Iraq Photos Define Hawks' Views of Reality

On Thursday, just before a post about "big media versus Americans" that linked to Instapundit, and just after a posted entitled "Cheer up Hawks," Andrew Sullivan found time to come down off his mountain and actually post a reader's response to something he wrote on his blog (Sullivan does not have comments on his blog):

EMAIL OF THE DAY: "It was interesting to hear about the jump in hits on blogger web-sites. Let me suggest that it is due not so much to the Nick Berg video, but to the combination, or sequence, of the Abu Gharib photos AND the Nick Berg Video. For me, the Abu Gharib photos acted like a slate cleaner. Like you, after I first saw those photos I fell into a deep funk where I started to question everything that had made me a staunch supporter of the war. While in this funk I realized that much of my rationale for going to war was underpinned by an unformed, yet felt assumption that it would go well. Those photos yanked that all away."

Let me suggest that it was not just the Abu Gharib pictures and the Nick Berg video, but also the picture from late March of the lynched mercenaries that has contributed to the national "funk" about the war. However, no matter what the actual sequence of the images, this email was enlightening to me as both Sullivan and his unnamed reader openly admitted that their support for the war "was underpinned by an unformed, yet felt assumption that it would go well." Sweet Jeebus! It scares the living crap out of me that supposedly well-informed people would use such vague rationale to support a war.  

This email was also enlightening for the way Sullivan and his reader admitted to having their view of the war temporarily shaken, and then permanently altered, simply by seeing images of the war:

"So then what happened? Into this void gets poured the images of an innocent civilian being savagely beheaded. Now unencumbered by unspoken assumptions that this would be easy, I see the true nature of what we are up against, and am more committed to winning the thing than ever before. I wonder if many in the blogopshere are experiencing the same phenomenon." The guy's right; and count me in among those in this emotional whiplash. I feel more committed to getting the liberation right than I have for months.

First I can't believe that the person writing the email actually uses the phrase "unspoken assumptions that this would be easy," when we were constantly told how easy it would be to turn Iraq into Japan or Germany.

Second, if images from Iraq, especially those of the violent deaths of a civilian,  play such an admittedly formative role in the opinions of hawks such as Sullivan, no wonder he is still in support of the war. The excruciating images of Iraq civilians being savagely killed and/or wounded have hardly ever been released over the mainstream media (the same media Sullivan complains of being victimized by). If he thought the Abu Gharib and Nick Berg images were bad, then I wonder what he would think of the war if he saw these:

WARNING: These pictures are not faked, nor do they portray the Iraq war according the the Bush administration's talking points. Further, there are thousands of similar photos. Still further, I did not post even close to the most extreme photos.

Click on the time & date stamp below to view the photo's in the extended entry.



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Holy shit... (none / 0)

I don't know if those were entirely necessary here...  I'm sure this message will spark debate, but I'm truly physically ill.  I would have appreciated a link (as provided) rather than the actual photos so that I could have prepared myself.  

in my humblest opinion... don't need the shocking images here when a link would suffice... You're preaching to the choir.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat May 15, 2004 at 06:11:29 PM EST

War is Hell! (none / 0)

Anybody who's opposed to war -- in the abstract -- needs to see these war photos to understand war's REAL consequences.

View the photos and let them become etched into your conscience, I say.

BUSCHCO and the NEOCONS have succeeded so far in concealing the REAL images of war from the compliant American public, who STILL seem more interested in the Kobe Bryant trial than what's happening in Iraq.

I say those of us who are opposed to this war should insist that these and all the other photos which document the suffering of innocents should be shamelessly broadcast far and wide, so that even those who "support" this war should know the conseqences of their inattention.

If this country is really committed to supporting non-defensive, imperialist war...this country needs to know what war if really about.

"War is HELL, said The very brutal American Civil War general Willim T. Sherman.  He also said, (referring to the photographs of Civil War Photographer Wm. Brady,) "The scenes on this field would have cured anybody of war."

More graphic photos, please!

A picture is worth a thousand words, afterall.

by althepal on Sat May 15, 2004 at 09:04:26 PM EST
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Give me a break... (none / 0)

As I said above... forcing people to view these pictures (as was essentially done when they were posted on the front page of MYDD) is not appropriate, and Chris was right to remove them only to the comments section... I appreciate that.

Again, and as I said above, people visiting this site are already convinced that the war is "bad", and the graphic photos on the front were an affront to decency (I think), and serve no real purpose but to "shock".  On MyDD, you're preaching to the choir.  

A similar argument... I'm a vegetarian, and I don't need to view gruesome photos of cows being slaughtered while I eat my vegetables in order to "etch 'the images' into my conscience"...  That would make me puke, and wouldn't do anything to change the actions I already take (avoid eating meat)...  It would only serve to spoil my dinner.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sun May 16, 2004 at 11:39:56 AM EST
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another thing (none / 0)

This would be the left-wing equivalent of a (hypothetical) Rush Website replaying the decapitation of Berg over and over on the front page (no warning)...

but instead saying, "if images like this violent death of a civilian play such an admittedly formative role in the opinions of Americans such as Sullivan, no wonder they're not support of this war.  The liberal media are keeping it from you and I, El Rushbo, am presenting it to you in full."

You'd be disgusted and would cry foul.  Conservatives reading this blog are going to cry foul as well.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Sat May 15, 2004 at 06:18:47 PM EST

Conservatives crying foul (none / 0)

Let them. I'm not going to apologize for posting these photos. I became physically ill shifting through them to select these (there are much, much worse photos out there).

Obviously, presenting them in this fashion is a rhetorical move on my part, but considering how this extreme violence has gotten no play in the santized version of the media war, and considering how support for the war has pluimmeted when images only fraction as disturbing were presented, I feel my move is justified.

by Chris Bowers on Sat May 15, 2004 at 06:40:44 PM EST
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You owe no apologies, Chris. (none / 0)

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by althepal on Sat May 15, 2004 at 09:13:25 PM EST
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IRAQIS (none / 0)

BOO HOO
by Anonymous Citizen on Sat Jun 19, 2004 at 02:55:25 PM EST

boo hoo indeed (none / 0)

war might be bad but its never going away and fighting it upsets a balance in thing oh well people die all the time this justs gives you a reason.
by Anonymous Citizen on Tue Aug 10, 2004 at 12:57:42 AM EST


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