Hillary in 2008? Have mercy!

Yes indeed, four years is a very long time. The midterm elections, the Iraq debacle, any number of other shenanigans ol' dubya might be up to given his evermore rubberstampish cabinet and congress; not to mention the various and sundry vagaries of fickle fate. But the buzz is out there. And the buzz like Glenn Close will not be ignored. Hardly had the last teardrop dried on those long faces at the Kerry concession speech when the roar began. Low and slow at first, then louder.. hiiiiiiiiiiiillary, HIIIIIIIIIIIIILLARY! God have mercy on our poor souls.

Now let me say before I proceed here that I respect and admire Hillary Clinton. By any credible standard, she's proven herself an immensely capable, talented and intelligent politician. She would quite likely be a fine president (she's already been a fine co-president!). But I ask you, if politics was merely about experience and competence, would we now be saddled with the likes of dubya?!? In the choice words of an old friend of mine, "not bloody likely". Had the 2000 election been based on experience and competence alone, Gore'd done landslided. And heaven knows John Kerry would have prevailed. But Politics is not, so therefore Hillary almost surely would not; prevail that is. She would not because what politics is largely about is marketing. And selling Hillary in the red zone will be like trying to sell tofu in Crawford. It may well be good for em, but they just won't swallow it. It's simply basic branding folks. And in the end Hill's like that other picante sauce; you know, the one from "NEW YORK CITY!?!". In any case they'd be too busy burning her in effigy to take time to actually read her campaign literature. I'm afraid Hillary = another senator from the NE easily branded as a liberal by the GOP = another red zone lock out = probable additional Dem congressional losses = 4 more years wandering in the wilderness. Hey buddy, can ya spare a compass?

And please, enough already with the "vision thing" oh ye talking heads of punditry. Message delivered in the hands of an inauthentic messenger is futile. Bill Clinton's folksy centrist stump speech mouthed by, say, Michael Dukakis would've only served to widen that the loss margin in '88. You can't just talk it, ya gotta be it. At the very least you gotta SELL IT to a sufficient percentage of swing voters in those fly-over states. Hillary may have lived in AK, but Hillary ain't from AK. End of story.

If not Hill' then who? Well, we already know the winning formula. Bill Clinton's picture is in the dictionary under white house key. Look it up. Then read my lips: red state Governor (or at least former Gov) with a centrist message; stir in some home grown authenticity and then pray real hard for at least a little dash of charisma.

Now hear me out my loyal readers (all 2 1/2 of you). Lest this rant might seem to be just a thinly disguised ode to Bill, let me state clearly that I'm as PO'd at ol' slick as any supporter (not the least, Hillary herself) for single-handedly torpedoing the promise of a New Dem dynasty via the willful act of not keeping his torpedo properly tubed. Shame on him. This was no less than monumental irresponsibility of tragic proportion. And no amount of post presidential mia culpas will change that heart breaking fact (while I'm on the subject, what about this penchant among charismatic centrist politicos for groping women? What's up with that?!?). Be that as it may, his was and almost certainly remains a winning recipe for Dem resurgence.

Bill Clinton brought America together at the table. Hillary is a polarizing figure and will serve only to divide us yet again; this not unlike the manner that Bush divides us now. At least on the short-term such divisive politics play well for the GOP, given our electoral system, culture and regional character. For precisely the same reasons it will not work for the Dems anytime soon. To para-phrase Barry G (no not Gibb), divisiveness in the pursuit of governance is indeed a vice.

Consensus builders will be our salvation. Can I hear an AMEN!

Peace



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Amen. (none / 0)

Hillary's negatives should sink any thought of her candidacy before it starts. Tragically, she's been cast as the uber-dragon-lady (a mantle taken, bizarrely, away from Nancy Reagan) by people way outside the usual hateocracy; even my moderate friends wrinkle their nose at the idea of her. Her best position should be, and will be, as a prominent senator. It was good enough for Daniel Webster or William Fulbright, and her name could join theirs: no honor would be lost.
by RHG on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 12:31:11 PM EST

HRC (none / 0)

She is simply too polarizing
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 12:57:07 PM EST

Re: HRC (none / 0)

we finally have something upon which we agree. She is also not liked among some of the base
by bruh21 on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 01:08:28 PM EST
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Re: HRC (none / 0)

I think a majority can agree on this.

Because of the polarization figure, HRC cannot win the nomination.  She cannot win in November.  Sad to say, but if she gets the nomination, I will do nothing in terms of grassroots to get her elected.  Are we ready for a female President?  Yes.  Will it be HRC?  No.  Can HRC win in November?  No way.

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 01:46:51 PM EST
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The people that hate HRC never vote Dem anyway (none / 0)

The polarization discussion is a non-issue. The people that hate HRC would never support a Democrat anyway. Never ever.

I say that as someone who will be supporting a much more progressive candidate than HRC. She's way too centrist for me.

by afs on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 10:41:08 PM EST
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2008? (none / 0)

There are far too many diaries about 2008 these days.  Come on guys, the inaugural hasn't even taken place yet.  
by bellarose on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 01:15:52 PM EST

Re: 2008? (none / 0)

It is not too early to begin for the next rounds.  Carter started early.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 01:48:45 PM EST
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Can't Fight The Last Campaign (none / 0)

Losing parties often try to recreate their recent winning campaigns, but it can rarely be done. Would Bill Clinton have caught on without Perot in the race? Maybe, but it sure helped that Bush was taking fire on 2 fronts. Would Bill Clinton have been viewed as favorably if national security issues had been more prominent in 1992? I doubt it, Bill's waffles on the Gulf War were way beyond anything Kerry did on the Iraq War. The 2008 climate/issues are going to be different from those in 1992/96. The bottom line is that there really isn't a ready-made Democratic victory formula just awaiting the insertion of a Clinton-clone candidate. With that said, it wouldn't hurt to have someone who had some appeal to the less solid Red states, but it'd have to be real appeal - unlike Gore or Edwards who couldn't carry their home states. That type of appeal can't be assumed from a resume, it'll have to be demonstrated during the 2008 primary campaign.
by SLinVA on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 03:25:20 PM EST

1st major female Presidential candidate different (none / 0)

HRC is a woman. Changes the whole dynamic of the election.
by afs on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 10:43:49 PM EST
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Don't agree (none / 0)

I don't believe this southern governor strategy.

I'd much rather have Hillary than a southern governor. Gore failed to carry his home state (ok he wasn't a governor), Edwards didn't help claim his. (again not a governor)

We need the Kerry/Gore states plus Ohio or Florida (and then any others we can get our hands on) Hoping to pick southern states is pretty optomistic.

Poor Kerry gets destroyed having served the nation in Vietnam, against a president that used family connections to avoid having to fight.

As if Warner or whoever, is not going to get tainted for something they may, or may not, have done in their past.

It's just the way the republicans play the game.

Yes Hillary would suffer, but so would anyone else.

by kundalini on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 07:25:02 PM EST

I want a charismatic progressive. (none / 0)

Hmmm... I may be waiting a while for that. Hey, Mick Foley is a Dem...... ;)
by afs on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 10:45:41 PM EST
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Hell Yeah (none / 0)

A President who'll speak for all of mankind . . . With a policy on torture we can rally behind!
Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Tue Dec 21, 2004 at 03:48:31 PM EST
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hill needs to chill. (none / 0)

She may be so elated over her 06 senate race, that could be enough for her.
I hope so.
I can't bear the thought of her dressed in an unflattering camouflage pant suit, shooting defenseless animals, as she desperately tries to appeal to red state voters.
by xpat on Mon Dec 20, 2004 at 12:40:02 AM EST


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