Gallup Poll "Likely Voter" Model Shows Negative Kerry Bounce

The full results are not out yet, and while I feel the registered voter model for Gallup is superior to their likely voter model, this is certainly disappointing:
In the survey, taken Friday and Saturday, the Democratic ticket of Kerry and John Edwards trailed the Republican ticket of Bush and Dick Cheney 50% to 46% among likely voters, with independent candidate Ralph Nader at 2%.

Before the convention, the two were essentially tied, with Kerry at 47%, Bush at 46%.

The change in support was within the poll's margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points in the sample of 763 likely voters. But it was nonetheless a stunning result, the first time in the Gallup Poll since the 1972 Democratic convention that a candidate seemed to lose ground at his convention.

USA TODAY extended its survey Sunday night and tonight to get a fuller picture of what's happening with the electorate.

50% equals Bush's highest standing in any poll with any methodology since the New Hampshire primary. Ugh.

In the comments to an earlier thread, The Election Before Election Day, an Anonymous Hero claims that a different poll shows Kerry 15 points ahead, but doesn't provide a link. Since I assume tht this is the same AH (Anonymous Hero) who frequiently posts polls without links, but who has always had accurate information, I am going to request that from now on s/he either stops posting the information, provides a link or at least explains where s/he is getting the info. Otherwise, her / his posts are both highly frustrating and bordering on copyright infringement.

Update Gallup is the only poll since Super Tuesday to show Bush either at or above 50. Specifically, the "likely voter" model in the Gallup poll is the only model of any poll to show Bush either at or above 50 since Super Tuesday.



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CNN Poll (1.00 / 1)

THIS IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DESERVES FOR NOMINATING TWO FO THE BIGGEST DIMWITS IN THE COUNTRY

Nominate Democrats like Bob Casey, Scoop Jackson, Sam Ervin,...uh never mind the good Dems are all dead....

SO IS THE PARTY!

by Anonymous Citizen on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 02:52:20 PM EST

Couple thoughts (none / 0)

"USA TODAY extended its survey Sunday night and tonight to get a fuller picture of what's happening with the electorate."

This is a HUGE red flag. This happens more often than most people think -- but usually the news organization waits until the additional calls are done before posting any results. I'm guessing CNN went and ran with the results this morning because they had promoted the first post-convention poll to death and had a program to fill. You VERY rarely (almost never) see a sentence like this in a poll story. It's essentially saying that they believe their sample is a bad one, so they're calling more people to try and correct the situation. Calling another two days is going to give them 1,500 respondents, which is WAY higher than their normal. There's actually no good reason to go that high, unless the first 750 don't work.

Keep in mind, calling for two additional days is very expensive. Believe me, they wouldn't be doing it unless they thought they had to. I'd love it for someone to do some real digging into this one, but I'm confident that it's CNN that has egg on its face right now.

by Anonymous Citizen on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 04:31:05 PM EST

Re: Couple thoughts (none / 0)

Right: "to get a fuller picture"  uh huh, lol.
by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 09:58:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

calm down and think for a second (none / 0)

--From Descrates at Dailykos
All this indicates is that, as with any major event, people--including the people reporting on the people--tend to be all over the place in their perceptions and opinions.
First, let's take a look at the three polls that have been released since friday.  Newsweek had one that covered the thursday before Kerry's speech and Friday.  This was a flash poll so take it for what it is worth--which isn't much.  Thursday (which was taken before Kerry's speech) the race was closer, while on friday the survey heavily favored Kerry.  Also Rasmussen had Kerry at 47 to Bush's 46--as reported on saturday.  Now Gallup has Kerry down on friday and Saturday 50 to 46 to 2.  However, check out Rasmussen (probably, the only really reliable indicator we have at this point) which has Kerry breaking 49, the only time either candidate has done so other than once earlier this month when Edwards was selected for VP. To leap from 47 to 49 on a three day tracking poll means Kerry would have had to pulled about 51 for the day--the same day as that Gallup poll was taken showing Bush with that substancial lead.
The simple fact is that everyone is all over the board right now.  Swing voters are notoriously mercurial and known not to take politics as seriously as other voters do.  It's going to take several days for these individuals to settle into a lasting impression Kerry.  Yet, also, the polling organizations are all over the place right now--obviously scrambling to come up with something for the news organizations to report.  Remember, they don't work for comsumers--at least Newsweek and Gallup don't--they work for the news companies.  We'll just have to sit back and wait for a while till a reliable poll does come out.
I think its safe to say at this point that Matthew Dowd was being highly optomistic in his projection of Kerry's post convention bounce, but then, he's like that.
 
by Anonymous Citizen on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 05:19:32 PM EST

also (none / 0)

--From Descrates
kerry leads 50 to 47 in the registered voters model on the Gallup.  according to MSNBC's website.
by Anonymous Citizen on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 05:31:47 PM EST

KERRY GETS A MINUS 5% Bounce (1.00 / 1)

KERRY GETS A MINUS 5% Bounce

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypolls.htm

MINUS (-5%)% BOUNCE..LOL

Kerry/ Edwards Bush/ Cheney Other Neither No opinion
Likely Voters
2004 Jul 30-31 47 50 * 1 2
2004 Jul 19-21 49 47 * 2 2
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypolls.htm

by Anonymous Citizen on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 09:00:14 PM EST

KERRY BEATS McGOVERN's -3% Bounce (1.00 / 1)

BREAKING NEWS

KERRY BEATS McGOVERN's -3% Bounce

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KERRY gets a -5% Bounce

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Convention Bounces  
      Net Change
2000 Rep. Bounce Bush +6 Gore -5 Bush +11
2000 Dem. Bounce Gore +10 Bush -9 Gore +19

1996 Rep. Bounce Dole +8 Clinton -7 Dole +15
1996 Dem. Bounce Clinton +4 Dole -1 Clinton +5

1992 Dem. Bounce Clinton +14 Bush -16 Clinton +30
1992 Rep. Bounce Bush +6 Clinton -10 Bush +16

1988 Dem. Bounce Dukakis +7 Bush -4 Dukakis +11
1988 Rep. Bounce Bush +6 Dukakis -5 Bush +11

1984 Dem. Bounce Mondale +9 Reagan -7 Mondale +16
1984 Rep. Bounce Reagan +4 Mondale -4 Reagan +8

1980 Rep. Bounce Reagan +8 Carter -5 Reagan +13
1980 Dem. Bounce Carter +10 Reagan -7 Carter +17

1976 Dem. Bounce Carter +9 Ford -7 Carter +16
1976 Rep. Bounce Ford +4 Carter -3 Ford +7

1972 Dem. Bounce McGovern 0 Nixon +3 McGovern -3
1972 Rep. Bounce Nixon +7 McGovern -1 Nixon +8

1968 Rep. Bounce Nixon +5 Humphrey -9 Nixon +14
1968 Dem. Bounce Humphrey +2 Nixon -2 Humphrey +4

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/dnc_convention_bounce_040725.html

by Anonymous Citizen on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 09:11:56 PM EST

MSNBC and Newsweek (none / 0)

According to polls posted in DailyKos, MSNBC had Kerry up 54-41 on Friday and Newsweek had him up 52-44. I think that while those might settle, Gallup is off. And, probably the Sunday polling had a negative effect.
Rant Du Jour
by myjlf on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 11:11:15 PM EST

47-47-3 (RV, with Nader) (none / 0)

with REGISTERED voters, result is 47-47-3

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypolls.htm

by Anonymous Citizen on Sun Aug 01, 2004 at 11:38:43 PM EST

Gallup (none / 0)

Also you should look at Gallup
and see it was only during
the day Saturday they were
going to poll Saturday evening and Sunday
poll.

Also, this is one on them CNN GALLUP
Schneider special. Not just GALLUP.

I have long suspected Schneider
plays games with his polls to
reach outcomes and sometimes
just to get attention.

Remember Schneider had Bush up by
15 less than 5 days before
the election.

And then day before that figure
was down to like 2.

I think he simply was playing
with the figures and then
shifted to more realistic
figure right before the election
to maintain credibility.

by Anonymous Citizen on Mon Aug 02, 2004 at 12:06:21 AM EST

Copyright infringment!?!? (none / 0)

Otherwise, her / his posts are both highly frustrating and bordering on copyright infringement.

I understand your frustration at links not being posted, but your comment about it "bordering on copyright infringement" seems to me to be absurd.  Fair use is fair use, whether or not one provides specific credit or a hyperlink.  The Anonymous Hero, after all, is not claiming that the posted information was his or her own work.

Annoying, but not illegal by a long shot.

unfutz
by Ed Fitzgerald on Mon Aug 02, 2004 at 02:09:44 AM EST


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