You Don't Know Shit About Iraq

Sometimes, late at night, you remember things you have tried to forget. These things can be pieces of your past or simple truths about the world you have a difficult time facing. For me, this article makes it impossible to forget one of those things.

I originally produced this for a diary at dailykos. I was pissed off at the time, which goes some way toward explaining how, despite its length, it only took me two hours to write. Now that my blogging "career" has advanced, I'm self-promoting it, because I believe it needs to be told. I think it is especially relevant during a weekend when we honor those who have died in war, and when people are still dying in a war we started.

Here is a link to the frankly astonishing discussion that followed its original presentation. Come back and post your comments here, because that discussion has been "dead" for a month.

It's about time that I sat down and told you this. I was hoping it wouldn't have to be me, but someone needed to finally do it. For quite some time now, you have been going off about what we "need" to do in Iraq. You have been telling us "how things are going over there", and making suggestions and proclamations about "what we need to do" based on what you seem to believe is a wealth of knowledge about the situation.

Well, I'm here to finally tell you what you what no one else seems willing to say: you don't know shit about Iraq. In fact, you don't even know how much shit there is about Iraq that you don't know.

For starters, you don't speak Arabic. In fact, there's a pretty good chance you don't even know someone who speaks Arabic. Further, you probably don't even know what percentage of Iraqis speak Arabic. I know for damn certain that you don't speak Kurdish. Farsi? I won't even go there.

Second, you have never been to Iraq. You may have seen a few maps on TV, but you have never actually been there. There is even a reasonable chance that you could not identify Iraq on a blank map. Almost certainly you do not know which countries border Iraq, without looking at a map. It's very likely you have never met anyone from Iraq, even if you have seen a few on TV.

Third, you probably know fuck all about Islam. You don't know what the word means in Arabic. You don't know the difference between Sunni and Shiite Islam. You don't know which type of Islam is more common in the region or in the world. You don't known when Ramadan is. You don't know when Muslims pray. You don't know where Mecca and Medina are. You don't know why those two cities are so important in the religion. You don't know when Mohammad lived. You have never read the Koran. You probably have even read part of it. You don't know what Islam forbids, or what is permitted. You have maybe one Muslim friend.

Fourth, you have no clue about the history of the region. You have never heard of the Ottoman Empire. You don't know about regional politics and the nineteenth century. You don't know what the British did in Iraq. You don't know about WWI in the region. You don't know when Iraq became independent. You don't know when Saddam Hussein took power. Even though you were alive the entire time, you don't know when the Iran-Iraq war took place. Before the war started, you only knew the same of one city in Iraq--Baghdad.

Fifth, you have no fucking idea what our military capability actually is. You couldn't even guess within 300,000 troops how many are available for active duty. You have no idea how many are deployed in different parts of the world. You don't know the location of more than three military bases. You don't know what type of weaponry, armor and vehicles the military currently uses. You don't even know the order of ranks among enlisted men in the Marines. Hell, you don't know if the Marines are part of the Army or if they are a separate branch of the armed services. You don't know what the military budget is. You don't know what congressional committees oversee military activities. You don't know how long a standard tour of duty lasts. You don't know the demographic composition of the armed forces.

Sixth, you don't know anything about the so-called "Iraqi resistance." You don't know what their motives are. You don't know what their goals are. You don't know how many of them there are. You don't know what groups they are affiliated with. You don't know how many are native Iraqis, how many are not from Iraq, or how many used to be part of Saddam's regime. You don't know what kind of tactics they use. You don't know how much public support they have. You don't know if they are one group or several groups. You don't know their political or religious beliefs. You don't know if they are losing strength or gaining strength.

Seventh, you don't have the slightest clue about the structure of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. You don't know where they operate. You don't know where their funding comes from. You don't know their plans. You don't know their strengths or weaknesses. You don't know which organizations operate out of which countries. You don't know what their goals are. You don't know where they draw their recruits. You don't know how many people hate them and how many people sympathize with them. You don't know what connections they have with each other or with current regimes. You don't know how these organizations are run, or if there are factional splits within them. You don't know the names of more than three of their leaders. You probably could not even write a definition of the word "terrorist."

Eighth, you probably have never been a civilian in a war zone. You saw the attacks of 9/11 on television, but you probably didn't experience them, or know anyone who did. Your town has probably never been bombed or invaded. You have never seen your country overthrown in a violent coup. You have probably never lived under a dictatorship. You almost certainly do not know what its like to face jail simply for speaking up for your beliefs.

Ninth, you know absolutely nothing about Iraqi public opinion. You don't know what people over there are thinking. You don't know what people are thinking in different regions of the country. You don't know what they would like to see in a government. You have no idea what their idea of justice and democracy is. You may have heard a snippet of a poll or two, but since you don't know how those polls were conducted, what the methodology is, and how scientific such a poll is in relation to other polls, you really have no fucking clue what even the so called "general" sentiment is. You don't know how many Iraqis welcome the presence of U. S. troops. You don't know how many Iraqis wish U.S. troops harm. You don't know what people there are thinking, and you probably never will.

Tenth, you almost certainly do not know what its like to face combat. There is a decent chance that you know someone how is facing combat, but you can't understand what s/he is going through.

Eleventh, what little you do know, or what little you think you know, comes entirely from the mass media. You might question the way the media presents its stories, but you make no real effort to find information from other sources. Hell, you don't even follow the events in the mass media that closely. Maybe a couple of times a week you will actually watch the news all the way through. You know more about "Friends" or "American Idol," than you know bout recent events in Iraq. You certainly have never actually watched or read anything from Al-Jazeera; even though you often deride the way it covers the news.

Twelfth, despite your frequent claims otherwise, you can't possibly have the slightest idea how things in Iraq will change as time progresses. No one knows that. You cannot see into the future. You don't know how it all will end. You don't know what will happen next.

Thirteenth, you know jackshit about the United Nations and international diplomacy. You don't know which countries are in the "Arab League." You can't name even half of the members of the U.N. Security Council. You don't know when the U.N. was founded, and you have never read the U.N. charter. You don't know where U.N. troops are currently deployed. You don't know the budget of the U.N., and you don't know where that money comes from. You don't understand U.N. voting procedures. Maybe, just maybe you know what city the U.N. headquarters are in. you certainly don't know all the members of NATO, the EU, or the "non-aligned" movement.

Fourteenth, you definitely do not know "what the world thinks about the U. S." You do not have a clear understanding of the opinion of the U.S. in very many, if any, countries of the world. Hell, you probably don't even know the names of more than six heads of state throughout the world, much less what they think of the U.S. You don't even know why other countries think certain things about us. You may have a guess, but let me tell you right now, that guess is probably way off.

Fifteenth, you don't know crap about economics. You don't know how the Federal Reserve System works. You don't know how OPEC works. You don't know how the unemployment rate is defined. You don't understand currency or gold markets. There is absolutely no way you understand you these structures are connected to the building of a functioning nation-state. Trade agreements? Please. You have never read one in your entire life.

Sixteenth, even though you always talk about Democracy, I bet you couldn't even define what you mean by that. Go ahead and try. Define it in three sentences or less. Now, try to explain how that was achieved in this country. Goooood luck.

Seventeenth, if you actually managed to come up with something about what you mean by Democracy and how it was achieved in America, try to come up with a way that "we" can go about accomplishing the same thing in Iraq in just a matter of a year or two, if ever. When making this calculation, don't forget to take into account of the things I have pointed out to you that you don't know. Don't forget that there is probably a whole load of more shit you don't know about Iraq that I forgot you don't know about.

You probably know some of these things, but not very many and not very in depth. I'm only saying this so that you will stop pretending that you know the solution to "the situation in Iraq." You don't have a clue. Even if you did know all of the things I listed, you still would only have a cursory understanding of how to help "the situation." Even then, the best you could do was offer a semi-demi-psuedo educated guess about the best course of action that would be rife with sweeping generalizations and the lacking in significant evidence. Even then, you might as well use a dartboard.

However, you don't even have close to that cursory understanding of what is taking place, and neither do I. Just about the only thing you and I can know for certain is that over 900 coalition troops have lost their lives in Iraq, and over 11,000 Iraqi civilians have also died. These numbers can be proven. Not much else can be.

Considering all of this, I would appreciate it if you stopped telling everyone what should be done over there. You don't know what needs to be done, and I don't either. This is something you need to remember in the future whenever another one of our "elected" officials tells us that a nation that has not attacked us is a "threat to our security" and that we need to engage in "regime change" to fix the situation. When they say this, tell them bullshit. When they say it will be a clean and easy process, tell them bull-fucking shit. Please remember how messed up things are in reality, no matter how they sound in a neatly prepared speech. Please remember how little you actually know about these situations, and beg "our leaders" to remember the same thing about themselves, because the last thing we need is to get into another situation like this that no one knows how to fix.


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astonishing discussion (none / 0)

What did you think was astonishing about the original discussion?
by Anonymous Citizen on Fri May 28, 2004 at 03:42:22 AM EST

Essay (none / 0)

Brillliant piece of work and so true.
by Anonymous Citizen on Fri May 28, 2004 at 09:01:55 AM EST

Our Leaders (none / 0)

I'm glad you replayed these thoughts again - We do indeed need to be reminded.
As l was reading them, I remembered that Wolfie, the architect of this Iraq mess, had not even set foot in Iraq prior to the war.
by Anonymous Citizen on Fri May 28, 2004 at 11:18:19 AM EST

I Disagree Competely (none / 0)

More accurately, I disagree with the all inclusive you. If it is limited to the NeoCons and the Bush acolytes that created this disaster, then you are correct. But that's not what you mean.

I'm a professional analyst (real estate appraiser) and I have a passible (if superficial) understanding of at least a third of the points you cite. But even with my limited understanding, the solution is crystal clear -- although getting there is much more difficult, now that the Bush FUBAR had driven us over a cliff.

The answer is simple -- the Iraqis have to work out their own solution, while the United States and its Allies keep enough forces in theater to prevent a coup by one group or another.

The biggest mistake the Bush Administration made was invading in the first place, and thinking they could impose an American solution on Iraq. But once the invasion occurred, disbanding the Iraqi Army was the most disasterous error made by the NeoCon ideologues. General Gardner opposed it, so the NeoCons replaced him with a more compliant Jerry Bremer.

From the beginning, the Iraqi people spoke with one voice: "Thank you for getting rid of Saddam, now leave." But since this was a war to steal Iraq's oil, and screw up the Middle East for the benefit of Ariel Sharon, the opinions of the Iraqi people carried zero weight with the Bush Cheney Petro Gangsters and the NeoCon Buccaneers.

Even now, the way out is simple -- apply the Fallujah model to the entire country. Recall the Iraqi Army, exclude (as much as possible) the hard core Saddamists from the senior officer corps, and let the reformed units provide security. At the same time, American Troops should pull back to hardened bases, while the UN oversees preparations for general elections -- using the Saddam food ration I.D.'s as a basis for indentifying qualified voters.

This is the solution that the experts offered a year ago, and it remains the best solution today. The best thing we can do is to maintain a stabilization force of sufficient size to prevent a coup by an ambitious Iraqi commander. A controlled transition to whatever comes next is the best we can hope for, and the Fallujah model is the best way to achieve it.

As for how this conclusion was reached -- you read as much as you can from as many experts as you can find; weigh the quality of their comments against the reports coming out of Iraq; analyze the data, and draw your conclusions -- giving the most weight to the input from the Iraqi experts and the Iraqi people.

And to reclaim America's honor and legitimacy -- we need to de-legitimize the Bush Occupation of the White House, and remove them in disgrace.

by ck on Fri May 28, 2004 at 11:27:31 AM EST

The Iraqi Left (none / 0)

I have been wondering for some time what progressive iraqis think a good solution would be.  Has anyone heard these voices, or know where I could find some information?

I hope Kerry is talking to serious, compassionate and progressive Iraqis as he formulates his own policy.

by Anonymous Citizen on Fri May 28, 2004 at 02:15:44 PM EST

The Bush regime is rogue regime in the White House (none / 0)

First George W. Bush stole the 2000 Election.   After that he started to believe that the world's riches belonged to US and not the people of the respective countries.  With Petro-Gangsters helping him, Bush thought he could invade any country he so desired.   But of course as any other thug he had to find a victim who posseesed some riches.  And Iraq oil resources were it. To use any and every means to justify a wrong, that was the Bush regimes policy in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If all the above does not ring a bell, then people have been asleep since the 1930's.  Remember the Austrian Corporal who took out German citizenship? Why, of course Adolf Hitler.  He began with Sudetenland, then Slovakia, then the peace of Munich that the dreamer Neville Chamberlain proposed as "Peace in our Time!"  After which came Anschluss (union) with Austria by military force. Having gone that far the next step was very easy. He signed a a pact with the Stalinist Soviet Union to partition Poland, and thus began World War II.

Is it really difficult to preceive that the Bush regime is not headed in exactly that dircetion?  Bush has already threatened Iran and Libya with invasion, but the stalemate in Iraq is causing him to hold-off on those projects right now.      

What about the personal threat to the Belgian Court that wanted to try George W. Bush for War Crimes?  That matter was soon solved by the Bush regime issuing a threat of invasion to Beligium.  Today we have a carbon copy of what happened in the 1930's which brought about World War II.   Bush will not stop till free nations get together to oust him from the White House and try him for War Crimes.
 

by Anonymous Citizen on Fri May 28, 2004 at 04:58:00 PM EST

great thread (none / 0)

Hi Chris - great thread....I agree with every word - with the spirit of every word....the devil is in the details anyway...

I was in the first Gulf War...I'm a white guy who grew up in Jersey...our neighbors were a really nice if somewhat odd to us in a suburban Jersey kind of way Iranian family...we jokingly referred to them as the Persians - but I know their real name as well...

My uncle Bernie is from Baghdad....On my mother's side - Irish - they all are what are called black Irish....so really the kids turned out beautifully - dark and beautiful....he came here before the rise of Saddam and so is very lucky - he is a wonderful guy....

and I don't know what is really going on over there - none of us do.....and while so many of your points are valid there are also other realities about this and every situation currently going on in this country and abroad that we know zero about because these events are censored...

anyone heard a peep about Haiti except for the flood that happened two days ago?

what I do know is that we all need to start going where these clues and truths are pointing us - toward the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth....

the more we step back and see the big picture, the more we need to see things for what they are...

enough rabid campaigning - we need to truly acknowledge that yes Virginia - voting is actually irrelevent...look at the last one...

we need to acknowledge that our whole system is broke and has been for a very long time now...

we need to seperate ourselves from our identity crisis that is in so many ways manipulated by those who benefit from our self confusion about who we really are what we have really done and where we have really been....

Forget about John Kerry - he is the other side of the same coin as GWB and co.

Forget about this insane party system

Think about why we have a Senate

Find out if the Federal Reserve is a private corporation and if it issues money backed by precious metals or not

Find out if in fact the IRS is a private corporation and what law - on the books - actually requires you to pay federal taxes

Find out all of it....

I know what tanks are being used and how to read the troops on tv - and it bothers the hell out of me; people wanna be led around by the nose as to what the thinking should be - what the 'issues' are....only to be led on to another one once that one is 'boring' or 'done'....

find the voices of dissent and start there....find the real experts - the ones who are diagreeing - and have been from the beginning....

and use that - not as your thoughts for yourself but as a place to start to develop what you and you alone feel and think....we all must individually decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong....and then take our own individual beliefs and measure those against what our so called elected representatives are enabling in the world because we are the superpower.....

love - peace - brother and sister hood - for all of us here on this planet; May God bless us all

by Anonymous Citizen on Fri May 28, 2004 at 05:25:51 PM EST

George Bush Jr. is a Punk! (none / 0)

George Bush Jr. is a Punk!
by Anonymous Citizen on Fri May 28, 2004 at 10:47:28 PM EST

Blah (none / 0)

You know who probably DOES fit your criteria?  Chalabi, or other people like him like Allawi.  Knowledge of the situation is certainly good but it's not like simply knowing the situation will necessarily lead to wiser decisions.

Moreover, you say "I would appreciate it if you stopped telling everyone what should be done over there."  But given that you admit to not fitting all the criteria either, does that mean you should stop telling everyone what should be done?  Something as small as posting on a blog still meets the criteria of saying 'what should be done,' even if it's withdrawing completely.  Certainly it would be nice if everyone's opinion was an informed one, but a knowledge pissing match isn't the way to go.  There's always going to be one more neocon from the AEI with a PhD from UChicago around the corner who does know more than you and can, using your own argument, crown himself the victor.

by Anonymous Citizen on Sat May 29, 2004 at 01:43:22 PM EST

RE: You Don't Know Shit About Iraq (none / 0)

Great rant, Chris.

I confess I've recently linked it a couple of times in several forums that I regularly frequent.

Thanks.

by althepal on Sun May 30, 2004 at 05:39:22 PM EST

Thankyou. (none / 0)

I've passed this on to everyone I know.
by Anonymous Citizen on Fri Jun 11, 2004 at 11:11:22 AM EST

bush...thats my dog name! (none / 0)

Hi all
you can check www.shaykhabdalqadir.com
maybe you can have different perspective about what really goin

do you know the casualty war in Iraq is bigger than 9/11...
do you know that America have a biggest debt in the world
do you know that Democracy is a service for banking System
do you know  that Bank America is belong to private company
do you know that bush is the real criminal!
do you know that the american soldier is dead for nothing!
do you know that 9/11 tragedy similiar with pearlharbor..so america can bombed hiroshima and nagasaki
do you know that this is conspiracy practice
do you know that banking system is enslave you...with the interest.
do you know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in US
do you know that paper-money is worth-less...
do you know that the bank control your life
do you know that the bank doesnt have any money...they use your money...and create a number in computer!
do you know who is really running america..of course is not bush!
do you know that the enemy is inside your heart!

...have nice day

by Apple on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 07:20:52 PM EST


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