Feingold

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Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) could run for the WH in '08 without losing his seat. A "presumably crowded" IA field would "benefit Feingold," and he could also do well in NH, "which likes its mavericks," like WI. The '04 lesson was "what happens in Iowa can determine what happens in" NH. In '04, Feingold received 143K more votes than John Kerry and 154K more than Pres. Bush. At the close of the post-election reporting period, he had $585K cash-on-hand, and top Dems "expect Feingold to do some national traveling and make some preliminary explorations" of the WH idea. They agree he'll "have a plan and proceed accordingly." A source: "He just accomplished an impressive victory in a heartland swing-state in a year that wasn't so kind to" Dems, "so I think he will be looked at as a new voice for the party as it moves forward." The source added that Feingold has "every intention of continuing to use his voice to build the party, to speak out on important issues and to advance a progressive reform agenda tat not only has a lot of support" in WI "but across the country."
Feingold is in an odd position. Even though he has won three terms in the US Senate, he actually is still known as a "reformer" and an "outsider," due in no small part to the constant repetition of the "McCain-Feingold" legislation in the national media. Because of this reputation, among all Democratic Senators, except perhaps Obama, I think he would be the best bet to capture the non-ideological reformers that I believe are a key to future Democratic success. Then again, we thought Kerry's national image as a war hero was already fixed in people's minds as well...

I don't know what his verbal skills are in talking to the base, but he seems generally well liked among progressives. He would also benefit from the new partisan map. In fact, being from Wisconsin he would have an astonishing 248 electoral votes with a +5 or greater partisan index in his favor. Overall, Feingold is an intriguing possibility.



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Feingold (3.00 / 1)

He is my favorite Senator, and would be a great president. I've always loved Feingold, and he was the only one with the courage to oppose the Patriot Act (he saw what was coming). He would easily win Wisconsin, and probably a few "maverick-loving" states like Iowa, New Hampshire...maybe even the maverick capital, Montana.

His being a down-to-earth Midwesterner might help him to win Ohio and tighten the Democratic grip on the Great Lakes by winning larger majorities in Minnesota, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The one question is how he would do in the southwest. If he listened to me, he'd campaign just as hard in Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico as he would in Ohio, New Hampshire, or Iowa. I don't even care all that much about Florida anymore, but campaigning in swing areas like Orlando and Tampa wouldn't hurt.

The point is, whoever wins has to do strongly in the Great Lakes and not overlook the southwest. They also need to rally the base instead of pandering to moderates, which never works anyway.

by raginillinoian on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 01:57:04 PM EST

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And Russ is single-handedly responsible for Ashcroft becoming Attorney General.

I voted for him for Senator, again, because I had no other choice. I wouldn't have voited for a Republican if Howard Dean had moved to Wisconsin in time to run to reform the GOP...

But I'm not voting for Russ for President, ever and I'm bitter, bitter, bitter that I was left with only Russ as a choice for Senate.

Shame on Russ Feingold.

by 16 on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 10:37:17 PM EST
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Details on this?
by Zhirrad on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 12:17:51 AM EST
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The short version (none / 0)

In 2001 there were enough votes to kill the Ashcroft nomination in the relevant senate committee.  (We didn't have enough to stop it on the floor, but the committee was deadlocked.)  Then Feingold broke ranks and voted for Ashcroft "As my personal olive branch to the Bush Administration."

He says that he believes a president should have a lot of leeway in choosing his cabinet, but the result of Sen. Feingold's principles were a dismal attorney general and the lack of a single Democratic victory during those awful first few months after the election was stolen.

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by Go Vegetarian on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 01:27:28 AM EST
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That said... (none / 0)

Feingold was the only Dem. senator to vote against the PATRIOT Act, and in my mind those two sort of cancel each other out.
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by Go Vegetarian on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 01:28:09 AM EST
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Re: The short version (none / 0)

I doubt that anyone could find a candidate who hasn't made a "wrong" decision.  I also doubt that you could find unanimty on just which decisions were "wrong".

I suggest looking at the overall career history.  You can't have a big tent if you expect absolute orthodoxy to your specific issues.

Feingold is a highly respected progressive who has certainly demonstrated that his core values/beliefs are consistent with this party.

by DrKen on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 12:46:46 PM EST
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Re: Feingold (none / 0)

no one took on ashcroft more that feingold, including not a one democrat on the patriot act except feingold

ashcroft is gone and feingold won big this election.

get over it

by u4reform on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 05:17:42 PM EST
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Feingold (3.00 / 1)

I like Feingold a lot.  He excites me much more than the current likely slate of candidates.
by alhill on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 02:15:53 PM EST

Might explain why he is moving to the middle a bit (3.00 / 1)

Because while Feingold voted for the intelligence bill, because of its  reforms, he opposed much of the expansion of law enforcement power (and hmm, space weapons program). 'Most of it was not part of the Sept. 11 panel's recommendations.'

"I am troubled by some provisions that were added in conference that have nothing to do with reforming our intelligence network," Feingold said. He later added: "This Justice Department has a record of abusing its detention powers post-9/11 and of making terrorism allegations that turn out to have no merit."

more here: www.politicalthought.net

by ivolsky on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 02:44:17 PM EST

Feingold is a good guy (3.00 / 1)

I worked in the Wisconsin State Senate from 1988 to 1991, when Russ Feingold was a state senator.  He represents everything we would want in a politician: a sense of humility when it comes to responding to constituent concerns, a solid middle class guy, an intellectual man who was viewed in high regard among othre senators, staffers, lobbyists and press.  He most of all was not corrupt nor involved in any scandals at any time while I was there.  Lastly, he had some very bright, professional, smart people working for him.  If there was any Senator who deserved to make a play at national politics and succeed it would be Russ Feingold.  I voted for him in 1992 (his first Senate race) and I have been watching his career ever since (even though I don't live there any more).
by TheFactsAreBiased on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 02:49:14 PM EST

Well, (3.00 / 1)

at least I could tell my kids that I once shook the hand of a president since I met him this past fall in WI.

Positives: He is bright, tough, and articulate. He is a member of the progressive caucus and can legitimately carry the reform torch.

Negatives: His ability to inspire and motivate is average. So, his ability to make a connection with a national consituency that does not know him will be a concern. And, he will need to raise a ton of cash because he does not have any family connections to rely on.  

by dicta on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 02:58:41 PM EST

McCain vs. Feingold (none / 0)

Now there would be an interesting race.
by Chris Andersen on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 03:49:21 PM EST

Re: McCain vs. Feingold (none / 0)

There is zip zero chance McCain will ever receive the nomination from his party especially with the Bush win of this year. The best that he could have hoped for was a Bush lose. Now, the crackpots rule. He's knows it. That's why he tip toes around calling a duck, a duck, or in this case, an incompetent Secretary of Defense incompetent. He's too "moderate" for Republican primaries.
by bruh21 on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 08:27:26 PM EST
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man... (3.00 / 1)


I would get excited about a Feingold run.  He's been very principled - the patriot act, his positions on encryption, everything.

by joshyelon on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 05:39:02 PM EST

He would have a shot...but only if... (none / 0)

...the foundation is built well in advance.

I think the country has to be brought to the 'left' a lot more before his candidency would have even a 50-50 shot. In today's climate, Feingold couldn't win a single Southern or Western Plains/Mountain state either... not one. Not even contest most Southern or Plains states...

And don't get me wrong, I like him... like him a lot.

Unless the Dems do a whole lot of work between now and 2008 redefining the issues and clarifying what we stand for... Feingold would get beat up as bad or worse than Kerry did.

This is why a solid DNC chairman is SO important... We need to start working now to have any shot at 2008 no matter who runs...

by dryfly on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 06:10:40 PM EST

mmmmmmm (none / 0)

Tasty!  Keep 'em coming!
by IrishAlum on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 06:19:48 PM EST

Half of a dream ticket (3.00 / 1)

Russ Feingold is a fine Senator with an admirable record on global AIDS and other issues of moral agency.  He is also a very intelligent guy--Rhodes scholar and all that.  He made it into the Senate in 1992 on the Wellstone model, portraying the comfortable incumbent as distant and himself as a plucky upstart, even showing commercials where Feingold's own humble home was contrasted with the gate outside the Republican's Wisconsin abode.  He is a fine politician in the honorable tradition of upper Midwestern progressive populism.

My dream ticket for '08 is some variation of Russ and Bill Richardson, so this is very exciting news.

(and I'm not just saying all this 'cuz I'm angling for an internship in his office).

by Zhirrad on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 08:11:27 PM EST

Re: Half of a dream ticket (none / 0)

Your choice is indeed an interesting and vibrant one- when kerry was making his selection for VP I actually was favoring Richardson ( I like Edwards) but I think richardson was more exciting (maybe it was all that midwest speak?)
by bruh21 on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 08:29:08 PM EST
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Re: Half of a dream ticket (none / 0)

opps- western speak not midwest
by bruh21 on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 08:29:28 PM EST
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Great Senator (none / 0)

He is a great senator but history has shown that, Kennedy aside, the past several Presidents elected have had executive experience.  Feingold lacks the executive experience.  He certainly is one of my favorite senators.

Since I am on dial up now, I won't try and get into any heated arguments...too much time to load the page.

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 09:17:26 PM EST

Go Russ!!! (none / 0)

He is my pick hands down. Feingold-Napolitano '08 is my dream ticket as long as Governor Napolitano wins a second term as Gov in 2006
Give Bush his ticket to Crawford Texas!
by OldDemocrat on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 09:48:19 PM EST

Advantages for Feingold (none / 0)

  1. Russ Feingold has many friends in labor.  He has consistently opposed unfair trade agreements -- he voted against NAFTA, WTO, and most favored nation trading status for China -- that have cost us hundreds of thousnads of jobs.  He has consistently fought to protect American jobs.  If he can secure a couple of big endorsements from labor, he would have huge momentum.

  2. Even though many people may not know a lot about Senator Feingold, most likely primary and caucus voters are familiar with McCain-Feingold.  Russ courageously put his Senate seat at risk by pushing for campaign finance reform. If you're a Demorcat and there's a Republican senator you want to be assoicated with, it's definitely John McCain.

  3. Wisconsin borders Iowa.  Historically, candidates from states bordering Iowa have fared well in the Iowa caucuses.

  4. Unlike most of his potential rivals, Russ Feingold courageously voted against giving George W. Bush a blank check to invade Iraq.  At the time of the vote, Feingold correctly pointed out that an invasion of Iraq would be a diversion from the war on terror.  How prophetic!

  5. Russ has won elections when he was outspent by his opponents.  He was outspent by his opponents in the '92 primary, '92 general, and '98 general elections, yet still managed to prevail.  I really appreciate how Russ has talked about having more of a grass roots party.  He wants the Democratic party to rely less on big contributors and instead expand the number of small contributors.  

  6. Even though Russ may not be the most dynamic speaker, I think he could really excel in the town hall meeting format with Iowa and New Hampshire voters. Even his critics concede his command and understanding of the issues. The more voters get to know Russ, the more they will like him.

by whodat527 on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 09:57:55 PM EST

Re: Advantages for Feingold (none / 0)

7.  He is very media savvy (or he just has a great media team, does it really matter which?)  If you haven't seen his ads, take a minute to check them out: http://www.russfeingold.org/multimedia.php

He had many of the best ads in the '04 cycle, in my opinion.

by underwriter on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 04:46:09 AM EST
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Someone To Get Excited About (none / 0)

Feingold has the potential to be a great President. Chris is 100% right about him being a liberal reformer--and thus having the potential to catalyze a political realignment that could actually bring him the power to get things done.

The biggest concern people seem to have is that he's not a dynamic speaker. Well, ladies and gentlement, I give you George W. Bush as exhibit "A" on how little this really matters.

What's more, people have a way of growing when they run for President. Not everyone, but the ones who have something authentic to offer really do seem to grow in the process. I think we saw that with both Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich this last time out. Unfortunately, we did not see it with John Kerry.

by Paul Rosenberg on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 10:33:44 PM EST

Russ Feingold Candidacy for President (none / 0)

I know little about Feingold except that he stood for his principles when he may have been the only Senator standing....and he stood straigt and tall, with courage. For me, that alone makes him an interesting and refreshing candidate.
by Debi White on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 11:09:28 PM EST

I like Feingold a lot (none / 0)

He would be a great president and I would certainly give him my serious consideration in a caucus or primary, but I wonder how well his maverick/outsider image would transfer to other states.

Yes, he did much better than Kerry did in WI, but he is very well known to the voters in WI. How good is he going to look to the rest of the country after the right-wing hate machine goes to work on him? Remember that less than 1 percent of the population even knows who he is right now.

To my mind, the biggest problem we face is the conservative domination of the media agenda. No matter who is the Democratic nominee, no matter how moderate or maverick or well-spoken, he will be demonized on radio and tv, with a whispering campaign in the churches add for good measure. ("Did you know Feingold does not believe that Jesus Christ is our savior?")

We need to address this problem if Feingold or anyone else is to have a chance in 2008.

John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 12:26:47 AM EST

Get to know him. (none / 0)

Q & A at the wispolitics.com Lunch lecture series video (long, Internet Explorer only)

That's me asking the question on drug policy and the drugwar at the end.

Also, video of his debates in the last race Oct. 1 Oct. 16 (also IE only.)



Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 01:14:55 AM EST

Draft Feingold Yahoo group (unofficial) (none / 0)

here.

It's my hope to transition to an official, as in FEC registered Draft sometime in January. No fundraising until that threshold is crossed.



Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 01:18:54 AM EST

The first Jewish President? (none / 0)

As a Jew, let me broach the subject that's been avoided so far, the proverbial "elephant in the living room." Russ Feingold is Jewish, and has a traditionally Jewish last name. What effect, if any, would that have on the race?

Just as Catholic presidential candidate Al Smith was hurt by claims that he would take orders from the Pope, and JFK had to reassure Protestants that he wouldn't, Feingold may be accused of being in Israel's pocket, simply because of his religion. Even pro-Israel voters might be afraid to elect him, fearing that he'd have to compensate for his perceived bias by taking a hard line with Israel.

In any case, general anti-semitism would inevitably be a factor. A 2003 Fox News poll found that 12% said that they'd be less likely to vote for a Jewish candidate, and a University of Florida study the same year found that 11% of Floridians would actually be "angered" by a Jewish candidate!

One likely positive factor would be increased support among Jewish voters. However, Jews make up only about 3% of the electorate, and most already vote Democratic. (74% voted for Kerry.) Also, the states with the largest Jewish population are nearly all blue states already. There may not be much more to gain from a Jewish loyalty effect.

I'd like to think a Jew could be elected President in today's America, but I doubt it's going to happen in 2008. A Jewish Vice President is possible, as Liebermann showed, and I'd rather have Feingold than Liebermann any day. But being V.P. would be a waste of Russ's talents; I'd rather have him in the Senate.

by Horq on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 03:24:17 AM EST

Re: The first Jewish President? (none / 0)

It seems that Senators make the transition by serving as VP before running for President.  Truman was VP.  LBJ was VP.  Mondale was a VP.  Gore was VP.  But before being the VP, they were in the Senate.

I am all for getting a Jew in the White House.  I hope I am not the first Jew but I want to be in there some day to.

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 09:41:35 AM EST
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Re: The first Jewish President? (none / 0)

That 11 or 12 percent would never vote Democratic anyway, so it doesn't matter. On the Mid-East John McCain was right when he said he always does what his conscience dictates. Feingold has a history of standing up for what he believes in, go that shouldn't forgotten. He won't be scewed by politics on Israel in either direction.
by teenagelunatic on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 09:52:07 AM EST
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NO NO NO NO NO (none / 0)

I like Feingold.  We need more like him in the Senate.  10 would be a good start.  But good God, haven't we learned a DAMN THING?!?!

SENATORS DON'T WIN!

by Silent E on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 07:58:23 AM EST

Russ is a Different Kind of Senator (none / 0)

Unlike John Krrry, Russ has a record of accompishment in the Senate. He can discuss his fights for campaign finance reform, universal healthcare, fiscal resposnsibility, and protecting American jobs.  Russ voted against the resolution to authorize the war in Iraq, but he voted "yes" on the $87 billion to support our troops.

As far as religion is concerned, I am a Catholic and Russ's religion has absolutely no impact on my vote.  Unlike Joe Lieberman, Russ rarely discusses his religion in public.  The few people who wouldn't vote for Russ based on his religion are probably the same people who would never vote for a Democrat anyway.  I am looking for the best qualified candidate with whom I generally agree on the issues and who articulates a vision for a better America.  I've found that person, and his name is Russ Feingold.

by whodat527 on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 09:00:09 AM EST

Re: Russ is a Different Kind of Senator (none / 0)

"The few people who wouldn't vote for Russ based on his religion are probably the same people who would never vote for a Democrat anyway."

What about Black Christian fundamentalists?

by enfant terrible on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 09:55:33 AM EST
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Re: Russ is a Different Kind of Senator (none / 0)

they would vote for russ rather than a republican who will make the poor poorer
by teenagelunatic on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 09:53:13 AM EST
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The First Jewish President? (none / 0)

I agree with the post by Horq. It is extremely unfortunate, but there is still a LOT of anti-semitism in this country. You find it in all sorts of places that you think you wouldn't. It's very unfortunate. Even though Feingold has a lot of reformer credentials and can conjure up that image, the more likely scenario is that his last name will hurt him. People in the south and parts of the midwest and west might even also in a knee-jerk fashion think he is from the Northeast and an east coast liberal simply because of his name. I would love to be proven wrong about this. I think he could very easily be tagged a liberal 'northerner', even though Wisconsin is very much heartland in a lot of ways, and is quite remote geographically from the Atlantic seaboard.

Also, I agree with the other post about senators not winning. We need a governor, not another senator. Clinton and Carter were both governors and they won. The only two Dems to win since 1964. The 2008 Dem ticket needs to be NON-Capitol hill. Otherwise, it's very difficult to claim the reform mantle, no matter what legislation your name is on. Richardson should definitely be on the ticket in some fashion in 2008. With Richardson on the ticket, Dems take Florida, Arizona, New Mexico, and Nevada.

by JT on Wed Dec 15, 2004 at 06:04:11 PM EST

feingold (none / 0)

I worked for Russ for 3 1/2 years, and he's a terrific public servant.  He's principled, smart and hard-working.  Those not familiar with Russ may not know he holds "listening sessions" in every WI county (there are 72) each year.  He shows up, speaks for a few minutes, then takes questions - and some of them can get pretty hostile - for the next 80 minutes.  These are not orchestrated "meet the Senator" photo-ops with screened audiences; they're genuine public meetings, and staff attend to take notes on things that need following up.  Nobody has to sign a loyalty oath to get in.

I know some of Russ' votes have angered people on both sides of the political spectrum, but he votes the way he does based on principle.  Anyone doubting that should take a look at some of the messages that came into his office after voting against the Patriot Act.

I don't know if Russ really wants to be president, and I couldn't possibly predict his chances of success, but I know if he decides to run, I'm signin' up to help.

by whitman on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 08:37:13 AM EST

Feingold for President? (3.00 / 0)

check out this great piece on Feingold from the Nation

http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/index.mhtml?bid=1&pid=2071

by u4reform on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 12:39:41 PM EST

Re: Feingold for President? (none / 0)

Much of which is drawn from this thread.

He grabbed a quote from the hotline, the "Over at www.mydd.com, a popular Democratic website, political writer Chris Bowers observes, ..."

Then "The interest in a Feingold candidacy has even sparked the development of a "Russ Feingold for President" Internet forum."



Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 04:14:02 PM EST
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Draft Feingold - contact us (none / 0)

Hey -

We're a group of Iowans who are planning a "Draft Feingold" movement.  It sounds as if there are lots of Russ fans across the country, and we'd love to work with you.

The above comments are correct.  While he is a Senator, he is the ultimate outsider.  Having turned down and voted against every pay raise, voting against the war and the USAPATRIOT Act, campaign finance reform, etc, he's more of a reformer that than any of our other potential 2008 options.

We need to reclaim the midwestern/western populist message if we want to win.  No more southerners, no more northeasterners - we need a reformer from the land of Lafollette to win.

Right now - we are designing our website, however, anyone who wishes to contact us can do so at draftruss@gmail.com  

Please, Feingold-iacs we need to band together and build a nationwide draft effort.

by ficus on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 04:33:32 PM EST


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