MyDD :: "Kerry Actually Won Missouri": CGCS

"Kerry Actually Won Missouri": CGCS

by JamBoi, Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 01:46:28 PM EST

Found posted in Common Ground Common Sense:
" MISSOURI LOVES COMPANY & SHE COULD USE SOME RIGHT ABOUT NOW
One of our more active members wpshreve has been following developments on the Presidential Election Results in Missouri. It seems the Missouri Votescam Action Team has discovered that John Kerry actually won Missouri.

Currently they need people in Greene, Jackson and Lewis Counties to come forward. Please forward this message to friends in those areas and ask them to contact Matt Fox

Matt wrote the following article for Op/Ed News:..." Click here for article and CGCS thread. UPDATED
Prior thread on Missouri investigation

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Disruption (3.00 / 1)

Personally, I think the Dems could use a good "kick in the arse," so to speak. That is why I went a bit overboard myself, on DU, in calling for people to register as Independents to make a statement until something tangible comes out of the election fraud efforts. We know that temporary boycotts are highly effective in getting corporations to act a certain way, why can't they be just as effective for political parties?

Skinner makes it sound as if the Democratic Party is in a very fragile state and that any attempt to split the party can only be bad. I also notice that DU is slowly trying to shift its internet community to the Right. The editorials by Auntie "Pinko" are subtly trying to persuade us to get over the election fraud and move on.

I feel that there is much more going on here than we can see on the surface and it strikes much deeper into the heart of the Party. The silence on PNAC speaks volumes in and of itself.

I look forward to using these blogs as a vehicle to make statements that may be considered too "disruptive" on DU.

by AntiFascist on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 08:13:53 PM EST

Re: Disruption (none / 0)

AF,

Do you have a blog yet?

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 11:25:34 PM EST
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Re: Disruption (3.00 / 1)

Just what I have here: antifascist.mydd.com

I might start posting stuff.

by AntiFascist on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 12:30:09 AM EST
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You do not know me but... (3.00 / 1)

My name is Pipes, I was member of DU until earlier today. I was following the "jamboi" story carefully throughout the day, and I asked skinner a question about what happened and after a few back and forth replies, nothing major...I was tomb stoned.
For no stanking reason. I had like 80 some posts but was an avid reader and they fuckin banned me- like BLAMMO- there you go. There will be nothing remotely close to discension on this website-I am skinner, I have spoken...

I mean if we are turning into the BFEE by way of how we treat each other, HOW IN THE FUCK CAN WE BEAT THEM?

Anyway my two cents...sorry that you were exiled. I guess they don't really care to reapir the system.

Funny thing is that I am just a lil guy in the grand scheme and I wanted to know what the hell happened to you because you always seemed to be constructive. But I see that the DU isn't as cool as I thought. I will be looking for a new home now!

Pipes

by pipes on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 08:47:45 PM EST

Re: You do not know me but... (none / 0)

Doh! Really sorry to hear that. Unfortunately Not_Without_A_Fight and geo were also turfed today under similar circumstances. I don't think suppression is the way to go. I and probably a lot of people would be happy to alter our behavior if there is a problem. But I'd need to actually be told what I'm doing wrong, and I haven't heard anything back from Skinner yet. Still hoping.

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 11:29:04 PM EST
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Re: You do not know me but... (none / 0)

Also I posted my e-mail in my profile now, so feel free to write.

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 11:29:55 PM EST
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Rocket Scientist You Are Not (1.00 / 1)

Come on Jamboi, what did you expect -- you were championing Wayne Madsen as if you were his PR rep even when everyone with a few brain cells could see that he is completely insane. That 29 million dollar check was an obvious fraud yet you would have taken it to the bank. I mean who ever heard of a "money order" for more than a thousand bucks. Yet Madsen did not even call the bank to see if it was good before he wrote his lunatic fringe story. Then you accepted his lunacy about Five Star Trust and Marion Horn when Horn just got out of a mental hospital. Yea, Bush is going to use a nut to hack the election, yea Bush is going to use NASA to do his dirty work, yea Bush is going to use some juveniles from Bay School to rig the vote machines. And everything to you is a Rove conspiracy. You wasted so much of everyone's time on the blogs it was a disgrace. Madsen this, Madsen that -- well Madsen totally discredited himself and you are in his sinking boat. Then you did a post to discredit Justice Through Music, like so much of your disinformation, when that org is the one who located Curtis in the first place. No, don't cry over your own doing. You are not a good person, and you will not be missed at by honest people on the blogs. Let me tell you pal, there was a lot of applause when you got dumped off of DU. Everyone knows you are a troll, Madsen's jamboi, and you have no life so you spread disinformation so people will spin their wheels and chase ghosts. Best thing for you to do is disappear. Shut down this lame blog, take a long vacation and get a life. And face the fact that you did this to yourself. Good riddance. You can kiss all the ass of the DU admins you want but they have already received over 262 complaints against you and over 156 letters supporting their decision. You will not be allowed back. You can't rob a bank and expect to work there after apologizing. No boi, you are through with the reputable blogs. You made enemies, go back to work in the White House basement but don't bother us at DU. Admin.

by deepthroat on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 10:41:11 PM EST

Re: Rocket Scientist You Are Not (none / 0)

Yo anonymous deepthroat, I never claimed to be a Rocket Scientist,

I wish you had the courage to identify yourself. Nevertheless I'll give you the respect you didn't give me and try to address your points, many of which I fully recognize have merit.

Whoever you are at DU I'm sorry you feel so personally angry at me. Its true that I made a number of mistakes and I think one of them was that I publically questioned JTM's credibility. You may not have seen it, but I did put out a retraction on that and I did kick it a number of times, though about that time I got a Mod note that said I shouldn't kick things as often as I had been so I immediately discontinued that practice and it didn't get nearly as much exposure as my original thread did.

I have no apologies for exploring, scrutinizing and critiquing Madsens story at DU. I do not see how we can figure out whether a story is valid if we don't examine it long enough to make a judgement. As I posted over and over and over again, I have not made up my mind about whether and how much of Madsen's story is accurate. I don't claim to know, just to have struck up some simple form of relationship with Madsen that allowed me to correspond with him and post some of his comments when he was unavailable to do that for himself. I have at least enough trust in Madsen to think his stuff is worth a look and enough skepticism to take it with a big grain of salt. If it doesn't appeal to you don't partake of it. It will either stand or fall on its own merit and only time will tell how valid it is.

Specific things like the check, etc that you mention above I'll be dealing with over at my DailyKos blog.

Thanks and I wish the best for you,

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 11:45:44 PM EST
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Re: Rocket Scientist You Are Not (3.00 / 1)

Two things of note here: JamBoi received 262 complaints (if Deepthroat's statement is true) and DUers who have been following JamBoi's posts on the 2004 forum have been largely supportive of JamBoi and often critical of the admins. There must be a few moderates or conservatives who are terrified of what Madsen may be uncovering and they may be putting pressure on DU to shut it off. Why would they be so active in trying to discredit JamBoi after he has been tombstoned? I look forward to seeing future posts on DailyKos. (My apologies to DU if deepthroat is not who he claims to be.)

by AntiFascist on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 07:09:42 AM EST
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Re: Rocket Scientist You Are Not (none / 0)

Well I think its notable that "deepthroat" threw all kinds of mud on me, but doesn't have the courage to reveal who he is. Who knows if he has anything to do with DU admin. I don't believe that. He pulls (as Al Franken would say) numbers out of his butt and expects us to believe them. That's an O'leily tactic. If he is really an admin then he should just e-mail me privately and give a reasonable explanation of why I've been tombstoned. Since when does trying to examine the work of a controversial investigative reporter constitute "disruption" and since when is censorship a Democratic ideal? Despite the fact that at least 4 people were tombstoned almost simultaneously because of their support of me I still want to believe in DU and Skinner and that this is just a misunderstanding that can be remedied. I don't believe that this "deepthroat" at all represents DU. "deepthroat" is what I would truly call a "disrupter".

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 12:44:07 PM EST
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Re: Rocket Scientist You Are Not (3.00 / 1)

If this is really an admin at DU, then this certainly points out the quality of that website. Talk about personal attacks!

Such anger!

by helpisonthe way on Wed Dec 22, 2004 at 10:41:51 AM EST
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Re: Rocket Scientist You Are Not (none / 0)

Really! And if I want to persue something that is totally tin foil hat in their estimation, what is that to them? I'm not them and it doen't mean they are approving or agreeing with it. Anyway I'd be happy to move the Madsen thing off of DU (which I've done now anyway) if that is the issue. Unfortunately I've never been told what the real issues are. Probably never will be told.

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Wed Dec 22, 2004 at 05:51:06 PM EST
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I thought that was it. (3.00 / 1)

Hi JamBoi. When I heard you had been excommunicated, I wondered what it was and I thought that might have been it. I think that was a misunderstanding. I have never seen you as being in any way disruptive. I have been a Dem since birth, yet I too was infuriated when I received that email from the DNC, and I was moved to write them on my own a scathing letter, saying I thought that they might belong in jail too, since they had not been representing the people in having their vote counted.
You borrowed the word "crush" as in a mailbox from another posting about Conyer's mailbox. It seemed quite innocuous to me, and by God, they had better hear from us or there won't be a party.
Anyway being an exile can have its good points. It is kind of quiet around DU with you not posting 20,000 times a day.

by Ojai Person on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 12:22:41 AM EST

Re: I thought that was it. (none / 0)

Yo Ojai, Good to here from you. Stragely several others were Xed appearently just because they spoke up in favor of me. pipes, geo and Not_Without_A_Fight so far. Summararily executed with no word as to why. Just bumped off. Weird. I don't see that as a liberal attitude.

ttys,

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 12:47:12 AM EST
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This is pipes...I need to clarify... (3.00 / 1)

I never spoke either way in the tomb stone. I was canned for asking what in the hell happenend. Never a complaint or flame or nothing. NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.

I was curious about what in the hell was going on. I asked what about Madsen and then I was canned. There is more to this I believe.

Hey DU Admin...if you can give Jamboi an explanation than what about me. Look it up, pipes is my name and disrupting wasn't my game. I guess things must not be as they seem!

Pipes

by pipes on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 12:20:05 PM EST

Re: This is pipes...I need to clarify... (none / 0)

I didn't get an explanation yet either Pipes, so join the club. Please e-mail me at my posted e-mail address under my profile.

Thanks!

JamBoi

Just another Jesus followin' Green for Constitutional Democracy. :-)
dailyJam.blogspot.com

by JamBoi on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 06:33:48 PM EST
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a little more (3.00 / 1)

Several us who were - if anything - in the "anti-jamboi" camp were also summarily tossed over the weekend.

I broke no rules, started no flame wars - quite the opposite - was never even impolite to anyone and while I was skeptical of many of the things that jamboi posted and that Bev supporters posted, both SomethinsGotaGive and I tried to take a middle course and dampen down the flame wars.

My Democratic party creds are impeccable, and I received dozens of pm's and emails of support and thanks from other members over the last couple of months for my contributions to DU.

It came as a complete shock to be banned and I have no idea why I was.

by mberst on Thu Dec 23, 2004 at 05:31:13 PM EST

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