Pre-Orlando CattleCall for DNC Chair

I'll be in DC for a couple of days before heading down to the DNC's State Chair meeting in Orlando, where all the announced candidates will be speaking on Saturday (when I'm slated to be on CSPAN during their coverage). Things are still as topsy-turvy as the last roundup, so here we go:

Jeanne Shaheen said no, she's not the anti-Dean candidate. "It's always nice to be considered," Shaheen said as she floated onto the radar for the DNC Chair a month ago. As John Kerry's national campaign chairwoman, she was overlooked by Kerry, who handpicked Tom Vilsack instead. Now Shaheen has dropped out as well. It makes one wonder, with both the 'bait and switch' out, what is Kerry thinking? Maybe with Tom Vilsack as a likely competitor in '08, perhaps Kerry is warming to the idea of Howard Dean being out of the '08 New Hampshire primary picture?

No, Howard Dean is not the frontrunner. He is going to give a speech Wednesday (live webcast) at Noon on the "state of the party" in DC at GWU. "Right now everyone's waiting to see what Howard's going to do" is right where Howard needs to be for now. In fact, the ABD movement has so subsided, that rumors are circulating that "the establishment" is offering a deal to Dean of the DNC Chair in exchange his not running in '08, Simon says too, and that Dean's not saying yes, or no, at this time. Whatever, regardless, Dean knows they don't matter (see the blockqoute below), and the grassroots is already taking action in electing DNC members that are Dean-backers.

Which leads us to Harold Ickes. He sure sounds like a candidate: I have a lot of experience in the party. I was with the Media Fund. I helped raise money for ACT... he's just not been offered the backing for the job. Ickes is the name missing from the Saturday's "Special Guest Panel" in Orlando. If it stays that way, if offers some backing to the above rumor.

Martin Frost is emerging as the choice for those on the Hill that don't want someone like Dean coming in to mess with their status quo minority status. Acording to RollCall, Frost is meeting with Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Rangel and Gregory Meeks about the Chair position. Said, Charlie Gonzalez, a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and a fellow Texan, "Members appreciate [Frost’s] expertise, and Mike Ross the newly elected whip of the conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said that Frost "understands the dynamics involved in trying to help us secure a majority in the House and Senate." Frost is listed as "tentative" to speak on the guest panel Saturday as of now:

And in the end, whatever support Frost is able to accrue from Congress could be of little practical advantage as few Members are also DNC voters, and those who do have a vote are not easily swayed by Congressional pressures. “Most of those people don’t care about what Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid ... think,” said one Democratic source familiar with the process.

Simon Rosenberg moves up with an official candidacy, and he scored the puff piece on Daily Kos. One thing I personally like about Simon is that he's very competitive, and when he sets his eyes on something, he plays hard, and it shows, in the Q & A with NY Metro: Q: But Dean and Ickes have more relationships than you do. A: We’ve given money to candidates in all 50 states—we have lots of friends. Especially out here in the blogosphere.

Wellington Webb has entered the fray, but beyond that, there's not been alot of buzz about his candidacy. He is holding a reception on Thursday night, so maybe I'll find some traction.

Donnie Fowler is a candidate for the DNC position. I posted his position paper here a week ago. He comes with good creds, let's hear what he has to say.

Leo Hindrey is showing up in Orlando, but he shouldn't even bother. You see, Leo Hindery was Gephardt's national finance co-chair, and as the Executive of Yes Network, donated $100K to finance 20% of the Osama hitman TV ad that aired in Iowa against Howard Dean. To hell with Hindery, he's only worth heckling.

Finally, Gray Davis emerges, or is emerged on behalf of... Here's the Draft Gray Davis for DNC Chair blog. And, bonus-time, in the case of a split leadership, the Draft Gray Davis Committee has voted to endorse Gray Davis for National Spokesman and Bob Shrumm for Chief Executive Officer. Such is the dignified state of the ABD movement.



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Don't want to mess with minority status is right! (none / 0)

"Martin Frost is emerging as the choice for those on the Hill that don't want someone like Dean coming in to mess with their status quo minority status"

I don't dislike Frost, but, yes, if he becomes DNC chair, you're right:  our minority status won't be messed with for a long time.

Dean for DNC Chair...if not him, Rosenberg...if not him, we're sunk.

Draft Gray Davis?  Someone is on crack.

by DC Pol Sci on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:40:33 PM EST

Martin Frost (none / 0)

Isn't he a LOSER?

Why would we want to follow a LOSER?

by Bob Brigham on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:47:45 PM EST

Re: Martin Frost (none / 0)

Marty was a victim of Tom Delay.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:06:14 AM EST
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even worse (none / 0)

a victim and a LOSER

Frost makes Gray Davis look like a champion.

by Bob Brigham on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:14:00 AM EST
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Re: even worse (none / 0)

Funny you mention that.  Gov. Davis sent me an email today and not because of what I mention in my blog.  speaking of which, what is your attitude towards the DLC?
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:51:59 AM EST
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DLC? (none / 0)

If Bob Shrumm won't run, I think Al From should run with Gray Davis. And I think they should run and run and run and run and never look back...
by Bob Brigham on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:58:43 AM EST
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full history (none / 0)

can we please not forget that the reason martin frost was a "victim" of tom delay is that in 1990, martin frost was the architect of the redistricting in texas which shut out a lot of republicans while this state was trending blue.  it wasn't victimisation; it was payback.  let's not pretend martin didn't screw over delay first (not that i'm defending delay, i'm just trying to be historically accurate).

and once again, as someone who was represented by frost for nearly twelve years, i say not just no but HELL NO to him as head of the dnc.

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by annatopia on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 09:21:33 AM EST
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dammit (none / 0)

that made no sense.  i meant "trending RED" not blue.
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by annatopia on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 09:22:04 AM EST
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Gray Davis and Bob Shrumm? (none / 0)

These two qualify as the biggest technocrat losers in the history of the Democratic party. No message, no fire, no chance. You might as well make "Born to lose" the official slogan of the Democratic party.
by Gary Boatwright on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 11:01:29 PM EST

Read the link (none / 0)

It's a joke.
by Geotpf on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 03:07:10 PM EST
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Rosenberg (none / 0)

Simon for Chair I tell ya!
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:06:38 AM EST

Gray Davis (none / 0)

I think the Gray Davis site is a satire.
by Lavoisier1794 on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:43:22 AM EST

Re: Gray Davis (none / 0)

I assumed that site was satire myself.  I can't imagine anyone so far detached from reality to think it would be a good idea for Gray Davis to lead the Party.  Maybe it's a GOP mole running the web site and getting a good laugh...
by CA Pol Junkie on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 11:54:07 AM EST
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joke? what is a joke? (none / 0)

How come a former Governor of the largest state is a joke because he was booted from office while Martin Frost (who was booted from a congressional district) is a serious candidate?

How come Bob Shrum is a joke because he keeps losing but Leo Hindrey loses while attacking Democrats and he is a serious candidate?

Really, what is the joke? Is the Party the joke?

by Bob Brigham on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:01:14 PM EST
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Good point... (3.00 / 0)

When the entire Democratic establishment has been deeply involved in self-parody, satire truly is dead.  Notice that nobody is quite certain that the Draft Davis site isn't serious.
by CA Pol Junkie on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:00:30 PM EST
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Re: joke? what is a joke? (none / 0)

Well 1) Frost lost in an election, where he was put into that situation by questionable re-districting practices whereas Davis was recalled; politically the only thing worse would be impreachment.  Davis was a terrible Governor who couldn't even keep Blue state voters from removing him from office...he would be a terrible choice to lead our party and I hope to God they don't select him.
by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 05:29:49 PM EST
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"Think" Gray Davis Site is Satire? (none / 0)

"Texas energy traders spent years raping California and Gray Davis never once squealed. Gray Davis knows how to take it like a man and a gentleman at that." Guess his return to the legal profession won't spare him from continued assaults from his loving former constituents. I always liked www.gaydavis.com myself!
by jdthompson on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:53:32 AM EST

Davis (none / 0)

Thought the site was pretty funny myself.  Poor Gray.  Still taking it like a man.
by ksh on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:18:21 AM EST

I have to go with simon (none / 0)

I like dean and he would be in my top two or three.

I also like the idea of having a two headed dragon as long as they can get along. Frost is interesting because he is sort of a rough and tumble guy.

I say go young and hungry we need energy and outside the box thinking.

by Davinci on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 07:03:32 AM EST

In an ideal world (none / 0)


Dean would endorse Rosenberg and set his sights on other, perhaps higher, things.
by spandrel on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 07:58:47 AM EST

Do those two play well with each other? (none / 0)

I have no idea if they have any history.
by Geotpf on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 03:08:53 PM EST
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oh, and jerome... (none / 0)

...what time does cspan's coverage start?  any idea?  
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by annatopia on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 09:23:06 AM EST

Re: oh, and jerome... (none / 0)

Hey, I dunno yet, it's still "tentative" though "scheduled".  Probably after or during the speechs, which are at 11-1 Saturday.
by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 11:21:11 PM EST
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Dean/Rosenberg (none / 0)

Why not formally endorse Dean for chair/spokesperson and Rosenberg for CEO?
Also, suggesting that there would be a review of the situation in 2006, post-elections
This allows people to support Dean who want to give him a fair shot, but are worried he might lose it, and enables Rosenberg to build out the net infrastructure in any case.
I think people will find end up finding Dean a good spokesperson, who can successfully recreate his image with America along his own lines (he's more centrist in many areas than people think), and that people will see he keeps the base charged up and also willing to contribute $
If it doesn't work out, the personnel can be changed again, and that way it won't look like the powers that be crushing the young turks
This may sound cynical, but it gives somewhat cynical people a rationale for following a dream, at least as an experiment
This is not to put down the Martin Frosts and renovated Southern strategies, but the new party being built will have to start time sharing between different wings so we can all continue to live together
Dean could even come out and make an explicit commitment to work inclusively with the Reids and Frosts, to avoid public disparagement of any prong of a multi-prong strategy

by jimpol on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:09:23 PM EST

DNC Chair (none / 0)

It seems to me that if the Democrats install one of the good 'ol boy candidates like Ickes or Frost, then Dean and/or Rosenberg will simply go off and run some sort of separate, more progressive operation.  I think those guys are going to be big players regardless of whether they win the chair or not.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the progressive branch of the party outdo the mainstreamers in fundraising and voter registration efforts.
by global yokel on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:02:26 PM EST

competing in the progressive market-place of ideas (none / 0)

To keep the Party strong I think a new Chair must be able to compete with NDN and DfA. Otherwise, lots of us will send or time and money to the organizations getting more done.

Only two candidates are known to be able to compete with Dean and Rosenberg...

by Bob Brigham on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:20:37 PM EST
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Please not Gray Davis (none / 0)

Not really anything to add to it, just please not Gray Davis.
by alhill on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 02:58:35 PM EST

one more anti-frost moment for me (3.00 / 1)

go read this at the dallas morning news.  ah screw it, here is the whole thing:

"Frost, Sessions both invoke Bush

Each is running ads portraying himself as backing the president

11:29 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 26, 2004

By GROMER JEFFERS JR. / The Dallas Morning News

So who loves President Bush the most?

It's hard to tell if you're watching the TV ads that the candidates are airing in the 32nd Congressional District race.

Both Democrat Martin Frost and Republican Pete Sessions have produced spots that attack the other for being out of touch with the mainstream, while attaching themselves to the president.

 "In the real world, Sessions loves Bush far more," said Southern Methodist University political science professor Cal Jillson. "But in the artificial world, it's not clear."

Mr. Frost - running in a mostly Republican district - is trying to appeal to GOP voters in North Dallas.

Some of his campaign commercials show Mr. Sessions being in opposition to President Bush, while portraying himself as a tough, moderate Democrat.

He uses popular Republicans like Sens. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas and John McCain of Arizona to make his point. And one ad even casts fellow Democrat Ted Kennedy in the same liberal boogeyman role as some Republicans do.

In contrast, Mr. Sessions - who is trying to turn out his base Republican vote in North Dallas - has aired ads that portray him as a loyal soldier to the president, while blasting Mr. Frost as a high-spending liberal.

"For Frost, the assumption is that there are moderate voters who aren't aligned with Sessions. He's telling them that he's a moderate- to conservative-leaning Democrat," Mr. Jillson said. "In his ads about Frost's spending, Sessions wants to remind his base what we're really actually talking about."

Mr. Frost and Mr. Sessions are running against each other as a result of newly redrawn congressional lines approved by the Republican-controlled Texas Legislature.

After being drawn out of his 24th District, Mr. Frost chose to run for re-election in the heavily Republican 32nd District now represented by Mr. Sessions.

The 13-term Democrat is making direct appeals to the district's Republican votes in his TV ads.

One commercial features visuals of those who backed the president's plans to beef up air safety and homeland security.

It has snapshots of several prominent Republicans, including Ms. Hutchison, House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Mr. McCain.

Mr. Frost is mentioned in the same breath as all the other Republicans in the ad.

"After Sept. 11, President Bush asked Congress to keep America's skies safe from terrorists," the announcer in the ad states. "Five hundred and 10 voted 'Yes' with President Bush. Pete Sessions was one of nine to vote 'No.' "

The ad later states: "Martin Frost. Backing President Bush on Keeping America Safe."

Mr. Frost says the ads are effective.

"There are some fundamental questions about his judgment and whether he would stick by what he said," he said of his opponent. "People expect politicians to shoot straight with them."

Mr. Frost has run another TV ad that shows Mr. Sessions talking about Mr. Kennedy's ordeal with airline security. On several occasions, the Massachusetts senator has been prohibited from boarding a plane because his name appeared on a security watch list.

The ad shows Mr. Sessions describing Mr. Kennedy's problem and saying the system may be "too tight."

"Sessions said 'No' to President Bush on air safety because Ted Kennedy was delayed?" the announcer says. "Protect America. Say 'No' to Pete Sessions."

A response

Mr. Sessions responded to Mr. Frost's air safety ad with one of his own.

In it he says he voted against the safety plan Mr. Bush wanted because it would have led to union guidelines for airport screeners.

"He wanted unionized restrictions on airport screeners," Mr. Sessions said in his ad. "I think they should be air safety professionals with the flexibility to do their jobs."

The commercial shows a picture of Mr. Frost with a red stamp across him that reads "unionized."

Another Sessions commercial that just aired charges that Mr. Frost is the biggest spender in Congress.

The commercial describes Mr. Frost's supporting paid holidays for bureaucrats and $20 million for a steel museum in Pennsylvania.

"So how will Frost pay for it?" the announcer asks. "Perhaps even some tax increases, if necessary," the voice of Mr. Frost adds.

The announcer then says, "Higher taxes and wasteful spending. That's the cost of Martin Frost."

"This is a district that has heavily performed for Republicans in the past," said Chris Homan, a spokesman for Mr. Sessions. "Congressman Frost has consistently voted for higher taxes which hurt the middle class, married couples and senior citizens."

"Pete Sessions is co-sponsor of the largest tax increase in the history of the country with the ridiculous national sales tax idea," said Justin Kitsch, a spokesman for Mr. Frost.

Mr. Sessions co-sponsors a bill that would abolish the Internal Revenue Service and create a national sales tax.

Tactical campaigners

Because Texas is not a swing state, Dallas-area residents have been spared the intense media barrage of the presidential campaign. But the Frost-Sessions matchup is quickly filling the gap.

Political observers say the air war reflects the maneuverings of two tactical campaigners.

"That district swings for Republicans, and you can see Frost trying to pick up some Republican votes," said Dallas political consultant Carol Reed. "And Sessions [is] trying to show that Martin Frost is too liberal for Texas. It's the standard way Republicans run in Texas."

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by annatopia on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 03:01:15 PM EST

Howard Dean (none / 0)

Please elect Howard Dean.  I know of no other person that shows the American public who the Democrats really are.
by Robert A August on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 03:44:09 PM EST

I'm suprised no one mentioned this (none / 0)

Donnie's papa is Don Fowler, former chair of the DNC, I believe.

I don't think that should disqualify him, but it is certainly relevant.  Despite his jabs at the campaign aristocracy in that position piece, his resume reads exactly like you'd expect the resume of the son of the DNC chair to read.  Bouncing from one high campaign position to another.  This can be a sign of someone who is great, but it can also be sign of someone who is ambitious and has a powerful patron.  His non-campaign jobs look to me like the kind of sinecures you get when people want to cultivate you (FCC & a tech consultancy.)  

This isn't a background that makes me think he's been tuning his ear to the voice of the average voter.

I wince at the burgeoning aristocracy of our party. Maybe it's just because I live in Chicago, where my Mayor is the son of a Mayor, my governor the son-in-law of a powerful party elder, my attorney general the daughter of the speaker of the house, my state comptroller the son of the former Cook County treasurer and our newest congressman had his seat deeded over to him by his dad.

What a sick political culture!  But if others believe Donnie Fowler can be a great DNC chair based on a closer understanding of what he's done, I admit I don't know him well.

by ne plus ultra on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 05:29:40 PM EST

Re: I'm suprised no one mentioned this (none / 0)

I don't know anything about Donnie Fowler's Dad, but I did work on the Kerry campaign in Michigan (and the Clark campaign in the caucus).

I know nothing about Donnie Fowler's dad, but if he has half the talent and integrity of Donnie, the Fowlers must be the "natural aristocracy" that Thomas Jefferson talked about.

by hawker on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 11:16:48 AM EST
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