Bush Is Up By Four

Seriously. Rasmussen has a great piece on the subject (emphasis in original):
For those who need to know the answer before the explanation, the bottom line is that the President is ahead by 4 to 5 points at this time. That's a significant improvement over the past few weeks, but not a double digit lead.

Our current poll (showing the President ahead by just over a point) includes a Saturday sample that is way out of synch with all the days before it and with the Sunday data that followed. In fact, Saturday's one-day sample showed a big day for Kerry while all the days surrounding it showed a decent lead for the President.

It seems likely that Saturday reflects a rogue sample (especially since it was over a holiday weekend). But, it remains in our 3-day rolling average for one more day (Tuesday's report). If we drop the Saturday sample from our data, Bush is currently ahead by about 4 percentage points in the Rasmussen Reports Tracking Poll.

That's still a smaller lead than shown by Time and Newsweek. Those polls appear to have the mirror image problem of a Los Angeles Times poll in June reportedly showing Kerry with a huge lead. That LA Times survey included too many Democrats in their sample. Today, it seems likely that Time and Newsweek included too many Republicans.

Time reports that Republicans will vote for Bush by an 89% to 9% margin; Democrats for Kerry by an 80% to 9% margin; and, unaffiliated voters for Bush 43% to 39%.

Four years ago, 35% of voters were Republicans, 39% were Democrats, and the rest were unaffiliated. If you apply those percentages to the Time internals, you find Bush up by about 3 percentage points. If you do the same with the Newsweek internal numbers, you find Bush with a six point lead. Those results are very close to the Rasmussen Reports data (excluding the Saturday sample).

All of this leads me to conclude that the President is currently ahead by 4 or 5 percentage points.

Combine this with Josh Marshall's inside info, and the new Gallup poll that shows Bush up 7 among LV's and 1 among RV's, and there can be little doubt about the current state of the race. Bush is up by four.

This is fairly good news, since Bush up four immediately after his convention means that his peak--the best he can possibly do--is probably a four point lead. Further, it means that Kerry will probably once again be tied with Bush soon as the bounce fades, and a challenger tied with an incumbent is always the favorite. Personally, I would rather that Kerry was a couple points closer in order to maintain the level of confidence I have had about this election over the past three and a half months, especially considering that the withering attacks against Kerry are only going to get worse. But this will have to do, and this is where things stand. This is probably going to be a close election.



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Rasmussen - 2 for 2 (none / 0)

Actually the Rasmussen 3 day average showed the same result Sunday as they did for Saturday and this means that after one more day the bump from the RNC will pass out the three day average and there's every chance it'll show Kerry up by 1-1.5 points.
by Anonymous Citizen on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 03:46:52 PM EST

Re: Bush Is Up By Four (none / 0)

Bush 52% (50%
Kerry 45% (47%)
LV
Gallup
by Anonymous Citizen on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 04:14:05 PM EST

You may notice (none / 0)

That I not only did I beat you to reporting this poll, but I reported the LV's and RVs, whereas you only did one.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 04:22:16 PM EST
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Re: You may notice (none / 0)

RV polls are worthless.
by Anonymous Citizen on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 06:34:48 PM EST
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Re: You may notice (none / 0)

This far out, LV polls are worthless.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 07:41:36 PM EST
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actually maybe the election isn`t over (none / 0)

it looks to me like bush has already lost a lot of the bounce.at best he may have a 4 point lead and democrats always come home at the end.also rasmussen has the lead down to 1 point.all this polling is confusing but the big media is pushing for bush`s re-election. it seems to me they played down the 7  deaths in iraq today. maybe i`m just a little paranoid.anyway we still have hope. also drudge reports kitty  kelly is saying bush did coke as recently as when his dad was president and laura likes to smoke a joint.should get interesting.
by EXBUSHVOTER on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 04:33:52 PM EST

KERRY'S NUMBERS LOOK GOOD ... (none / 0)

on rasmussen (pay the $49 for the premimum service) more is happening concerning Kerry ...
  • In the 16 Battleground states, Bush only has a razor-thin lead of 0.5 percentage points.
  • Bush and Kerry are nearly tied on FAVS/UNFAVS nationally
  • Kerry's FAVS among Indies are much better than Bush's nationally
  • Almost 1 out of 4 Republicans Says the Nation is Headed in the Wrong Direction nationally
this is race is tight. I am confident Kerry will make the close.
by Anonymous Citizen on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 08:06:16 PM EST

Re: KERRY'S NUMBERS LOOK GOOD ... (none / 0)

Bounce seems to be in NJ where Kerry is up by four..

http://www.race2004.net/states.php?state=NJ

In Michigan Kerry is up by four with no significant change from before the convention...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Michigan%20September%206.htm

In MN he is tied and in California Kerry is up by 8. When the NY Polls come, Kerry is probably up by 12 and in MO, Bush is probably ahead by 7 and in AR by 7. We can see the same thing happening in CO and TN.

If this sort of margin is maintained, who knows Kerry may still loose the popular vote and may end up winning the electoral college...not a pretty picture, but could happen if OH polls indicate that Bush is on average up by four and still on average under 50, and if Kerry and Bush are tied in PA.

by Anonymous Citizen on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 09:47:42 PM EST
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Jersey (none / 0)

NJ polls have been all over the place. In one week in mid-July, one poll had the race tied, and another had Kerry by 20.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 10:35:29 PM EST
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Re: KERRY'S NUMBERS LOOK GOOD ... (none / 0)

...So if you Bush wins the popular vote and Kerry wins the EC, will you still be saying that Bush is the President, as you have been saying about Gore these last four years?  Probably not, as Democrats flip-flop so much they can't see their own hypocrisy.
by Anonymous Citizen on Tue Sep 07, 2004 at 02:18:38 PM EST
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Re: KERRY'S NUMBERS LOOK GOOD ... (none / 0)

The reason people say Gore is president is because they think Gore really won Florida, not because more people voted for him overall.

by Geotpf on Tue Sep 07, 2004 at 03:51:34 PM EST
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After he posted this... (none / 0)

...the data for today (Tuesday) went to an exact tie-47.3% Bush 47.3% Kerry, better for Kerry than the two previous days.  This doesn't seem to me to justify his theory that it was one rogue day.  I guess we will see tommorow.
 
by Geotpf on Tue Sep 07, 2004 at 01:23:23 PM EST

Bush is up 4 points... (none / 0)

Let me remind you all that whether Bush is up 11 points or 4 points, he still wins!  As some of you were making the slanderous accustation that Karl Rove paid off Newsweek and TIME to push the numbers up, perhaps you should have been looking to Terry and Kerry--perhaps they've been paying off Rasmussen and Zogby to keep the numbers down.  Ever thought of that???
by Anonymous Citizen on Tue Sep 07, 2004 at 02:21:41 PM EST

Re: Bush is up 4 points... (none / 0)

Only problem with your theory is that Rasmussen is known to be a pro-GOP pollster (Zogby probably has a pro-Dem slant).

You are right, though.  If the choice is between incompetence, and fraud and scheming, usually incompetence is the correct answer.

by Geotpf on Tue Sep 07, 2004 at 03:54:08 PM EST
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