Post-Election Strategy Memo, Part One

As many books as we write about them, our enemy is not Bill O'Reilly, or Rush Limbaugh, or even George Bush. Further, as much griping as we may do about them over the next few months, our problem is not Terry McAuliffe, or Bob Shrum, or any of our candidates. Individuals are neither our enemy, nor our problem. Instead, our enemy and our problem is conservatism itself. Yesterday, John Kerry won among self-described Independents and "moderates" by greater margins than George Bush won among the nation as a whole. Yesterday, we improved on our 2000 vote by 10%, more than twice the 4.7% increase in the national population since 2000. Our activism kicked ass. Our ability to appeal to the center kicked ass. Our problem is that we are in the minority. Our mistake would be to start blaming individuals and creating scapegoats.

Instead of either individuals or the way we run campaigns, our problem is conservatism itself. Yesterday, John Kerry and our Congressional candidates, including my beloved Ginny, lost because a far greater percentage of the electorate identified themselves as conservative (33%) than as liberal (21%). Had the numbers of liberals and conservatives been equal, then John Kerry would have won with 54%+ of the national vote, and well over 379 electoral votes (Bill Clinton's highest total). Ginny would have won in a landslide. Our problem is that there are more conservatives than there are liberals.

This is not always about campaigns. This is not always about how much money we raise for candidates, how many volunteers we provide for candidates, how many news stories we manage to break, how good our media is, and how well we do in picking the most electable candidate as our nominee. Instead, this also must be about defeating conservatism itself, something conservatives long ago realized about defeating liberalism. For nearly forty years now, the national electorate has been decidedly tilted in favor of conservatives, who at any given moment have outnumbered us by anywhere from 50-80%. It has been proven time and time again that liberals can win among moderates. In fact, 1984 and 1972 were probably the only two elections over the past forty years when Democrats did not win among self-described moderates. John Kerry is a liberal, and he won convincingly among moderates. Not only does our ground game kick ass, we sell ourselves to moderates just fine. These are not our problems.

When conservatives are 33% of the electorate, and liberals are only 21%, we start twelve points down in every campaign. The solution to this problem is not to move to the center and take the left for granted. The solution to this problem is not to simply energize the base so completely that our activism and energy alone carry us over the top. Unfortunately, the debate we will see over the next few weeks and months will probably be framed by these two positions. In the end, both are unfortunately temporary and purely tactical. Also, both ignore the fact that we do an excellent job at both. However, even if one or the other occasionally works, they both fail to take account the difficulties of governing a country where we start twelve points down in every approval rating poll, and twelve points down in every legislative proposal we wish to pass.

The solution to our problems, the only solution that actually addresses our problems rather than criticizes us for not doing well at tasks where we actually excel, is to increase the number of liberals in this country at a more rapid pace than the number of conservatives are increasing. We must grow liberalism. Personally, I do not even like the term "liberal", as it has a connection to laissez-fare economic and trade policies that I find abhorrent. However, if that is the term we are stuck with, then so be it. It is a large and empty word anyway, but maybe it is something George Lakoff can work on over the next few years.

Our activism and ground game crushed Republicans this time around, even more than it did four years ago. We brought millions more to the polls than we did four years ago, largely because we had so many people on the ground. We did six points better among independents than we did four years ago. We had much more airplay than we had four years ago, due significantly to our massively increased small-donor database. According to exit polls, we sold ourselves to moderates and Independents much better than we did four years ago. However, because we decreased in size, because the Democratic advantage in name ID dropped from 4% to zero, and because the deficit of liberals to conservatives at the polls increased from 9% to 12%, we got beat. We worked much harder and much better than ever before. We sold ourselves much better than before too, but we lost because we decreased in size.

We have to define liberalism according to positive semiotic frames. We have to be willing to take these frames to every corner of the nation, and run candidates in every single race in every single district (preparation for which begins today). We have to be willing to spend tens of millions of dollars not to win elections, not to help "worthy causes," but simply to sell liberalism. We cannot be reconciliatory, since the conservative reactionaries never have been, and never will be. This has worked to their advantage. Being conservative must become a dirty word. We must become willing to insult people for being conservative. We must recognize that this struggle is permanent, and does not only happen in campaign years, and must not only be waged against specific individuals or policies. It is a permanent ideological war.

Our growing activism and ability to sell ourselves, when combined with equivalence in ideological self-identification, would make us nearly invincible against the current reactionaries in the Republican Party. If we had a 12% advantage in ideology at the polls, then Republicans would be forced to scrap their reactionary ways altogether. If 33% of the electorate had been liberal, and 21% of the electorate had been conservative, then John Kerry would have won by 20 points. He would have won not only the Dakotas, but also every southern state except Alabama and Texas (which would have been very close). That is the America I would like to see--an American where reactionary politics have no chance of national victory.

Our growing activist strength was a sight to behold this time around, and I will write more about it in part two of this "memo." However, in 2008, we could become even more active and do even better on the ground, but still lose because we have kept shrinking. We have to grow the left wing. We have to sell liberalism. We must crush conservatism itself. This will be accomplished by activism alone. This will not be accomplished by "moving to the center." In fact, this will not even be accomplished by the combination of the two. Instead, we can only win by moving the country itself to the left.

I am not sure how we do this, but our task begins now. The reactionaries have finally achieved what they have fought decades to achieve: a government that will completely destroy every last remnant of the New Deal, make us a worldwide colonial power, and be able to institute to most frightening aspects of the "culture war." Despite our best efforts, the reactionaries have achieved total victory. Prepare for hell. While I believe that selling liberalism and clawing our way out of the minority is the only way to reverse this trend, I am not sure how we go about doing that. However, I do know it is time that we at least start talking about it. We are in the minority, and that must end. It is time for us to grow.



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What to do (none / 0)

I think that commercials must be used on television and other media to explain to people what liberalism is today and what it has meant throughout history.  These commercials should be gentle and informative.  They should not be sensationalist.  Most importantly, they need to be aired during an off-year.  That should grab people's attention.

The problem is education.  People have generally liberal positions when polled, but they don't see themselves as liberal.  It must be sold.

by nanoboy on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 05:58:26 PM EST

Moving to the Center is Irrelevant (3.00 / 1)

We do not need to move to the center, since they ceded it to us last night.

Have you ever thought of starting a reading group?  Each month assign a book, like Frank's "What's the Matter with Kansas"? (That one blew my mind wide apart).  Fun, interesting primers and handbooks on what it means to be a progressive/liberal in the 21st century.  Robert Reich's "Reason."  Whatever.  Good books bad books.  But something to keep the ideas flowing and the conversation and narrative and communication as active as its been the last couple of years.

by Christopher on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 05:59:53 PM EST

Re: Moving to the Center is Irrelevant (none / 0)

Your comment about reading raises a good point--we need to reframe the way we talk and the way we think.  George Lakoff's "Don't Think of an Elephant" is a good example of what we need to do to reframe the way we talk.  I recommend this to any one who wants to change the direction our country has moved towards.
by puzzlelvr on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:17:54 PM EST
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Well then . . . (3.00 / 1)

Based on your excellent analysis, the problem IS Kerry & Mc Cauliff, ant the party leadership. Why should the people define themselves as "Liberal" or follow a Liberal when Liberal politicians run from the appellation?

We have shamelessly allowed conservatives to define us. We have even adopted their language.

When Liberals begin to take pride in who and what they are only they will they sell themselves with pride and the people will be prepared to follow.

Conservatism is not the problem, Liberal fear and weakness is.

by Defiant on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:04:09 PM EST

Re: Well then . . . (none / 0)

ok.. time to regroup and move on.. rest assured the repulsives are already mapping plans to attack social security within 6 months

privitization of social security is a clever way to undermine social security. lets review the facts (as i know them) social security was established by liberals to ensure that no american would retire without a minimal income to provide basics.. food and shelter. it was not intended to provide a great dea of comfort or luxury.... if you wanted that .. it was your right to establish a savings account or invest ( and take your chances (again)

as it stands today... social security provides basic income usually enough for food ad shelter.

employees chip in 7.7% and employers chip in 7.7%.

rest assured employers would love to avoid their 7.7% or even a percentage of it.... it would immediatly make them more profitable.

now lets take a look at alternatives ( im sure the think tanks have this all worked out pro and con). there is insurance.. many different kinds of insurance plans that insurance companies would love to sell you. insurance companies are in business to make a profit.. so before you get yours... they get some of yours... do you really have the knowledge and time to read  small print?  there is also las vegas... a smart bettor might be able to win enough to retire, then there is the stock market... this too is a gamble... you have to pick em right... know when  hold em... know when  fold em and hope you dont retire in a downturn... there are investment companies that will be happy to manage your investments... for a price..
then there are the 401Ks where you and your employer chip in and you can decide to some extent what TYPE of stock you want to buy

there is the pension plan of companies that vary in how  contributions are made... and how it is later disbursed.

all of this has a lot of fine print to read... and  elemnt of gambling.

anything you end up with when you retire or die is yours. you are on your own and can make money... or lose itdepending on how good a gambler you are AND your luck about retiring during a prosperous period.

with social security you are covered until you die... if you die prematurely... your payments stay in  piggy bank and help fund someone else (repulsives hate this.. why should they help someone else)

there is a complication here.. thats  piggy bank.. the social security trust fund...   payments coming in are used immediately to pay current retirees... what is not used is set aside for the future (this is what the feds borrow to cover annual deficits)

now social security deposits accumulated (not yet used) by  the treasury are HUGE... it's tempting to want to dip into this huge piggy bank by the govt and BORROW some of it at  times.... and rest assured the federal govt DOES borrow from it... a LOT.

its a huge amount of money... and there are other players that would like a piece of  action... the stock market!

so now comes privitization of social security. a portion (not yet revealed) of each social security payment can (or must?... not yet revealed) be put into a PERSONAL account.. this becomes your responsibility to grow into a wonderfully large amount of money just for you... if you are lucky and if you retire during a period of prosperity. naturally there will be a fee for visits to investment advisors.. and some financial advisors are better than others ( best advisors will not be available to the unwashed masses... and they charge more)

so if this scam comes off.... stock markets everywhere will love you... financial advisors will love you and  government avoids its commitment to your retirement security by some amount...

you can fully expect that while the repulsives are tempting you with great riches of investment... that they will be adding small print .. one such item will be increasing the retirement age...

there you have it... the repulsives will attack social security within 6 months... and rest assured they have best minds in think tanks and madison avenue working on a marketing campaign to answer all your questions and calm your anxieties...

and here we are floundering... rocked by a horrible election... not thinking at all how swiftly they will attack...  

if the repulsives win this battle .. they will be not only  DEFENDERS of american military, good christians everywhere, american VALUES, capitalism, democracy... they will also be DEFENDER of american retirement... and democrats will be demonized .... now we could let this play out... and in 30-40 years... when it has turned abysmally horrible... then provide a way to salvage the damage but thats a lot of pain to endure...

god help us

by bluebudda on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:17:52 PM EST
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Re: Well then . . . (none / 0)

i believe its time to circle the wagons. dont be misled by obligatory talk of unity. there will be a full frontal assault. and we seem to be helping that with selection of a mealy mouth reid as minority leader from a red/purple state.

when the reds circled the wagons... a firebrand named newt spoke loud and often ... never mind that half of america thought he was a nut... he wasnt speaking to the blues.. he was firing up the reds... and he did it methodically... incessantly.. loudly... daily.

there is one place..   where we can strike in a guerilla war... its the option that can make reds sit up and take notice.... and make corporations re-think their partisan self serving arm twisting in washington..... i speak of hitting the reds in their pocketbook... yes. economic warfare.... red companies and blue companies...

i would gladly lay myself at  altar of sacrifice and start eating dunkin donuts instead of krispy kreme if i knew which was red and which was blue.

but where is our firebrand?.... i can assure you that the reds practice economic warfare... where is our list of red companies and blue companies...

the marketplace would shudder at such a thing. we would see eier a full blown red america and blue america... or the red partisan companies would slowly cease their intervention in washington

where are you bluefirebrand?

you can fool all the people some of the time..some of the people all the time.. but you cant fool all the people all the time

by bluebudda on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:27:06 AM EST
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Re-Frame the Debate (none / 0)

They won because they framed the debate on issues where the majority of Americans support their positions: gay rights, guns, abortion restrictions, to name a few.

I am far less thrilled than you Chris with the ground game but I am not placing blame anywhere.  We simply have to build a majority party and that involves a range of tactics and strategies.

For me, I need some time to detox and release my pain and hurt so I can regain some serenity in my life.  Otherwise, I will drive my car into the next B/C bumper sticker or yard sign I see.

Thanks for all your great analysis these past few months that I have been reading.  

Today, as a gay American, I feel like the majority of my country hates me and their values are not my values.  As someone who has worked hard to work within the system, I am feeling incredibly disheartened by the majority of Americans who voted for GWB.

by sandiegosteve on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:04:14 PM EST

Re: Re-Frame the Debate (none / 0)

The strategy of driving cars into those sporting B/C insignia isn't a bad one, provided every one of ours takes out at least two of theirs. Of any theory offered today, this one seems to be the soundest.

Of course, it will be hard for my beat up '86 K/E Volvo to take out a '04 B/C Hummer. And, damnit, when's the last time you ever saw a Republican carpool? Well, I might yet give it a try tonight as I drive into the Loop to see, can you believe it, Orwell's 1984.

J.H. Grimson
by JHGrimson on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:13:09 PM EST
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Re: Re-Frame the Debate (none / 0)

HEAR HEAR!

I am not gay... but my dad is. Yep, did you hear that Jerry Fallwell? Gay people have kids! But anyway, in regards to realizing that I share nothing in common with the "moral majority" in this country, I hear you brother. It's scary.

by ShatteredMind on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:53:20 PM EST
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Re: Re-Frame the Debate (none / 0)

steve - i'm straight but not narrow.
if we're truly supposed to be one nation indivisible, that must include all americans, including some segments of the opulation that conservatives like to pretend don't exist.
last night was shameful, speaking with my gay and lesbian friends today was heartbreaking.  basically, a chunk of the country has given in to the bigotry pimped by today's right wing noise machine. what happened last night just wasn't right.  
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by annatopia on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:09:45 PM EST
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Re: Re-Frame the Debate (none / 0)

I'm straight, maybe even a bit narrow too, but I'm willing to fight for everyone's equal rights.  Don't get down.  There is some good news in exit polling on this issue and there's still a path forward to achieve equal rights for gays and to turn this into a winning issue for the Democratic Party.  Exit polling showed that 26% of respondents favored gay marriage and 36% favored civil unions.  Together, that's over 60% of the population that voted that believe or would settle for civil unions.  I live in Vermont and exit polling data showed that the majority now favors civil unions and want to keep it on the books.  This wasn't the case when our legislature passed a civil unions bill.

Substantively, under Vermont's civil union law, gay couples that enter into a civil union enjoy the same substantive rights under Vermont law that married couples enjoy.  In substance, this is equal treatment under the law.  I understand, however, that there is symbolic value in obtaining the right to marry.  Straight people can marry and unless gays can marry, there is no true equality.  Nevertheless, it's the rights that count.  What's in a name?    

My dad's a right-wing nut job, but not a religious fundamentalist.  He told me that he was having a conversation with his other right-wing- nut-job friends and they all agreed that they support equal rights for gays, but not the right to marry.  

So, although 11 states voted against gay marriage, they didn't vote against civil unions and all of those states could still be converted at some point in the future into states that permit civil unions.  We should be pushing equal rights, states rights and civil unions.  That's a winning combination.  

We need to argue that this issue is for each state to decide.  It's a state's rights issue, which is why Bush's constitutional amendment is wrong and will never pass.  Then we need to work the progressive state legislatures to pass civil union laws (or gay marriage if we can get it).  We have two states in the bag already, which is two more than we had 5 years ago.  After we spread the idea of civil unions, we'll have a better shot at gay marriage.  We're making progress.  Like any other progressive civil rights issues, we'll ultimately prevail.

John McCain will privatize social security.
by gunnar on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:04:00 PM EST
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ohio (none / 0)

actually, ohio's gay marriage ban was broad enough to prevent civil unions.
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by annatopia on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 05:29:14 AM EST
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But .... (none / 0)

Most people who identify themselves as conservative or liberal have absolutely no idea what the terms mean.  If you poll those so-called conservatives on issues many of them are, in fact, liberal. To most Bush supporters their vote was an unsophisticated, knee-jerk reaction inspired by fear and ignorance.  How do we combat that?  Liberals are selling tolerance, pluralism, compassion, multi-lateralism and equality ... and this election demonstrated that most American voters don't want those things.  
by 14days on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:05:47 PM EST

Re: But .... (none / 0)

That's because "liberal" and "conservative" should be thought of as brands. The relevant analogy is with the branding literature in marketing. The NRA understands this. Remember, the "I'm the NRA" commercials in the 1980s?
by Lee Scoresby on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:32:57 PM EST
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Re: But .... (none / 0)

Exactly. This is pure branding. On issue after issue, the public agrees with Democrats and usually that means the "liberal" position. But, since Democrats have done no positive branding of the term, it's still associated with an ossified Congressional majority and the economic chaos of the 70s. I was struck by the NDN's "Preview" ad, both because it was a good ad and because it was the only positive branding message I'd seen in a long time about the Democratic Party.

First, though, we need to figure out the associations we want the term "liberal" to create in people. Fiscal management, equal rights, good jobs? Those don't quite do it. The reason the brand "conservatism" works is that they have clear associations with it, some of them fraudulent (patriotism, individualism, low taxes, moral rectitude, strength on security, etc.). Of all of those, only taxes has any basis in actual policy. It's why the GOP is so addicted to tax cuts. Without them, they cease to have any legislative meaning as a party.

Liberalism: effectiveness, responsiveness, moralism, celebration of our unity, upholders of our nation's highest ideals; also hopefulness, strength and rationalism. I could go on all night, and probably will soon with someone. But, I'll leave it there for now.

What does liberalism mean?

by BriVT on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 08:08:42 PM EST
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Re: But .... (none / 0)

Couple of starting points.  

There are literally millions of people in the armed forces.  Some of them self-identify as liberals.  Maybe they could be featured in some ads:  "I'm Sgt. xxxxx in Iraq, and I'm a liberal."
Well, maybe it'd have to be a corporal, I don't know. ;)

Plenty of liberals in community service.  Put some people in habitat or a soup kitchen in adds.  

Be forewarned though.  The Repubs have a big head start.  Rehabiliting "liberal" will take a while.

by Randi on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 08:24:48 PM EST
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Re: But .... (none / 0)

Popularizing the word "liberal" is difficult and unnecessary.  Why let the other side define us?  "Liberal" positions on economic and foreign policy are more popular than "conservative" positions, but the word "liberal" has no chance against such a solid, common sense sounding word as "conservative."

And the Bushies are anything but conservative.  What are they conserving? Attacking Iraq was a radical step, reckless and unnecessary.  Nothing conservative about eliminating civil liberties either, or running up a record national debt, and they certainly don't want to conserve the environment.  

Why let them get away with assigning the popular label to themselves? The Democrats are actually the conservative party (or at least "moderate,") the Repubs radical.  And though that may be a hard idea to sell, trying to popularize "liberal" will be even more difficult and would play right into the hands of the enemy.    

by cimoli on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 09:42:35 PM EST
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Re: But .... (none / 0)

"but the word "liberal" has no chance against such a solid, common sense sounding word as "conservative." "

Now where did you get this idea?  Liberal hasn't always been a bad word.  It's only been since the end of the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam War that being a liberal has become a social stigma.  Before those times, liberals were the majority and conservatives were the ones off in the wilderness.  It's all in the branding as so many have said before.

by asearchforreason on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 10:05:18 PM EST
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Re: But .... (none / 0)

I personally prefer progressive.  Liberal is a term that seemed to flourish when it described fifties anti-left Democrats, whose main agenda was social policy.  I think it is a useless word, implies a kind of reckless amoral high-handedness, and really needs to be replaced.  

Any suggestions?

by mady on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:15:22 AM EST
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Re: But .... (none / 0)

Yes, I agree.

"Progressive" is inherently positive, as is the word conservative.  Liberal has about as much a chance of coming back as the word feminist.  I see no purpose wasting our time reviving old terms when new ones serve us better, anyway.  We have far more important things to do. . .

by bellarose on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:18:46 PM EST
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Another issue... (none / 0)

Isn't it possible that they don't really outnumber us by much, but they simply turned out in much greater numbers than us?

Bush spent the entire election season (indeed, much of the last four years) supercharging his base.  To add to that, the Republicans made sure that gay marriage ballot initiatives were on the ballot in many swing states.

On the other hand, many liberals seemed to feel Kerry was less than an "ideal" candidate.  So I guess I'd like to see stats about how many liberals actually turned out last night.

by jonweasel on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 08:46:15 PM EST
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Were talking to ourselves not reaching the public (none / 0)

The public is not receiving our message.

The corporate media is not going to be a carrier for our message, ever.

We are spending all of our time talking to ourselves. This will not help us build up our base.

Compromise and timidity and idealism sorry to say not getting us anywhere.

Our political opposition is willing to steal elections and put forward false polling data to build a  persuasive election narrative.

They are willing to lie about substaintive policies and event and challange our voters at the polling place, etc.

We are not ever goiong to win unless we have a means of fighting these tactics, and personally for me I don't think idealism and nice-guyism is going to make the grade.

We have to be willing to call them liars when they lie, even if it means we end up fighting their media shills as well.

We have to devise specific election winning constituency based projects to win elections.

We can't just go around finding the best qualified candidate, play nice during the campain and cross our fingers and hope we get more votes.

We have to use our isssues, those that we care the most about to divide and conquer their voting constituency.

This can only be done with framing and targeting and out of season pre-paritory campaigns.

People are not well informed about the issues, its been shown that Bush supporters do not even have a good idea of where he stands on many importnat issues.

We can't leave the public education campaign for the election season.

We can be afraid of exposing our opposition as what they are, liars, cheaters, elections stealers.

We we are too cowardly to make these points in public then they will win every single time.

by leschwartz on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:06:41 PM EST

Conservative (none / 0)

Conservative actually was a dirty word back in the 1950s, before Goldwater started the modern movement.  Or so the story goes.
by Christopher on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:07:37 PM EST

What strategy? (2.80 / 5)

It's time to start looking for another country to live in.

As a history buff who resides in the world's foremost econo-political power, I am intrigued by the question of America's demise.  History tells us that all empires eventually fall...even the most powerful.  But, was there anyone in Rome who saw the writing on the wall, what were the tell tale signs at the ground level?  These questions propel me to ask parallel questions about this country.....  When will it happen?  What will it look like?  What are the clues that foreshadow it?  Who and how will people try to prevent it?  How big of a fall will it be?

I take last night's election as a confirmation that the American empire has peaked and there is only one way to go.  The election results - with the majority dissapproving of Bush on economic policy, split down the middle on foreign policy, but voting for him on "Moral" issues -  demostrated an irrational fundamentalist backlash fueled by fear.  Perhaps, a fear promoted by idiotic preachers echoing the view that "God punished NY liberals through the 9/11 attacks."  Bin Laden's recent video was prophetic when he analyzed the unprecendented effect 20+ mujaheddin had on the econo-political fabric of the country.  However, even he failed to note the effect it had on the socio-cultural front.  I am sure he is very pleased this morning.  

Bin Laden has become our Atila, our Achile's heel, the thorn in the lion's paw.

But how will it go down?  It is useful to recall how other empires have fallen:

GREECE

*    Success - The Greeks invented Democracy and it fueled an era of unprecedented success.  By sharing the decision making among many people, and deliberating over important matters they created a society of civic minded people who took responsibility for their own destiny and who made better decisions as a group (The Whole > The Sum of Its Parts)
*    Failure - The Direct Democracy that served them so well, also led to their decline.  Direct Democracies can not flourish in large societies, they are best for smaller communities and they prevent growth of the political entity.  As a result, there was no Greece....there was a bunch of related City-States (i.e., Athens, Sparta) that made their own decisions completely independent of each other.  In the end, Greece was defeated by a large Kingdom with centralized power.

ROME

*    Success - The Romans were the first Europeans to unite a large area into one kingdom.  Their strength was their size and they were able to overwhelm the poor Greeks in the previous example.
*    Failure - It is telling that the most famous Roman saying is - All roads lead to Rome.  Rome got too big, they were overextended....so much that a backward tribe was able to march right in and burn Rome.

AZTECS

*    Success - Their cosmology intimately tied mysticism & warfare into an inseperable union.  As a result, their warriors fought with unprecedented motivation, faith & ruthlessness.  Their success in warfare was the foundation of a great civilization.
*    Failure - Warfare & religion were so intimately related that religion took over the socio-political decision making process....as the Aztecs came closer to their prophecized end (The Fifth Sun)...they became increasingly blood thirsty to appease the Gods and they pissed their neighbors off more and more...so that when the Spaniards arrived almost all other tribes were glad to join the Spanish.

As you can see, an empire's virtue also tend to spell their demise.  How can we extrapolate this to the U.S?

U.S.

*    Success - The Representative Democracy provided many of the same benefits the Greeks experienced, but in a footprint that can be deployed to a much larger country.  Further, the country's best policies result from the balance of power (Consititution / Supreme Court, President, Congress).
*    Failure - The balance of powers means that only Congress can ammend the constitution...a document that is increasingly outdated.  Today, Congress (as representatives of the people) spend more time campaigning than they do legislating....they make decisions based on campaign funding, and not pissing of the party, and this doesn't always line up with the well being of the country.....but they are the only people who can change this.  Further they reinforce a system that dumbs down America, in which people vote against their own economic interests blinded by the superficial "Moral" and "Cultural" ideologies that both parties represent.  What motivation does Congress have if the current system brings them a lot more prosperity & prestige than any other?  This will ultimately spell our decline as other countries are increasingly able to do things more intelligently and effectively.

Specifically you will see:

*    The conflict in Iraq will continue to suck up our tax money, global political clout, consumer & investor confidence, hope & dreams.

*    We will not have the money to make strategic educational investments in the areas that fuel the economy of the 21st century.  We will see other countries continue to specialize in specific advanced information-intensive industries and each of those countries will take a slice of the pie away from America.  

*    India will continue to consolidate its position in IT among English speaking countries
*    China will continue to dominate cheap manufacturing and will move in to higher quality, more complex products such as airplanes & jetliners.
*    European & Latin American countries will continue to eat in to Hollywood's dominance of infotainment
*    After Fidel's death, Cuba will emerge as a superpower in the biochemical field supplying cutting edge vaccines & inexpensive drugs to the entire continent.
*    Europe will consolidate its position as a provider of strategic infrastructure to the emerging economies.

*    As the rest of the world continues to lose respect for the U.S., we can expect to see more Global Trade "Revolutions" like the one we see in Cancun at the most recent WTO round.
*    We will continue to be militarily overextended and our ability to deal with bold maneuveurs by N. Korea, Iran & Israel will be compromised.

*    We will be overly dependant on China to control N. Korea, as a result we can expect China to remain on a Fixed Currency Valuation system for many years to come and thus our Current Account Deficit will grow beyond control.

*    Foreign investors will increasingly find the U.S. economy to be less attractive, which will weaken the U.S. dollar, making imports more expensive and setting the country into another recession.

*    The thorough whipping of the Democrats by the Republicans in 2004 will provide a huge momentum for right-wing reforms:

*    George Jr. will destroy Social Security by privatizing it.
*    The Supreme Court will become increasingly conservative and will deal serious blows to individual rights in favor of pro-religious collective rights.  Many of the country's talented, wise & intellectual people will find the country unliveable and will take their goods to another country.
*    The Trickle-Down Economic Hawks through the Bush-Greenspan dynamic duo will continue to foolishly & inneffectively try to combat the coming recessions with tax cuts & monetary policy.......Keynes will be laughing from his grave.  Their foolish economic decisions will create a downward spiral:  

*    Seniors, the Disabled & the working poor will go increasingly into the red, and will bring down America's consumer credit infrastructure when they go into bankruptcy by the masses.
*    The U.S. economy will be increasingly dependant on cheap foreign goods...take them away and the country is in recession....the countries that provide them will have an increasing amount of power over us.
*    Jobs will be scarce & educated American middle class people will be willing to take jobs for increasingly lower pay.

*    The country will try to compensate by allowing greater illegal immigration to keep the cost of goods & services down
*    The illegal immigrants will continue to send money to their native countries thus fortifying their economies, and growing their middle class...eventually the U.S. middle class will be competing against the Latin American middle class for those people (wages for unskilled labor in those countries will rise enough to convince people to migrate back or not come in the first place)  The middle class will continue to be squeezed.

In summary, the U.S. will not be defeated militarily but it will collapse on the socio-economic front.....9/11/01 was the fateful moment that began the chain reaction....but 11/02/04 was America's frustrated chance to turn the tide.

by moderate1976 on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:08:50 PM EST

Liberalism (none / 0)

We need to find new ways of liberalism that don't involve the same old "raise taxes and spend it on social programs" type pattern.  It doesn't win elections anymore.
by alhill on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:10:44 PM EST

Reality-based... (none / 0)

...stamp-of-approval on this post, Chris. Thank you for not saying this election and its long, long-term impact doesn't matter or doesn't exist (that seems to be what many big-traffic lefty bloggers seem to be asserting at the moment...)

I do disagree however that apologists like McAuliffe that helped move the conversation to the right in the first place, are not part of the problem...we compromised ourselves into oblivion. What is retrievable, who knows...but the means through which redemption is availabe to us, has nothing - repeat nothing - to do with how things were done in the past...it's truly a new, new era and paradigm...all I hope is for people to quit operating on their past assumptions asap, so that no more time than necessary is wasted.

It's going to take a revolution as opposed to evolution to get out of here...the Matrix is on lock-down now. Bank on "more-division" taking place, before "less-division" can ever grab hold...the whole thing has it's own momentum now...as you say "prepare for hell"...

Political Physics
by cgilbert01 on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:18:12 PM EST

The Death Of The Democratic Party? (none / 0)

If there were no massive vote tampering, then I'm not only ashamed at America, I'm ashamed of Democrats as well.  
How in the world could Bush get 4 million more votes than Kerry, when in 2000 Bush lost the popular vote by half a million?  
If there were no massive vote tampering, then we did not win the ground game despite what you claim, we lost it big time.  
The first time I was able to vote was in 2000, I voted for Gore, and lost.  I voted for Kerry last night, and lost, big.  The government is now clearly Republican, and it seems America is too.
Is the Democratic party dead?  I've seen some people suggesting a Wesley Clark/Obamma ticket, and I have no idea why.  Clark is a subpar speaker, and looks even more stiff than Gore.  Obamma is a great speaker, but he's not white, that's not going to work with America, be realistic now.  
Some have suggested Hillary Clinton, but do you really think Red America is going to elect a female President?  I am certain that won't happen.  The female turnout would likely be the largest ever, but the male support would be non-existant, again be realistic.  
The only choice seems to be Edwards/Clark.  Edwards is going to be hit hard for his inexperience.  Clark won't motivate anyone.  This looks like the end of the Democratic Party, unless something big happens.  

by Dionyseus on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:19:59 PM EST

Re: The Death Of The Democratic Party? (none / 0)

Marginalized, yes. Destroyed is a bit strong. The GOP was a marginalized party for 35 years until Nixon in '68. They clawed their way back. So can we.

What is a compassionate conservative? Well, you know how a conservative will say: "You're fired"? A compassionate conservative will say: "I'm sorry - but you're fired". Let's get our sense of humor back...in a few days.

by Jacko on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:45:46 PM EST
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Re: The Death Of The Democratic Party? (none / 0)

I'll agree that we lost the ground war yesterday, something many of us had taken for granted that we'd win.  Certainly that's part of today's story.

I disagree with your formulation of Dem tickets for '08.  I can't see Edwards anywhere near the ticket, he won't even be in public office.  As for Hilary, she might get smoked in the popular vote, but win the electoral college.

But I think we're missing the largest field of potential candidates: governors.  Since Carter, only Bush 41 hasn't been elected without first being a governor.

by jhaas on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 08:03:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Death Of The Democratic Party? (none / 0)

Gov. Mike Easley (D-NC)

Re-elected in a landslide when the state and the Senate seat went Red.

15 EV's going from Red->Blue would be a big boost.

by wayward on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:26:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Death Of The Democratic Party? (none / 0)

I can't believe we're already handicapping the Democratic primaries for president in 2008.  Forget about it.  It's a massive distraction with no reward attached to it.  We need to focus on issues that are progressive, will resonate with people and will help us win.  The Republican party has had us on the defensive on issues for a long time now.  We need to launch an offensive to at least try to rest some control away from the Republicans on framing the issues that get debated.  
John McCain will privatize social security.
by gunnar on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:20:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Death Of The Democratic Party? (none / 0)

I second that.  Hearts and minds, one voter at a time.
by mady on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:16:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The answer is in front of us (3.00 / 1)

It's the environment.

The environment is something we all have a stake in. It's something that even conservative christians can rally around. God created the earth -- conservatives are destroying it.

If we relentlessly push the environment, species extinction, global climate change, pollution, and other similar issues, then I believe we can change America.

Think 4 years out. Global warming will be undeniable and be having real impacts on America. Energy independence and sustainability will be a growing issue with security implications.

One of the first things the new Senate will do is open up the ANWR for oil drilling - which is something most Americans (including conservative christians) oppose.

No parent wants their children to grow up without Gorillas and other endangered species. Killing of species makes every American feel bad. But conservative policies encourage this in a way that can be communicated in a simple and direct way.

It's right under our noses. It's the environment.

In this campaign

by Insighter on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:23:15 PM EST

Yesterday (none / 0)

represented, I fear, a fundamental shift in American politics. True, liberals must define who and what they are and make their case much better than in the past. The problem though is fear. Fear and ignorance have driven more people into conservative thought based on its simplicity and into faith. Liberalism isn't simple. IT IS NUANCED and difficult to define. Liberals in general are more willing to break ranks, think for themselves or just punt on the system altogether. The common ground for conservatives is faith. People are joining the Christian "trend" all across this country and conservatives have effectively used wedge issues to unite faith into an almost impenetrable voting bracket. Apathy will generally be higher amongst liberals because of what makes them liberal. They live and learn from reality, conservatives try to discredit reality to fit their view. Until liberals can bridge the faith gap that has formed, and this is way beyond Northeast Catholics, the foreseeable future belongs to the south and midwest politically.
by joeferguson on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:24:12 PM EST

Liberal (none / 0)

Hey, I'm a liberal.  I didn't used to describe myself that way until conservatives made it a dirty word.  Now I use it all the time.  And isn't it nice we actually have souls to search, as opposed to those other guys, not that it's much consolation at the moment.
by bushistheantichrist on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:28:04 PM EST

Thanks for this post.... (none / 0)

...reading it made me feel better. I think you're right -- even though we didn't win, we did a lot of things right this election, and it's important to build on our successes instead of doing the circular-firing-squad thing. As disappointed as we all are now, we still have a lot to be proud of! I'm in Boston, and I've been relying on memories of the ALCS to get me through the last 24 hours: in spite of early losses (plus 86 years of emotional baggage!) the Red Sox came out and PLAYED HARD every game. They didn't grieve over the past or worry about the future, even though they had every reason to do both. They just focused the next game, and then the next, and then the next.

I agree that what we're really fighting here is a philosophical and ideological war, and we've taken a beating for 40 years and have only just recently started to fight back. Don't give up! We need to keep talking to each other, to come up with new ideas and strategies for taking back our country.   I don't have any ideas off the top of my head, either, but I trust the ideas will come if we stay engaged.

by Pragmatic Idealist on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:32:47 PM EST

Everyone is missing the point (none / 0)

It's not "conservatism" it's religious ferver.  We will never ever win in some parts of the country.  Unfortunately, there is no hope.  Even in the inner city religion is beginning to trump all other issues.

When underemployed undereducated vote because of "that's what god wants" instead of what is good for their family, we're doomed.  We are becoming the enemy we are fighting.

The fight is over and we have lost.  This country will now and for the foreseeable future be, effectively, run by the church.  Any candidate that doesn't realize this will lose.

We either become just like them or accept our role as the minority.  I give up.  I am glad I have the skills and financial ability to leave my country and move to Europe to live in a society that shares my values.  This society no longer does.

by marczz1 on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:32:50 PM EST

Re: Everyone is missing the point (none / 0)

Why do they have a monopoly on religion.  I am a Catholic, Jesuit schooled.  All through my schooling I was taught 'conservative' was just a nice way to say 'greedy.'  Personally I don't see how other catholics can even go to church and stomach voting for Bush.  Look they always have the Pro-Lifers touting morality on their side but I feel the problem is most conservatives view Liberals as relativists, a-moral, anti-religion.  It is true we have our 'nuts' lashing out again 'under God we trust' and whatnot but they certainly have their 'nuts' too.  I believe the problem is twofold. 1. we must be able to present 'pro-choice' in a way that says look we just don't think the government should be dictating morality in this case.  We must allow canidates to express their views, it should be ok to be a democrat and say I disagree on the morality of abortion however I see the value it keeping it legal (how many democrats could win primaries with that?)
2. More important we should play our strengths.  We are the party of social justice, Dorathy Day, MLK these were giants of moral authority compared to Jerry Falwell.
The question is how?
by Gonzaga2000 on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:08:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Everyone is missing the point (none / 0)

You are so right!  Both points that you make are quite valid.  I'm Catholic and found the thought of voting for Bush totally abhorrent but believe that life is precious.  Your comments are right on for people who can hold differing views in balance.  Thanks!
by puzzlelvr on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:29:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Everyone is missing the point (none / 0)

I am Catholic as well. Voted for Kerry despite the fact that he made me cringe when talking about abortion.

You can't win on values when people are debating whether or not you should be excommunicated.

Abortion won it for Bush. Think of all the conservative, rural, working-class, Catholic Democrats in Ohio that voted for Bush because of this one issue.

If my calculations are correct, pro-lifers have a majority in the Senate as well

51 Pro-life: 50 Republicans + Ben Nelson (D-NE)
49 Pro-choice: 43 Dems +
Murkowski (R-AK), Collins (R-ME), Snowe (R-ME) Chafee (R-RI), Specter (R-PA), Jeffords (I-VT)

by wayward on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:34:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I believe Reid D-NV is also pro-life - NT (none / 0)


by Andrew Lazarus on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:44:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Everyone is missing the point (none / 0)

Not true. . .

I know the media is spinning this whole religion thing like crazy but it's just not true.  Everyone who votes is not a fundamentalist.  Bush and the RNC have a massive propaganda machine backing them.  All their lies and distortions about Kerry and about Bush himself pulled lots of people who share our values their way. Remember how they put on their moderate face come convention time?  Remember when Bush boasted of his enviromental record during the debates?  Remember when Laura bragged about her husband being the first President to fund stem-cell research?

They can't win with evangelicals alone and they know it.  We need to remember that, too. Please, don't move or give up.  That's just what the evil trolls want you to do.

by bellarose on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:32:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your analysis was so off (1.00 / 1)

Chris,

sorry, dude, but you've lost some credibility. Your analysis was so off of what actually happened.....Limbaugh was more accurate that you....

sometimes, the truth hurts, but we must hear it anyways.

by JohnKerry on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:34:18 PM EST

Re: Your analysis was so off (none / 0)

Chris is far from the only person who thought there were more of us than there were. And honestly, the big problem is that there wasn't even any oxygen in Democratic circles for the truth. Anyone who would've said it would have been crushed. Really, imagine someone on one of these communities saying, "even if we turn out our base, increase the youth vote, win independents, and get 120M in turnout, we still won't even be close to winning." NO ONE would have listened.
by tunesmith on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:11:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your analysis was so off (none / 0)

Two states and two percent. I'm an idiot.
by Chris Bowers on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:38:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your analysis was so off (none / 0)

Go fuck yourself "John Kerry"

At least Chris was nice enough to invest his time, energy and money into this site, which I found to be the most informative during this election cycle.

Thanks Chris for all your hard work.  Things didn't work out the way we wanted, or perhaps even predicted, but at least we tried.

by agpc on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:51:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Amen! (none / 0)

"At least Chris was nice enough to invest his time, energy and money into this site, which I found to be the most informative during this election cycle."

It's all about building infrastructure. The right's been doing it for 30+ years.  We're playing catch-up. But we're smarter than them, we're democratic to our bones, and we're right. Chris's work on this site is not just important in and of itself--which it is in spades--but also as an inspiration to others.

Hats off!

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:58:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

First right answer I've seen. (none / 0)

We need the infrastructure - not electoral, ideological.

Ideological infrastructure: foundations and media to build ideas, memes, and policy; educate activists, candidates, legislators, and voters; influence the public discourse; promote liberal and progressive values.

That's what they have, and it's why they win.  Why is the debate in this country about conservative ideas?  They were shouting for 30 years while were were silent in our over-confidence.

by Silent E on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:37:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I Agree/Disagree (none / 0)

Let me "flip flop" and say that I agree with you that we, as Democrats, must re-examine and re-assess ourselves.  But I disagree that we must go out and make more people liberal.  I'm sure most of you read Kristof's Op-Ed today in the NY Times.  It was right on the money.  Democrats must meet the citizens needs, not convert people.  Readers might not like to hear it, but we've gotten too Elitist.  We are becoming "Cafeteria Menu" policy-makers.  What I mean is that the Party is picking and choosing our stances indiscriminately, without identifying and considering the policy impactees.  Kristof cites a great and telling example.  In Oregon, Democrats cited with Spotted Owls over blue-collar workers.  For the Democratic Party to become a factor, and I think we will because these things run in cycles (i.e. LBJ Guns & Butter), we've got to start discounting the stances of the "Elite" and start paying attention to these lower/middle class "conservatives".
by playwheniwanttoplay on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:45:11 PM EST

Re: I Agree/Disagree (none / 0)

Right. To quote Goldwater: winning beats the hell out of losing. If you don't win, you cannot act. But our problem is that, as Democrats, we have these annoying things called principles. The GOP only exists to trick the poor into voting for them so they can loot the treasury on behalf of their owners, the super-rich.

I wonder if there isn't a southwestern strategy that could work. Take the environmental principles that we all hold and marry them to the folks that work and live on the land in states like AZ, NM, NE, KS, MO, WY, etc. Just avoid the south itself. Become the party of the independent cowboy, the home on the range, Woody Guthrie, all that stuff. There is a populist strain throughout the Western states that Democrats could take on with not too much adjustment. With a less coastal, more rural image, we could take advantage of the sunbelt demographics. I think we saw something of that in this election but it takes a while. We need our own kind of cowboys to saddle up for the next round.

by Jacko on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:56:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I Disagree/Agree (none / 0)

"We are becoming 'Cafeteria Menu' policy-makers."

That's precisely Lakoff's criticism. And he's not talking about making people more liberal. He's talking about ACTIVATING the liberalism that's already latent in them.  Big difference.

For example, if you look at the 30+ years of public opinion research at the General Social Survey, you'll see that self-defined conservatives are broadly supportive of the welfare state.  So it's not a matter of changing their beliefs--it's a matter of activating the beliefs they already have.

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:32:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Agree/Disagree (none / 0)

Um "What I mean is that the Party is picking and choosing our stances indiscriminately, without identifying and considering the policy impactees"?
"The Party" is a pretty nebulous thing, but as for individuals, I can speak for myself and many liberals I know that we have certain beliefs, ideas, and values. What are we if we "choose" to push something other than what we believe?
If we are wrong in our beliefs we should lose. I don't think we are though.
If we are right in our beliefs we should try to persuade a plurality of the country for good and compassionate ideas. If we cannot or do not wish to spend our lives trying to change beliefs we find destructive, we can and should leave this society.
Most of us who are throwing around leaving for Europe or Canada may not be serious yet (perhaps more will mean it for real within the next four years). Many, many times and places in history, indeed, the first European immigrants to America, people have left their homeland to find a place to live with people who share their values.

Peace,
Ryvr

by Ryvr on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 09:45:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please define the terms. (none / 0)

True, when people have to choose a label, more may choose "conservative" than "liberal"--but it doesn't seem like those words themselves are what shape peoples' positions.  A conservative hold a collection of beliefs and positions, and a liberal holds a different collection.  What are those collections?  When you try to change someone from "conservative" to "liberal" (or from moderate to liberal), you're not just changing the name they call themselves, but presumably a whole interconnected set of beliefs, right?  Which are the core beliefs?  And once you think of it as a huge set of positions, it seems a bit harder to budge the whole thing.  I'm not against it--it's really the only way--but it seems like we need a clearer idea of what it means in detail to be a "conservative" or "liberal."  Any ideas?
by brackdurf on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:50:30 PM EST

Re: Please define the terms. (none / 0)

"Any Ideas?"

Read Lakoff. Don't Think of an Elephant first, then Moral Politics.

Please understand, Lakoff is not offering his ideas. He is presenting his analysis of the ideas that are already there. He asked himself, what makes this one set of positions--against taxes and abortion, for the death penalty, etc--hang together over here? And this other set of positions--environmental protection, affirmative action, arms controk, etc.--hang together over there?   Understanding this is the key to doing anything effective.

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:02:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Please define the terms. (none / 0)

Yes, I found this book to be quite informative; I plan to read Moral Politics next.
by puzzlelvr on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:30:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

change is hard (none / 0)

Losing the election is not anyone's fault.
When the nation is ready to change, it will buy the package we wrap up to sell them.  
They aren't tired of the economy yet, or the body bags.  Nursing resentments and bigotry still feels better than the thought of risking change.
by hawkseye on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:50:32 PM EST

We Should Have Listened To Lakoff (none / 0)

There was a brief period in early Summer, when Kerry was growing his (unacknowledged-by-the-SCLM) lead, when he was talking somewhat consistently about values.  He wasn't quite there with Lakoff, since he insisted on claiming that he shared people's conservative values, but it was an acceptable half-way house, if only he had stuck with it.

Especially effective was the line that values aren't defined by the words you use in a speech, they're defined by how you live your life.  And I can't for the life of me figure out why the Kerry campaign abandoned this line of campaigning---just like I can't for the life of me figure out why they failed to blow the Swift Boat Vets out of the water and go after Bush like a pair of MPs after a deserter.

So, this is to say that, yes, I agree 100% that we need to rehabilitate the liberal label, and Lakoff has an excellent handle on how to do that. But it's also to say that the Kerry campaign sucked at getting this through their heads, even in a minimal way.  So getting "our own guys" to get it is going to be a major part of this struggle.

I also agree that it would be good to make "conservative" a dirty word again.  But I don't think we can do that immediately and directly. Too many people have their identities wrapped up in saying they are conservatives--even if they don't really know what that means. Just as PIPA's recent reports showed that Bush supporters had no idea of his positions on a number of prominent issues.  

I think we first have to soften up that target--as Kerry did when he questioned how conservative Bush was. This is effective because Bush isn't really a conservative in any sense of the word--he's a reactionary, as are MOST of the conservative leadership.  I think we first have to get the conservative base to begin seeing their leaders as something different than them.  I don't imagine for a minute that we can get them all, but we can get a good chunk of them, IMHO.

However, accentuating the positive comes first and foremost. Re-defining liberalism ala Lakoff is job one.

p.s. Barbara Boxer, one of the most liberal senators we've got, just cruised to any easy victory her in California. She's always been seen as vulnerable, because she's supposedly "too liberal" for California, but this time out she just cruised--there is no other word for it--to victory.

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:51:46 PM EST

Re: We Should Have Listened To Lakoff (none / 0)

Paul -- the same process happened in Minnesota Tuesday.  Kerry did about 52%, but in the same election we won 13, (maybe 14) seats in the State House, bringing the DFL up to a tie (67-67) or just down one (66-68).  We lost our shirt in 2002 because of the uproar over Paul Wellstone's memorial service (largely a Republican Ploy), but the seats we won this time were largely in Suburban Districts that trended to Bush.  

We won on the argument that Republicans had let ideology get in the way of decent government -- so the focus was school funding, Higher Ed tuition costs, Ideological rejection of publicly owned mass transit systems on the part of Republicans, cuts in Health Care, Unsound Fiscal practices, -- just the plain basics of State Government.  Most of our new representatives are moderate women, and many of them recruited their Campaign Managers from the Dean Campaign when it folded last spring.  Assuming these representatives seem to "get things done" next session, I think we will be well positioned for the 2006 election when Constitutional Offices and the State Senate along with the House stand for re-election.  I know state legislative races seem small change in the shadow of the Presidency -- but if Liberals are identified with "Government that Works and Serves Needs" -- we will be on our way.  

by Sara on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 05:32:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

ITS NOT PHILOLOPHY ITS TACTICS (2.00 / 1)

Forget the liberalism / conservatism BS.

They are willing to do whatever it takes to win, we are not.

Their dishonest tactics and lies beat our pristine philosophy every time.

We are not fighting a bunch of priests, we are up against a crime organization that is in league with the corporate media which owns the the four elements of government.

Think of them like the mafia, who conducts sham elections to placate the public who are easily mislead.

 

by leschwartz on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:55:09 PM EST

Re: ITS NOT PHILOLOPHY ITS TACTICS (none / 0)

Yup. this is what happened. The first step to winning is being able to see clearly who the enemy is. If the enemy is throwing rhetorical bombs, all the pretty language in the world is helpless.

Liars, smear artists, con men and thugs need to be neutralized before any process of rehabiliting liberalism or whatever even makes sense.

by Roy on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:08:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's Not Either/Or, My Friend, Pt II (none / 0)

I would have preferred to nuetralize the Liars, smear artists, con men and thugs first. But we just lost our opportunity to do that until 2006.  So now its time to rehabilite liberalism.
by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:26:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's Not Either/Or, My Friend, Pt II (none / 0)

You said it's not either/or then you said we lost our chance to neutralize until 2006. I don't believe that and I won't adopt that "strategy".

There is an anti-war anti-agression and civil-liberties defense needed starting now. It puzzles me that so many folks around here act as if they can triumph by following the most heart-warming and engaging strategy. This is wrong. The strategy needs to be one that is effective not one that sounds nice and cudly. Think BushCo and his fundmentalists cohorts are going to take a year off while we rehabilitate liberalism. NO, they are just going to get more entrenched.

Further, the only way to know if we're being effective is through repeated engagement. What I see on this diary seems to be a retreat to an intellectual distance that has more to do with wishfull thinking than effectiveness.

by Roy on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:42:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's Not Either/Or, My Friend, Pt II (none / 0)

I'm not talking about retreating to anything.  You are shadow-boxing with your own preconceptions. You can't do any form of effective organizing if you can't even listen to what others in the same room are saying to you.

"You said it's not either/or then you said we lost our chance to neutralize until 2006."

Right.  We can't neutralize them until them.  It doesn't mean we roll over and do nothing in between. But fighting them on this or that front will not nuetralize them. That's why rehabilitating liberalism moves to the front burner now. It will move to the back burner as the 2006 elections heat up.

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:52:59 PM EST
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Re: It's Not Either/Or, My Friend, Pt II (none / 0)

I listened and I disagree. To say I am shadow boxing is to insult me. I don't know if you meant to do that but certainly we're all wound up today...

by Roy on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 08:09:14 PM EST
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It's Not Either/Or, My Friend (none / 0)

Hitler was willing to do whatever it took, too. But the uber-liberal FDR still beat his pants off.

I agree that the GOP now is basically a criminal organization. So part of our job is to make that frame stick.

by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:24:15 PM EST
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Re-framing... (none / 0)

People are saying that if we just communicate our message well, just re-frame it better, then we will win. I think that misses the point - the whole problem is that that alone still might not be enough. What if that's not enough? It's not about convincing more of THEM of the way we believe. We either need more of US (start having babies, colonize a european country), or we need to actually change our beliefs. I think it'll be the latter. We let go of gun control compared to four years ago. What do we let go of now? I frankly think we just need to recruit liberal christians to get more active in running for office.
by tunesmith on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:00:02 PM EST

so basically... (none / 0)

....if i want to get downright cynical about this, we liberals need to start breeding a whole lot faster.  think about it.  it's not a stereotype to say that the red state conservatives multiply a lot faster than we do and this is in large part to their tendency to overbreed.  hell, blue state conservatives breed a lot quicker than us, too.  why?  tendency to be less educated, have less access to sex education, less access to healthcare, less access to education.  and to think that the red states suck off the government teat much more than the blue states.

so while we're all waiting for our newly bred children to turn 18 and get to vote, how about we cut off the red states?  if the gop wants to starve the federal government, fine, starve them.  cut off farm subsidies, federal school aid, road money - see what happens in the red states then. will it wake them up?  who knows, but we've got 18 years to kill.

/sorta_sarcastic_but_not_really

Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:00:13 PM EST

Not So Fast (none / 0)

We do not have the following: 1) Vision, 2) Strateguc Plan, 3)Strategy, 4)Business Plan, 5) Measures, 6) etc. Before we start selecting people we need to develop these thus allowing us to match people strengths with objectives.  
by Sabe Penn on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:08:29 PM EST

A Ray of Hope (none / 0)

Colorado voted for Clinton in 1992, and has been a "Red State" before and since.

Yet in 2004, we Coloradoans sent two Salazars to Washington, replacing Republicans that stepped down. And for the first time in over 30 years, both of our state legislative houses came into the control of the Democrats.

The State House and State Senate was won because "It's the Economy, Stupid" and it appears a lot of folks were tired of waiting for a Republican legislature with a Republican governor to figure out how to fix things.  With the specter of drastically underfunded universities on the horizon, they decided that it was time for a change.

The change is small, perhaps, but from small acorns mighty oaks grow.

by adjamemnon on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:14:14 PM EST

Make Conservative a Dirty Word (none / 0)

I think we all should reflect on how the word liberal, everywhere south of the mason-dixon and west of the mississippi, is a dirty word.  Really, it is!  Conservative isn't though, it basically is a synonym for "adult".  Adults vs potty-mouths.  That's pretty much how a lot of the electorate thinks.  We can turn conservative into a dirty word though.  In fact, the word "liberal" isn't even our word, it's their word for us.  Conservative is their word for them.  Shall we stop that then and call them "corporatists"?  As in, "they aren't conservatives, like john mccain, they're a bunch of corporatists!"  and you could say it with a southern twang: "corp-ra-tists"  Kinda like: "liburul".  Then we could say: "we're the party of the fiscal restraint and keeping the government for the people."  "They are the party of corporatism, fiscal mismanagement, and keeping the government for private, corporate interests."  Damn corporatists!
by flavorflav12 on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:19:31 PM EST

Re: Make Conservative a Dirty Word (none / 0)

Some things are there before our noses.  Think people like "outsourcing?"  We need to link "conservative" with words like "outsource" Think an ad along the lines of "...just another Texas conservative who wants to outsource your job" might resonate in Ohio?  Of course, it is demagogic but hey, that's the devil's bargin we make with political ads, isn't it?
by Randi on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 08:04:06 PM EST
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What we need... (none / 0)

We need better talking points, a better candidate(one that can appeal to the south) and we need to be as agressive as the righties in attacking weakness.

The Righties are much better than the democrats at getting their message or talking points out. You can see and hear the discipline of their message of the day/week on CNN/MSNBC and especially FOXNews..."The Swift Boat Vets are angry and they should be heard" (Who cares if they are liars)...The Republicans have been dictating the national conversation for years with their misleading and divisive talking points: Protecting the Sanctity of Marriage (Constitutional Discrimination), The Culture of Life (Anti-abortion...yet it is ok to lie about a war and kill over 100,000 people??,), Honor the Troops (Unless they are opponents in an election..McCain/Kerry)

Why can't the Democrats frame issues so that the Republicans have to respond and get off their talking points. There are plenty of mistakes in Bush's last 4 years...

         The Iraq War, (Bush lied)
         record deficits
         Job Loss
         Halliburton
         The Environment

We need a new face to lead the Democratic Party...Hillary will not be able to capture any red states. Barack Obama...perhaps Henry Ford. Is there a southern democrat governor?  

I think that Kerry lost by letting Bush's attack adds define who he is. By fighting fire with fire we could have reduce the damage.

Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.
      - Oscar Wilde

We must regroup and redefine who we are as democrats and who our next leaders will be.

by hectorblue on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:19:48 PM EST

Re: What we need... (none / 0)


Amen, Brother Hectorblue!
by bellarose on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:51:20 PM EST
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Not a good day to make life-changing decisions... (none / 0)

...but it is a good day to start thinking about what to do next, and how to do it.  Thanks, Chris, for your thoughtful analysis.  I think I disagree with some of your premises -- and maybe even your conclusion, in a way (say, this is a backhanded compliment, isn't it?)-- but what you're doing right now is what we have to do.
  We have to think about why and how we lost, analytically, with our analysis not framed by our idealogy or our emotional reaction to this absolute disaster for our country. (Not that I'm feeling very cool and collected at the moment.  I'm so pissed at people who can't see beyond their over-stuffed pockets AND beyond today that I can't be civil to friends.  I trust this will pass.)
  So.
  We lost in the Big Empty.  Look at the very well-done state maps on CNN.com, showing results by county.  You can pick out the cities in blue in all the key states and most (at least) of the others.  You can even see the suburbs, where the counties turn red.
  We lost in the South, where in MY memory elections were decided exclusively in the Democratic primaries.  Not that that was a good thing, but there was no Republican Party in the South until after 1964 -- beginning in 1964.  "Conservative" was an unelectable word after Barry Goldwater's implosion, but the South started sending Republicans to Washington and to the state houses, because the Democratic Party had begun to overtly demand integration and the Republican Party was willing to provide code-word-cover for rednecks.  I'm not suggesting that the Democratic Party should condone heinous immorality in return for votes - although it did work for the Republicans - but we should look at how they re-defined themselves and survived for 16 years after Goldwater, until Ronald Reagan came along and SOLD it as a good thing.  If "conservative" could return to even bare acceptability after Mr. Conservative suffered a 65%/35% defeat, then "liberal" could be rehabilitated, as well.
  We lost to people who thought that in 2004 the most important issue in this election was "morals", per CNN(?).  I'm not certain what "morals" means, but a friend suggested it meant "values."  That didn't help me much, but he seemed to think it was pretty obvious and he voted for Bush on that basis.  I don't get it, even remotely, but I know that we have to figure iit out and be able to talk about it and sell it if we're ever to put a Democrat into the White House.  And yes, I understand that for some it's code for gay-bashing or Christianity or Catholicism or anti-Catholicism, but I truly believe there is more to many voters' knee-jerk reaction to the terms "moral" and "value" than merely code.
  We lost to people who want easy answers and clear choices between good guys and bad guys, to people who want a list of what to do to be good, a list that's not too hard and plays to their strengths, but a LIST, Dammit!  Do these three or ten things and be virtuous.  Violate the rules and be anathema.  That one who doesn't look like us is bad so nothing he does can be anything but evil or because of anything other than the prompting of the Devil; that one is good so his good ends justify the unfortunate means.  I don't know how you get that sort of person to look up and see how far away the horizon really is, but there are enough of them to swing any election so we have to figure it out.
  We have to reach the communities that vote their fears first, because the Republicans have been too successful in telling them that WE are one of the things they should fear.  We must define ourselves to those voters, rather than trying to win while carrying the enormous burden of the Republican definition of us.
  How?  Beats me.  Maybe tomorrow.
Best to you all, and keep the faith!

 

by HLDinTN on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 07:30:10 PM EST

What you need (1.00 / 2)

Why not consider that the your views are not realistic and try and move a little toward reality.  Kerry lost because the majority of Americans didn't buy into all the hate and venom cast at it for the last 2 years by moveon.org Michael Moore, MTV and the Hollywood crowd.  They don't represent middle America. Acceptance is the answer to all your problems.  Why not change the one thing you do have control over?  Your perception and outlook on things. Instead of trying to outsmart or trick the "dirty conservative".  The majority of America spoke loud and clear yesterday, you need only to listen to what they said.
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