DNC CattleCall: Holiday Edition

In January, they'll be 4 regional DNC member gatherings. I encourage all the Netroots activists out there to attend one of them nearest to you, if possible. It's very likely that the active candidates for the DNC Chair will be in attendence, and be accessible to the public. I'll try to confirm that as we get nearer the event, at least for the Reform candidates attending. Again, here's the January dates and cities (exact locations will be available later): 1/8, Atlanta; 1/15, St. Louis; 1/22, Sacramento; 1/29 New York City. DrivingVotes.org is going to be organizing roadtrips to the events, so you can also sign up there to be informed.

Now, on to the CattleCall. It's been a fairly slow couple of weeks, with few developments, and no one publically dropping out, but a couple of more possible entrants, raising the number of candidates circulating to 10.

Howard Dean is still on track to being favored, and for him, no news is good news. Dean continues to work away under the radar, even on the web. I reviewed the Silent Revolution underway in an entry last Friday that details this a bit further. The bottom line for Dean is that the threat of an ABD candidate hasn't seriously emerged (in fact, it's very fractured at the moment), and the Not Dean argument sounds even shriller and sillier than it did a year ago. Howard Dean must become the new Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chair, and nobody else will do, sums up alot of what being said on the net, and the volume will rise as Feb 12th draws near.

Dean got a semi-endorsement last week that might matter, with Bob Strauss indicated that:

Democrats should concentrate on finding a spokesman who can provide leadership in their resistance to Mr. Bush's policies, and that while watching Howard Dean on television, he felt the former Vermont governor made "more sense" than he did when running for president earlier this year.
They are slowly coming around to the Dean.

Wellington Webb officially announced his candidacy last week, and sent out letters to all of the DNC members. Given the “Convention Style” of balloting for the DNC Chair, it’s not difficult to see Webb winding up in the final three or four, but it gets difficult to see him as a consensus candidate that the ‘status quo’ DC forces would rally around against Dean. Webb’s got some ASDC support, but it’s not deep, and Fowler has been making in-roads.

Donnie Folwer and Simon Rosenberg are the two most active candidates. In terms of using the internet with traditional media, and contacting DNC Members, they are way ahead, at least from the current perspective, but they face the same delimma down the road.

Fowler and Rosenberg are both Reform candidates that understand the use of the netroots. Fowler has support within the ASDC with his own contacts over the years, and his father still has a lot of sway. Rosenberg has a blogosphere following and is generating support among the Clinton crew. Yet the problem both Fowler and Rosenberg run up against is that with Dean in the race, they have limited "Reform" upside running against the Reform Democrat.

Now, if Dean were to drop out (and I don't believe he will), the race between Fowler (working from the Brewer/ASDC angle) and Rosenberg (working from the Clinton/DC angles) for DNC Member support would intensify, and the battle in the blogosphere might resemble the Clark-Dean fest. As it stands though, Fowler and Rosenberg are grooms still waiting for their curtain to rise. But here's the latest news on the two.

A 527 “Fowler for Chair” organization has been set up by a former advisor to then DGA-Chair Vilsack, to support the election of Donnie Fowler as Chair, and Fowler is already rolling out a national finance team in place. Fowler’s following DraftHoward.com in the use of the Google ads gets props (including the opponents names), and fwiw (a blogad), Wonkette is backing Fowler.

For Rosenberg, the NewDem.org site has a video clip of his recent appearance on CNN’s Inside Politics, MyDD guest blogger Matt Stoller has endorsed Rosenberg for DNC Chair, Simon’s been posting regularly on the NDNBlog.org site, including The Race for DNC Chair, where the Economist profiles the RNC’s view for the job of Chair, and Simon responds on the evolving role of the DNC. And here's David Corn's look at Rosenberg's response to TNR's Beinart:

In other words, Rosenberg shoved a big cigar in the lovely artichoke dip that Beinart had spent so many hours concocting. Rosenberg showed that he understands that searching for differences and establishing loyalty tests is not the path toward electoral victory...
I had the same thumbs-up response when I finally got around to reading the issue yesterday.

Tim Roemer is calling around and sending out letters of introduction to DNC Members. To understand the candidacy of Tim Roemer, you have to understand the reason why Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried put aside any sort of litmus test-- even regarding support against the GOP's attempts to dismantle Social Security, and it has nothing to do with abortion (which the Republicans love to have wedging around inside the Democratic camp), or the fact that Roemer is a former defense contractor lobbyist. Pure and simple, similar to the ASDC's motives, it's a money grab of the DNC by Congress. With a vacuum of power at the DNC, both the Congressional Leadership and the ASDC see the opportunity to re-allocate the DNC's funds toward their own use. Roemer is not a particularly strong candidate because he's a DC-insider, and given how toxic anything DC is to many of the DNC Members, I doubt he has much traction, but he will listen to Pelosi and Reid. I'll follow up more on this later, especially in regards to the Fowler Amendments being proposed by Don Fowler Sr of the ASDC.

Texas Candidates number three now. Martin Frost, one would have thought, would have the backing of Pelosi. Without even the backing of Congress, it’s hard to see where Frost begins to claim support. The other Texan in the race, Ron Kirk, indicated in an interview that he was interested in being the spokesman for the party, but wanted to leave the DNC's day-to-day operations to someone else, which tremendously lowers his stock. And in Orlando, nominating petitions were gathered on behalf of Molly Beth Malcolm, the ’98-03 chair of the Texas Democratic Party. Who knows what the Texans are thinking here, like Off the Kuff though, I’m not to thrilled at letting Malcolm do nationally what she did for Texas.

Jim Blanchard is clinging to the hope that MI's Gov. Granholm can convince Richardson to step away from Dean, and let Blanchard have the DGA's endorsement to himself. But even then, the DGA doesn't have the sway that the ADSC does, though probably just as much as does the DC Congressional leaders. And besides, who wants an Energy Lobbyist as the next DNC Chair?

Harold Ickes is fading fast. The only blogger who thought that Ickes had a shot was Chris Nolan, though Chris is now seemingly convinced that Fowler is an ABD cadidate and willing to go that route.



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Reid-Pelosi Kiss of Death (none / 0)

Kos has a post following up on the Pelosi-Reid kiss of death. I think we are near consensus that Roemer will be unable to unite Democrats.
by Bob Brigham on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 02:59:29 PM EST

Donnie Fowler for DNC Chair (none / 0)

I think people should take a careful look at Donnie Fowler. He was able to build a winning coalition in Michigan for Kerry-Edwards, and he seems to be the only DNC candidate who understands both Red State America and that the Democrats have to act like an opposition party.

A good place to begin is Donnie Fowler's web site:

http://www.changetheparty.com/

by hawker on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 03:41:14 PM EST

Re: Donnie Fowler for DNC Chair (none / 0)

If Donnie Fowler wants to change the party and he encounters resistance from within the Dems, does he have the horsepower to affect change?
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 07:52:13 PM EST
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Re: Donnie Fowler for DNC Chair (none / 0)

One of the reasons why Kerry won Michigan is because Donnie Fowler took the initiative and had the horsepower to initiate tactics on the ground here.

Based on what happened in Michigan, I have no doubt that Donnie Fowler can overcome any resistance within the party without dividing the party.

by hawker on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:59:15 PM EST
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Re: Donnie Fowler for DNC Chair (none / 0)

What did Fowler do in Michigan that challenged the local Dem poohbahs? How did he cut against conventional wisdom?
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 08:55:17 PM EST
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Re: Donnie Fowler for DNC Chair (none / 0)

For one thing, he aggressively courted the Catholic vote. For another, he did not right off the western half of the state as safe GOP territory, and he worked with the state and local parties to organize an army of lawyers to respond to GOP intimidation of voters at precinct level.
by hawker on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 12:11:16 AM EST
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no on malcolm (none / 0)

let's not forget miss molly beth was run out of the texas dem party leadership on a rail.  

i still say dean.  sure rosenberg is stroking the egos of some bloggers all around, but let's be real.  he's former DLC.  and even if he "gets" reforming the party, the policies aren't going to change.  

and hello, i'm in this not just to reform the process, but to make better policies.

Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 04:53:06 PM EST

Rosenberg is DLCish (none / 0)

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck there is a good chance it is a duck.

Rosenberg may have fallen out with Al From over territory but he has not waivered one inch from the DLC party line. Rosenberg is still staunchly pro-war. Most of the candidates that NDN corporate sponsors promoted were DINO's very few true blue dems.

Old wine in new bottles

DLC plunk poured into NDN bottles.

Besides telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, die, the GOP has done a fine job of getting gov't out of our lives.
by Parker on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 08:42:37 PM EST
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nobody else will do (none / 0)

This is not the rhetoric one wants to use to be taken seriously. It sounds petulant and, frankly, insulting. It implies that whomever is using this sort of language; that is, what precisely is meant by terms like "bloggers" and "what is being said on the net" and why does this matter?

I'm always very skeptical of rhetoric that follows the line of "those guys in power" have to understand what "we, out here" want.

And finally, why are you so upset that Reid and Pelosi want to see more resources devoted to the Senate and House wings of the party? Where do you think it should be going instead?

What precisely are our goals here? If its to win elections, then lets focus on what it is that each of the candidates is proposing about how we do that. If its to show how "we" on the "net" have had enough of "DC" then, well, I'm not sure what that means or why anyone other than those who like to see themselves as angry, marginalized purists who won't put up with compromise from some ill-defined "core beliefs".

Look, I'm no "insider" and have no brief for anyone. I am hoping, though, to see a Democratic Party that can speak to people were I live -- socially conservative, populist minded, working-class, distrustful of republicans but wondering if the Democratic party is really anything other than the caricature of itself. If Tim Roemer can do that, what do I care what he's said in the past about social security or abortion? He's not going to be making policy as DNC chair; he's going to be raising money, organizing, speaking.

Out here in "red state" America, we're going to be organizing hard to try to win some races in 2006 -- and be in a better position for 2008. To do that, we need to stop losing single-issue voters who misunderstand what the democrat party stands for.

If Howard Dean can reach these folks, great; but I've seen no evidence whatsover that people see him as anything other than an east-coast elitist son of privilege who's greatest priorities are gay marriage and acting silly on tv. I know Dean is much more than this, thats why I worked for, dontaed to and supported his campaign in the primaries.

But I still don't see how he brings us any closer to being able to catch up to the republicans in fund-raising, organization or ability to frame issues.

by desmoulins on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 06:04:06 PM EST

Re: nobody else will do (none / 0)

I can't argue with your gripes about the cliche language, that stuff happens; but I do see how Dean gets us closer to the Republicans in fund-raising, organization, and the ability to frame issues, I experienced it firsthand, Iowa --which was always a clusterfuck waiting to happen from our excluded vantage point in Burlington anyway-- not withstanding.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 08:55:36 PM EST
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well, look (none / 0)

I wouldn't want to question your judgement since you were, as you point out, there. But I can't get myself past all those stories I read, including ones written by campaign folks like Matt Gross or Trippi's own comments, about how disorganized the campaign was, how no one knew how much money was in the bank, how no one knew who was on paid vs. unpaid staff, and how Dean himself kept muffing or failing to deliver key lines.

My sense is that all the energy and creativity of the Dean campaign is precisely what the Democratic Party needs, but we don't have the luxury of repaying Dean for being in the right place at the right time last fall. We need to take that energy, that creativity and some of those methods and graft it onto a winning message.

Thats different from a message that moves me personally, as Dean did.

We need someone, like Clinton, who can build that message into something that speaks far beyond the Democratic "base."

As I said before, I'd be delighted if I felt Dean was the guy who could do that, but I don't know anyone active in politics out here (in NV) who really ever believed Dean's personality or positions could win this state.

by desmoulins on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:38:48 PM EST
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Broken link (none / 0)

Thanks for noticing my comments about Molly Beth Malcolm. Just FYI, your link to that post is broken.
by kuff on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 07:05:58 PM EST

Re: Broken link (none / 0)

Thanks Kuffner. Let me know if you figure out what's going on down there. The way that all played out in Orlando, and after talking with Kirk after the event, it makes sense in hindsight, the whole 'stalking horse' speech, and the ongoing petition, but I don't think that Texas gambit is going to sell.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 08:52:42 PM EST
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Fowler - Encouraged Electing Republicans in 2002 (2.00 / 0)

Young Donnie better get a day job because a quick search of the web disqualifies him from being DNC Chair. Just 2 years ago while working as a corporate lobbyist for TechNet he advocated electing Republicans. He said "his organization wants to make sure it elects moderates of both parties." Source: http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2002/01/28/newscolumn1.html

It should be noted that TechNet gave thousands of dollars to Bush / Cheney.

I think the DNC Chair should be committed to electing Democrats. Also wasn't he the fellow who was fired from the Clark campaign then mouthed off about General Clark.

Donnie should be dismissed.

by jimmy on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 08:13:02 PM EST

and it begins... (none / 0)

Brand new user drops the oppo...ladies and gentleman, it looks like we have a race. This is going to be a very interesting 6 weeks.
by Bob Brigham on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 08:32:03 PM EST
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Donnie Fowler is a loyal Democrat (none / 0)

Jimmy,

Let's not smear these DNC candidates.

Donnie Fowler is a loyal Democrat, which anyone can see by reading the article you cite. TechNet hired Donnie to help them with Democrats. Sure TechNet also hired people to work with Republicans, but that's what most organizations do. Some of my colleagues where I work are big Republicans and give the GOP money, but that doesn't make me any less of a loyal Democrat.

Guilt by association is the kind of Republican tactic we don't need to use against each other.

by hawker on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:48:24 PM EST
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Donnie Fowler and the Clark Campaign (none / 0)

This means a lot to me because I was (and am) a true believer in General Wesley Clark.

After Clark announced his candidacy in September of 2003, he rose to first place in the polls, got on the cover of Newsweek magazine, and raised $ 3.5 million in only a week. Started by a group of 60,000 grassroots activists and led early by Donnie Fowler at General Clark's personal request, the early momentum was so amazing that many conventional DC-oriented players jumped on the bandwagon -- and the wheels broke. The first thing these folks wanted was to move the campaign to lobbyists' alley in Washington -- not a place to run the unconventional campaign that Clark needed. The second thing these traditionalists wanted was to cut the grassroots DraftClark movement out of the campaign. Donnie believed, as he does now, that the conventional wisdom had failed the Party and refused to be part of the downhill spiral that was inevitable. He and Clark, however, have maintained a very good relationship. Clark went to Michigan twice during the general election, where Donnie was Kerry's successful state director, and asked Donnie to travel with him.

Given the reason why Donnie left the Clark campaign and the fact that he and Wesley Clark still are very good friends, I'd say Donnie's experience in the Clark campaign bodes well for his leadership of the DNC.

by hawker on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:53:59 PM EST
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Webb and the Western Strategy (none / 0)

Don't write off Webb just yet.  As a guy who endorsed Dean very early, he ought to be an acceptable second choice to Dean fans, and as a Black Westerner he frankly makes a better spokesperson for the party in my opinion.  He would symbolize the party's commitment to the West in a way Dean just can't.  Here's an interesting editorial from the Denver Post playing up the regional angle:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~73~2619730,00.html

by Colorado Luis on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 08:34:54 PM EST

reform or status quo? (none / 0)

its not clear to me what makes fowler a reform candidate? it seems to me he is a product of the status quo that he claims to be running against. you can be sure that fowler will turn to the same group of people, and DC based operatives, who make up the sort of incestuous beltway thinking that doesnt think anyone outside DC has a clue as to what needs to be done to becomae a majority party again. seems to me fowler is just pandering to the asdc and the netroots so he can put in place himself and others in need of a job.
by u4reform on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:11:29 PM EST

Re: reform or status quo? (none / 0)

I have posted this in other places, but wanted to point out that several candidates have made their careers in DC -- Rosenberg, Frost, Ickes -- while others have made their careers outside DC -- Fowler is one of them, but so is Dean, Webb, Malcolm, and Kirk.  (Who did I leave out here?)  Anyway, the question I have is how can the DC folks claim to be 'outsiders' and how can the non-DC folks operate in Washington?
by twyford on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:18:45 PM EST
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Re: reform or status quo? (none / 0)

Fowler would have no problem with Dean as DNC Chair, and he understands how the blogosphere works-- that's Reform enough for my 'test'. There is a sort of DC vs outside DC meme, but it's too shallow to build anything off of it, a Reform vs Status Quo is more apt here. However, next thing you'll here is Roemer/Blanchard/Frost talking about the need to reform the party...
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:34:43 PM EST
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Re: reform or status quo? (none / 0)

i would like to throw out there the idea of reform as meaning--winning elections. the status quo at this point is 14 years of musical chairs of the same people saying the same thing about "building the grassroots" all the while there is no accountabilty from the grassroots when the same people keep losing elections.

please remind me what winning elections has fowler worked on?

by u4reform on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 11:00:55 PM EST
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From Donnie Fowler (3.00 / 0)

Greetings from one of the DNC candidates.  Right around Thanksgiving, Charlie Cook of the National Journal wrote a job description for the next DNC chair (nationaljournal.com/members/buzz/2004/races/113004.htm).  Here are Charlie's recommendations in quotation marks and my answers to him.  (By the way, Charlie is one of the country's most respected nonpartisan election observers.)

  1.  "will make a full four-year commitment to the job of rebuilding the Democratic Party, not someone using this as a two-year stepping stone for running for president" -- well, I am not running for any office anytime soon or anytime later.

  2.  "someone who understands the nuts-and-bolts of campaign organization" -- four presidential campaign cycles since 1988 (including Gore2000 national field director) and on-the-ground work in  fourteen states on all kinds of campaigns.  I come out of the field side of our party, not the paid media or polling side.  You might say I was grassroots before grassroots was cool.  

  3.  "someone who understands the importance of taking the massive amount of data that was collected about voters in this election" -- five years in telecom and tech have taught me that technology is not just about buying your canvassers a Palm Pilot and putting up a website.   Voters are the customers that need to be tracked, niche-marketed, and sold on our product.

  4.  "understands the presidential nominating process" -- two Iowa caucuses (1988, 2000) and three New Hampshire primaries (1988, 1996, 2000) PLUS primary visits to another five states (S.Carolina, Alabama, Michigan, West Virginia, and  Wyoming) PLUS Gore national field director during the fight against Bradley.  

  5.  "somewhone who knows how to raise money" -- work at the tech industry's largest political fundraising organization in Silicon Valley as lead  Democrat (where I only worked on the Democratic side of the ledger) PLUS take a look at my national DNC finance committee on the website.
     

  6.  "And finally ... (1) Don't nominate anyone from the Northeast; (2) Don't nominate anyone with  an Ivy League undergraduate degree; and (3) Don't nominate a stiff."  -- though I am certainly not a  candidate for president, I'm not from the northeast; I merely went to UVa; and I'm rather limber.

Thanks for giving me a forum, Jerome.  If it's not appropriate to post as a candidate, please let me know.
Donnie Fowler San Francisco / Silicon Valley
by donnie on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:58:08 PM EST

fuckin' aye (none / 0)

No swearing, quit picking your nose, get your feet off the table and for God's sake sit up straight...we have a candidate here.
by Bob Brigham on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:15:26 PM EST
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but (none / 0)

can you format a hyperlink?
by Bob Brigham on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:19:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: but (none / 0)

;\ On alot of blog platforms, html formatting for links is default.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:22:52 PM EST
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yeah, but... (none / 0)

When you asked for questions, my question was:

Ask them if they know how to format a hyperlink.

That was my question. But I'm glad to see him here.

by Bob Brigham on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:27:32 PM EST
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Re: but (none / 0)

blogswarm - you kill me.  i was picking my nose when i submitted my comment.  sorry.  by the way, maybe you're asking a trick question 'cause it is not that hard, but i do know how to format a hyperlink.  should i teach you how?  best, donnie
Donnie Fowler San Francisco / Silicon Valley
by donnie on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 12:00:49 PM EST
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Re: From Donnie Fowler (3.00 / 0)

Hey Donnie, thanks for stopping by, good points.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:19:59 PM EST
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Re: From Donnie Fowler (none / 0)

who cares what charlie cook thinks. that's the sort of typical beltway blinders we dont need in a new chair.
by u4reform on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:47:34 PM EST
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Re: From Donnie Fowler (none / 0)

Donnie, I consider you a fine candidate who seems to understand how and why to take a holistic approach to reform. But your sixth point (sans one of three sun-points) troubles me. How can you legitamately say:

"(1) Don't nominate anyone from the Northeast; (2) Don't nominate anyone with  an Ivy League undergraduate degree"

I agree with not running stiffs, but why would you take potentially good candidates off the table?

People who run should be good candidates who can inspire the electorate period. If they are from Maine or New York or Vermont or New Hampshire. And if they went to Harvard or Cornell or Yale shouldn't matter. Good candidates are good candidates. Bush went to Harvard and Yale and Bush's father was identified as a Northeasterner who went to Yale as well.

So these labels are artificially created by you as "problems" when they aren't problems for Republicans at all. They use all the tool available to them to win.

If you become head of the DNC you had better drop this bias and support all candidates who are Democrats.

by stillman on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:28:48 PM EST
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Re: From Donnie Fowler (none / 0)

Donnie,

Thanks for dropping by. Sorry I'm so late in replying but I just found out about this thread.

I'm not a voting member of the DNC so feel free to ignore me completely but... IF... I was a voting member you would still be in consideration for me... however... I'm concerned about your answer to #3.

Marketing approach?

I think that misses the mark a bit. Yes, you need to identify your voters and potential voters. Yes, you need to figure out what they care about. Yes, you need to be able to answer to that in a favorable way.

But don't you think we need to be able to define ourselves and our own core values better? Doesn't this election (and the past several) really point out that it is the lack of voter identification of who and what the Democrats are these days that is the problem?

That's not marketing. That's self-definition.

The polls showed that most folks felt the country was going in the wrong direction and that the Republicans did NOT represent their own positions on matters... yet folks voted for them... apparently because they felt that the Democrats did not provide a recognizable alternative.

This is where I think Lakoff's framing comes in. We as Democrats intuitively known who and what we are but are unable to communicate it outward in a way that responates easily with others that might be open to our vision. We need to solve this problem and it is much more fundamental than marketing schemes.

On the tech side of the actual question... yes, the databases and the info are invaluable tools.

In my view it is the state, county, city and town parties that need access to that info. It is neighbor to neighbor that we get out our voters and convince "swing" voters to vote Democratic. Not at the national level.

What are your views of the state parties? The county parties? And the relation of the DNC to them and vice versa?

How do you see all of that operating? Improving? Synchronizing?

The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Sat Jan 01, 2005 at 09:17:24 PM EST
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hey, yeah! (none / 0)

I remember seeing a whole hour-long CNN crap show about how crappy and unorganized the DEan campaign was.  Yeah, now that I think about it I remember DEan and Trippi remarking about not knowing about the money and who was paid staff.  And they thought it was great that they ceded control to local people everywhere.  Yeah THAT'S what this crappy party needs:  MORE disorganization.
by Sam Loomis on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:00:57 AM EST

Fowler (none / 0)

If Fowler was in charge of the MI opperation, is it encouraging that Kerry won the state by a significantly smaller margin than Gore did in 2000?  This IS a blue state, after all.
by HoosierJosh on Fri Dec 31, 2004 at 10:43:45 AM EST

Fowler increased Margin of Victory in 2004 (none / 0)

Kerry got 2.5 million votes in Michigan, Gore got only 2.2 million. Also, we picked up seats in Michigan Legislature.

These two facts alone encourage me about Donnie Fowler.

by hawker on Fri Dec 31, 2004 at 11:53:09 AM EST
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Re: DNC CattleCall: Holiday Edition (none / 0)

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