Pundits are wrong all the time. Why would bloggers be any different?

Generally, a big reason for making wrong predictions is having an interest in the outcome. In this regard, bloggers are simply unpaid pundits.

by mindgeek on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 02:52:49 PM EST
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Good Ol' Judas Trippi (none / 0)

I think in Dean's mind Joe Trippi will forever be Judas, ratting him out to the Pharisee Democrats. Dean was personally hurt about how Trippi dealt with  him, and I don't know who's fury is more justified.

What bothers me is that this sort of pettyness is why the Democrats lose. There does not need to be a "coronation" but if all the players want is payback we end up with another divided party. Another broken, barely focused DNC. Dean's best asset is the fact that if he is Chair, he gets almost the role of a shadow presidency in the media. He will not reinvent the wheel as far as the Committee goes.

But as pure, technical minds Tim Roemer or Simon Rosenburg might be even more skillful than Karl Rove or Ken Mehlman.

It's already clear that Iraq is lost, and Bush already blew his wad in "political capital" by eschewing tax reform this year to destroy Social Security and judicial nominations. Terry McAuliffe is giddy with the thought of bankrolling Tim Kaine in Virginia. Kerry's defeat makes it much easier for Democrats of all stripes to say, "so much for playing nice".

Still, if rivalries like Trippi and Dean's are not resolved, it won't matter who is Chair. After all it was a Republican President who said, "a house divided against itself cannot stand".

by risenmessiah on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 03:48:26 AM EST

Disturbing (none / 0)

comments about kossian glee re:Rosenberg/Dean. Even before the sickening results in November I'd sworn off most political sites excepting Liberal Oasis and MyDD. dKos in particular gagged me with its excessive population of political poseurs participating in a circle-jerk echo chamber.  Noted early in the cycle that most wiser heads or at least the contributors I valued were drifting away.

Glad I've stayed away and maintained scaled-down attention to authentic voices: Dean, MyDD who led me to discover him, and Liberal Oasis. The best of the best.

by rodean on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 08:17:25 AM EST

Amen to that! (none / 0)

The quote of the day as far as I'm concerned:

...political poseurs participating in a circle-jerk echo chamber.

Although, dKos is good for a laugh (albeit more often than not lately, its a derisive slap-your-own-forehead, you-people-can't-be-serious laugh).

Meanwhile, thread titles at Atrios - er, pardon me - Eschaton - seem to be limited to one sentence or less. Maybe a prepositional phrase if you're lucky. Hard to divine content from that. Pretty cats, though.

by Rabid Child on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:05:13 PM EST
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Re: Disturbing (none / 0)

Yeah, Kos and all the other blogs are in the tank, and thank God there's nothing remotely approaching a circle jerk echo chamber here or in Dean land.    Certainly anybody who disagrees with me is truly inauthentic, GOP lite, pathetic, Spineless, and not worthy of life on Earth.

I will have my own kingdom someday, and you will be invited.

by Andmoreagain on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 02:18:32 PM EST
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Re: Disturbing (none / 0)

For the most part, I do my best to stay away from dkos as they continually bash me for being DLC or supporting Joe in the primaries.  This is the big tent party so that should not happen.

I have both DFA and CFK in my links so how can i be labeled anti-progressive is beyond me

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 01:22:34 AM EST
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Ist that all? (none / 0)

Just exactly HOW much did Trippi and his company make from skimming a percentage of Dean's Ad buys from the campaign? And isn't this isn't this one of the big pushbacks against Dean from the inside-the-beltway Dem consultants? That he's going to do away with their cushy lifestyle.

Let's not forget the bad blood between Trippi and Dean at the end of the campaign.

Fuck Trippi.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Denis Diderot
by Stoic on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 08:30:10 AM EST

Re: Ist that all? (none / 0)

Just exactly HOW much did Trippi and his company make from skimming a percentage of Dean's Ad buys from the campaign? And isn't this isn't this one of the big pushbacks against Dean from the inside-the-beltway Dem consultants? That he's going to do away with their cushy lifestyle.

How exactly do you know this?  Is Dean on the record here about consultants?

by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:16:05 AM EST
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totally unfair (none / 0)

Trippi listened, he understood the strategy that was laid out, and then he pushed it farther than I imagined possible, in creating the breakthrough & revolutionary Presidential campaign of this era. And you know, back in the Spring and Summer of 2003, when Markos and I would show up at places like the DNC and Democratic-leaning orgs preaching the netroots gospel, Simon was the one person with the door wide open to us from the get-go, willing to embrace the changes. Both of these guys are the mentors that opened doors.

The endorsement, on this day, might impress the pundits, but here on the net, the subtle is obvious and the covert is wide open. The endorsement of Rosenberg by Trippi on this day reads like Joe using Simon to slap back at Howard Dean. Anyway, that's Hardball.

Jerome, Trippi deserves better than what he's getting on the net.  The consistent stream of invective and calls that Trippi is all about greed is wrong, and you should say it's wrong.  People are saying Trippi blew the $40 million - you know that's not true.  

Dean can do no wrong, Trippi can do no right.  This is bullshit, plain and simple, cult of personality crap that is dangerous to a party.

It's conceivable that Trippi believes that Dean wouldn't do a very good job as chair - you talked to him.  This could be a good faith disagreement about the future of the party, and frankly, Trippi at least deserves a hearing.  

This endorsement is a valid expression of a brilliant visionary who has worked his whole life in grassroots progressive politics.  I am disappointed that you are placing this at at the extreme level of the angriest Kossack who see red when anyone points out that Dean is just another guy.  What the hell was Trippi thinking?  You know what he was thinking, and it was pretty damn reasonable.  

by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:15:28 AM EST

Re: totally unfair (none / 0)

What I mentioned was the timing. And as they say, timing is everything, and everyone knows what this timing was about; and that being so, it says much less about Joe's belief in Simon than it does about Joe's spite against Dean.  

Whether or not the perception is unfair or not, you are running against a river with this sort of timing. Joe realized this, I pointed it out clearly to him, so he can deal with putting out his own fires that he starts.

I spoke about the perception, given the timing. That has nothing to do with being upset at Trippi, or backing Dean or Rosenberg. I have my choice of Dean, but I'm not really that emotionally involved with pitting Dean or Rosenberg.  I think that's a deadend alley for the forces of change. But thats really what the announcement did, being on this particular day, Trippi coming out for Simon just after Dean announced. You see that, right?  That could have easily been avoided.

by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:46:45 AM EST
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Re: totally unfair (none / 0)

On the timing you have a point, but it's a point about perception.  The scheduling was worked out awhile ago, and if you think Chris Matthews books people when they want and not when he wants, well, that's only true for people who actually have power, not Democrats.

My point, which you haven't addressed, is the mean-spirited vicious attacks on Trippi, along with the assertions that he wasted the money and made the ads.

You know that neither of these is true.  

by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:08:59 AM EST
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Re: totally unfair (none / 0)

Trippi is smart. I might blog about what's going down.
The Dean DNC Chair thing is really dirty, and Democrats better get smarter, quick.

Posted by Matt Stoller at January 11, 2005 09:34 PM

and what is this suppose to be....

POT MEET KETTLE

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:15:35 AM EST
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question (none / 0)

who wasted the money then?  wasn't it trippi mcmahon and squeier, of which joe is the trippi?  i'm seriously asking.

and what is simon's position on the aristocracy of consultants?  can you please link to it if it's online?  i'd be real curious to read it, if it exists, as it would directly affect TMS new media.

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by annatopia on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:38:54 AM EST
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Re: question (none / 0)

Simon paid his consultants a flat fee rather than a cut of media buys.
by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 03:58:52 PM EST
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that's good to hear (none / 0)

would he institute some sort of policy at the DNC that would weaken the power of that bunch of consultants?
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by annatopia on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 04:10:46 PM EST
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Re: totally unfair (none / 0)

The media was a problem in the campaign, for sure. And once again, one of perception. Everyone in the campaign knew it was there, how could we have the guy who was the campaign manager be the guy who's media firm ran the ads?  It was a ticking timebomb.

Id say that the biggest money got blown in Iowa, and it was a shared decision (not just Joe) by Trippi, McMahon, Dean and and the others there to make that decision That basically, everyone freaked out a week or two out when Dean's numbers dropped, and, old-style, they bought everything in site adwise (even children's cartoon channels). Plus, the campaign two weeks out threw a ton of money into bringing in out of state field to try and stop the collapse, and for ALOT of visibility for the stormers. The feeling being that it was all banked on Iowa by then anyway.

I sort of like Iowa though, and think that had we let the netroots work there, instead of excluding it, that we would have had a lot better chance.  But those were all decisions made before Trippi took over.

by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:53:37 AM EST
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banked on iowa (none / 0)

hey, isn't that how kerry won the nom?  i mean, we can't go criticising trippi for blowing his wad on iowa when that strategy worked for the other guy.

now granted there were other factors in kerry's victory (michael whouley for example), but i'm just sayin.

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by annatopia on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:55:36 AM EST
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Re: banked on iowa (none / 0)

Yea, I'm in agreement with you. One day, I'll write down exactly what happened in Iowa (from this person's opinion), but not today, it's too long and complicated!
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:00:25 PM EST
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Re: banked on iowa (none / 0)

you keep saying that.   where is the follow through, jerome?!?!?!?

:^P

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by annatopia on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:04:28 PM EST
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i have mixed feelings (none / 0)

look, i owe trippi, too.  he's always been really good to me, listened to my ideas, etc etc.

but my first reaction in hearing this was "et tu, trippi?"  i admit it, it hurts to see him do this.  but do i really think he's doing it out of spite?  no, not really.  

but there is bad blood between joe and howard and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.  it does not suprise me to see trippi endorse simon.

the only thing that really worries me about this is it has the potential to split the two camps, and that is why i think trippi made a bad move here.  rosenberg and dean supporters have so much in common - why are we fighting?!?!  

sure, let's blow our wads trying to take each other down while frost or roemer slips in.  yea, that's the ticket.  grrr

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by annatopia on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:53:48 AM EST
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OH.... PUUULLLEEEEAAASSSE!!! (none / 0)

Get a grip dude.

What did you think??? That everyone was going to fall at Rosenbergs feet just cuz "Joe said so"???

"you should say it's wrong"...sonny you are way out of line...are you daring to suggest that the owner of a blog should somehow "purge" dissenting arguments????

What I wanna know MATT is what is the difference between Rosenberg's NDN and the DLC "you ahould say"...what it is ... if there is any difference at all

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 10:58:16 AM EST
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Re: OH.... PUUULLLEEEEAAASSSE!!! (none / 0)

Your oppo research is fun, but not welcome.
by Matt Stoller on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:04:37 AM EST
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Re: OH.... PUUULLLEEEEAAASSSE!!! (none / 0)

so fun that you refuse to answer
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:10:23 AM EST
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Re: OH.... PUUULLLEEEEAAASSSE!!! (none / 0)

Trippi is smart. I might blog about what's going down.

The Dean DNC Chair thing is really dirty, and Democrats better get smarter, quick.

Posted by Matt Stoller at January 11, 2005 09:34 PM

and what is this suppose to be....

POT MEET KETTLE

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:12:31 AM EST
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Re: totally unfair (none / 0)

As a heavy Dean volunteer during the Primaries, I felt personally betrayed by how bad the television ads were and how poorly organized Iowa was.  Both of these were Trippi's fault,* and so while I definitely recognize Trippi's major successes, I find his endorsement for a position which is centered around media and field to be something less than perfect.  I would've liked to have him on board, but it wouldn't have been a big deal there either.

*to a greater or lesser extent

by Kimmitt on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 04:12:02 PM EST
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Being Chair would effectively muzzle Dean. (none / 0)

I agree with Trippi. Dean should be free to speak.

Isn't a Party Chair the chief strategist, organizer, tactician, fundraiser? Those are not Dean's strengths.

Best list of reasons to support Rosenberg I've seen yet: http://gadflyer.com/flytrap/index.php?Week=200502#1367

FWIW. I'm a just a newbie.

by lisaeo on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 09:50:42 AM EST

I like Dean focus on candidate development (none / 0)

Dean has been excellent on the subject of development of entry level candidates in the party. I think that's been his greatest strength at DFA. He's used his political capital to convince people to run for office themselves. The national party has been very weak in this regard of late. The national party has been putting too much focus on recruiting "finished" candidates from outside politics. The real future of our party is in finding more Harry Trumans who rise up from our County organizations. We can't plan on catching lightning in a bottle using Senate and Governor seats as entry level positions. Those situations are the exception to the rule. You cannot base the future of the party on that.
by afs on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:12:29 AM EST
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Voting system (none / 0)

What kind of voting system is the DNC election?  I would hope it's some sort of runoff system to prevent Roemer from winning with 1/3 of the vote, but I haven't found it anywhere.
by ZamboniGuy on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 10:10:28 AM EST

Thoughts on the endorsement (none / 0)

Can't say that I was especially stoked about Howard Dean's decision to pursue the chair position. Here is part of what I wrote yesterday at Kos:



Truthfully, as far as the DNC chair issue is concerned, I am in wait and see mode. I am not as excited about Howard Dean pursuing the chair position as many of the other longtime Dean supporters seem to be. I've been thinking that the Democratic party and I might need to "see other people" for a while. At very least, I plan to learn more about the Ohio Green Party. And I really don't have it in me to throw myself into another battle against the "Anybody But Dean" faction of the party. If they do choose him, cool. But I think I'll sit out the roller coaster ride leading up to that decision. My stomach only recently settled down from the last wild ride.



But just as I as beginning to enjoy the idea of really having nothing to say about the DNC chair race, thus freeing me to focus my attention on something other than politics for a little while, the Trippi endorsement comes along. And actually, the endorsement didn't even bother me--it fit pretty well with what I had already come to think about the man, his character, and his motivations. But then ttagaris wrote this in a Kos diary:


Regardless of any mistakes that might have been made during the Dean campaign, Joe Trippi revolutionized the way campaigns will be run at every level from here on out. The movement Trippi started with the Dean campaign will forever be remembered as the genesis of a participatory democracy that will hopefully flourish in the "post-modern" world of politics.


For him to talk about Simon's future vision for the party with such high praise, well, that carries weight with me.


What are your thoughts on the endorsement?


Very spirited discussion followed, of course. My comment ended up being way too long, so I diaried it here.


by Renee in Ohio on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 10:19:05 AM EST

Re: Thoughts on the endorsement (none / 0)

you are right and alot of Dean supporters feel the same..because we know our guy should have been taking the oath of office on January 20th.

I trust Dean and I struggled myself with this decision...what I came up with is that I will be there for him no matter what because he is a rare breed.

Dean would not run out of the country when it's citizens needed him to "do the right thing"...in fact the disappointment people see Dean taking this position is exactly why so many are disgusted in Kerry.

Kerry never meet an opportunity he did not like...Kerry has no qualms turning his back on the REAL NEEDS of the population for a moment of self promotion or a photo op. Dean works where he is NEEDED most not where he can get the most.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 11:09:58 AM EST
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DGA endorsement and Richardson (none / 0)

I'm not high on Richardson right now given the inability to deliver his state to Kerry, but he's clearly hungry and has something to prove -- a great motivating combination.

As to the DGA's desire to become "everything ACT was trying to become" is quite intriguing. While the promise of ACT is great, it suffers from one great problem -- it focuses all its attentions in battleground states. We need an organization that can build an effective GOTV machine, a la GOP's 72 hour program, in all 50 states. This'll be a topic to explore in a subsequent post.

Is this a KOS shot across the bow aimed at Richardson endorsing Rosenberg...sure sounds like it? Kerry was a hard sell for anyone.

Question: What states did Kerry win that Gore lost???

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:41:22 PM EST

Re: DGA endorsement and Richardson (none / 0)

New Hampshire. Kerry lost Iowa and New Mexico.
by PsiFighter37 on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 02:06:31 PM EST
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Aw, but the real question is (none / 0)

What states did the canidates on the left do better in 2004 than the canidates on the left did in 2000?

The answer is: Almost none, and none that were anywhere near close.  New Hampshire is one of two states where if Nader wasn't running in 2000, and half his voters voted for Gore (with the other half staying home), Gore would have won (guess which one the other one was).  The point is, Kerry didn't do anything special to win New Hampshire.

by Geotpf on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 03:46:34 PM EST
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forgot (none / 0)

link
Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 12:42:12 PM EST

How old did you say? (none / 0)

I think Trippi suffers from terminal childishness.  If you accept that, then all this lashing out stuff is simply an Attention Getting Device.  It will get attention from the likes of Rush I bet.  

For those who would like to see Dean punished, you may get your wish if he gets the chair.

by Bean on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 03:02:05 PM EST

Democrat Dads For Simon Rosenberg, DNC Chair (none / 0)

DNC CHAIRMAN

So really why did Joe Trippi go with Simon Rosenberg for DNC Chair and not Donnie Fowler or Howard Dean or others?

Short answer: Joe knows Simon has got the right stuff and can lead Democrats to victory.

It's not only Joe Trippi who has made this assesment but many others in our party also.

http://www.simonforchair.org/ is the site to learn more about Simon Rosenberg.

Take a look at all the DNC Chair Candidates and see for yourself which person is the best to lead Democrats to victory in 2006, 2008, and beyond.

Simon's got the intellect and the passion and a blueprint for victories. Joe sees that. Many of the other DNC Chair Candidates like Donnie Fowler and Howard Dean have got only the passion.

And as many Deanaholics should have learned ... it takes more than a passionate scream to win.

Will Simon play in Peoria? Will Simon pay among Democrat Dads>

As a Peorian and as a Dad ... the answer is yes.

I am a DEMOCRAT DAD For Simon

PS: I am also a Nascar Dad, a Scocer Dad, and a Jack Daniels Dad. I work, I go to church, I drink, and pray like hell that our country and the Democratic Party can bring us yet again to a country like John Kennedy wanted.

by Democrat Dad on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 03:10:43 PM EST

Re: Democrat Dads For Simon Rosenberg, DNC Chair (none / 0)

Rosenberg's credentials invariably include some measure of his success targeting Hispanic voters.

What, then, about the fact that 50% of first-time Hispanic voters cast their ballots for Bush?  

This doesn't sound like a Rosenberg success to me.

by DemDog on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 04:30:53 PM EST
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Re: Democrat Dads For Simon Rosenberg, DNC Chair (none / 0)

I would argue that Donnie has a lot more than just passion (even though that is a very huge party of being the DNC chair).  He has the experience.  He's been working in politics for the past 20 years and he's 38.  He will bring a fresh voice to the party, focusing on the entire party and not just the DC establishment.  From local to federal he will bring the party back to what it used to be, while still keeping up with the modern improvements that have proven to work (mostly the grassroots movement).  Donnie Fowler is the clear choice for DNC chair.
by Scott82 on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 12:50:25 PM EST
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Off Topic (none / 0)

But I don't know how else to reach you, Jerome.  I know you are doing a diary about the DNC forums (thanks!), so I thought you should know about the following e-mail I just received:

"I was informed a few days ago that the location for the DNC Midwest Regional Meeting has been changed.  It is now being held at the St. Louis Airport Hilton Hotel, 10330 Natural Bridge Road, St. Louis (phone: 314-426-5600).  The time for the meeting remains the same: 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.  

Alderman Joe Moore
Chicago, Illinois
Member, DNC Executive Committee"

You may already know this... Just passing it along.

by poemless on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 06:15:19 PM EST

Re: Off Topic (none / 0)

Thanks
by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jan 12, 2005 at 07:22:29 PM EST
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Open Letter to Joe Trippi, (none / 0)

Dear Joe,

I was with both you and Governor Dean since December of 2002.  I was the second person DFA hired in Iowa.  I would like to say that I signed on to work for the campaign because of Howard Dean period.

I joined his campaign because at a time when Democrats were afraid to speak out against the pending war against Iraq, Dean did.   I joined the campaign because at a time when Democrats were afraid to speak out against "No Child Left Behind," Dean did.  I joined the campaign because at a time when no Democrats spoke out against Bush's huge budget defcits, Dean did.

I have a lot of respect for you, Joe.  You worked Jones County for Kennedy in 1980.  I took you to Jones County in February of 2003, my mother filled a room with 75 Democrats when nobody had heard of Howard Dean, and listening to his unbridled message, the good Democrats of Jones County gravitated towards him.

Somewhere along the line we, the people who worked for DFA, did Howard Dean wrong.  Maybe we didn't have the best field plan, maybe we didn't have the best communications strategy, maybe we didn't guard our candidate closely enough, or maybe we didn't realize Kerry was our #1 opponent in Iowa untill it was too late.

Whatever the faults of our campaign were, we all share them, from you down to the field staffers I sent to places like Creston and Woodbine.  

Most of all, I get sick to my stomach every day knowing that the best man to lead our party out of the poll-driven comprimising wilderness back to the presidency was lost because I didn't do my job well enough.

It disgusts me to hear that you have endorsed another candidate for DNC chair.  We all bled for Howard Dean and to take our country back.  Our cause was bigger than you, me or Governor Dean himself.

People like me did not become Dean supporters because of you, Joe; sometimes I wonder if you realize that fact.  We signed on because Dean, to paraphrase you in your book "was the most progressive candidate who had a snowball's chance of winning."

You said it yourself, Howard Dean didn't find the internet, the internet found Howard Dean.  His campaign tapped into a deep-seating frustration and gave people hope.  You and I were just along for the ride.

You have no right to act in any way as mightier, smarter or above Howard Dean and what he can contribute to the Democratic Party.

Perhaps it is telling that Howard Dean can remember the names of those who fought for him in Iowa and you cannot.

You were a great asset in the campaign to taking this country back.  Now, you have betrayed our leader and, more importantly, you have betrayed what you claim to stand for; you have made this about you and not about taking our country back from the right-wing extremists who run our country.  

Shame on you, Joe Trippi.  Shame on you.

Sincerely,

Region 5

by Nate Willems on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 12:29:36 AM EST

Donnie Fowler for DNC Chair (none / 0)

Donnie Fowler is the most dynamic candidate for DNC chair.  The other candidates are great people who have helped the party in so many ways, but right now the party needs someone who can respect what the party used to be but also acknowledge the changing climate of the party and work to improve that, with new and creative ideas.  

Fowler has worked on six presidential campaigns, in the Clinton White House, campaign work in fourteen crucial states in presidential elections and technology work in Silicon Valley and across the country.  He will bring to the DNC chair experience from the way the party used to be and experience in the activities that are the parties future.  Obviously the grassroots movement proved that technology and the internet are huge to Democrats succeeding, and he has that experience.  Everything in his resume points to him being the only person with the capabilities to chair the DNC.  

On a personal note, what he did with the Clark campaign was amazing.  He not only took this grassroots movement of Draft Clark and turned it into a presidential campaign but also utilized both the previous grassroots movement and the traditional presidential campaign style.  He will bring the necassary change to the party and help bring the party back to where it should be.  www.changetheparty.com

by Scott82 on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 01:00:25 PM EST


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