Zogby, Rasmussen, trend toward Kerry

Incidentally, this is the 1,000th front-page entry on MyDD since its relaunch on March 31st. During that time, we have received around 1.5M million visitors, two-thirds of all total traffic to the website. We have become one of the fifteen most trafficked political blogs, and there have been 860 diaries. My deepest thanks goes out to Jerome for giving me this opportunity, and to the members of our community for helping us grow and become something special.--Chris

Kerry's now back to a tie in Zogby's latest national tracking poll, at 45-45, with Zogby saying, If I were to factor in the leaners in the 3-day track, it would be Kerry 47.2% to Bush 46.6%. Kerry has the lead because of Independents:

	  Repup     Dem      Ind
Kerry	  5	    82	     44
Bush	  93	    11	     37
Kerry, Zogby says, has taken the lead among 18-29 year olds (especially 18-24 year olds), and opened a gender gap; Kerry's expanded his lead also among seniors (65+), single women, and union members.

I have doubted those leads were not there in the first place, but regardless, this is closing to Kerry's advantage. Those 14% undecided Independents are either not going to vote, or break by a majority to Kerry.

Bush & Rove's move; cause right now, this elections is tilting to Kerry.

Even More (Chris): Kerry has also moved into a lead in the Rasmussen tracking poll, for the first time in seemingly forever:

         National   w/Leaners   Battleground
Kerry    47.3         49.5              48.6
Bush     47.5         47.7              46.1
Again, Bush is under 48, and barely hanging on. Rasmussen weights by Party ID, but is slightly more favorable to Republicans than Zogby.

According to Newsweek and Gallup from the weekend, Kerry leads among independents, 51-40 and 47-42 respectively. Kerry is also gaining because he is shoring up his base, with Democratic support for Kerry now close to Republican support for Bush in nearly every poll. When both polls are re-weighted according to the Party ID model that either Rasmussen or Zogby are using, Kerry holds a small lead.

What does this tell us? In all of these polls, Kerry currently holds a lead in a scenario where 2004 turnout by Party self-identification is roughly the same as 2000 turnout Party self-identification. In other words, we only lose if we get beat on turnout.

As Kerry has taken a small lead, voting has begun almost everywhere. In an article about early voting starting in Florida, the AP notes other states where early voting has begun:

Early voting also gets under way Monday in Texas, Colorado and Arkansas. Other key states this year have already begun in-person voting, including Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada, Ohio, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Arizona, North Carolina, Oregon, Tennessee, Washington and West Virginia have also started voting. We are edging ahead at just the right time, with the undecided break against the incumbent and our waves of new voters still in reserve.

We only lose if we get beat on turnout, so it is imperative that you help make certain we do not get beat on turnout.

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FInally, (none / 0)

The Friday and Saturday polls kind of freaked me a little after Kerry kicked Bush's ass at the debates.  Glad to see the CHeney Story dead, Sinclair losing headlines and the Draft story gaining some momentum.

CHris, will the early votes be counted ahead of time?  Will we know how ahead or behind we will be before election day...I could swear Bush's handlers saying they knew the Florida totals before the day started.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 12:14:47 PM EST

Counting Votes Beforehand (none / 0)

No, the early votes will be the first ones counted after the polls close, however.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 12:18:47 PM EST
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Dem v GOP (none / 0)

I am still surprised to see that 11% of Dems are voting Bush.  I have to assume a majority of those are the old Southern Dems like Benedict Zell, who are pretty much Republicans, just like I will bet that the 5% GOP for Kerry are mostly GOP Moderates or 96 CLinton supporters who were burned out during 2000 but who have rejoined the fold.
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 12:17:34 PM EST

Re: Dem v GOP (none / 0)

This is not surprising and actually pretty good. You're right that most are Southern DINO's (Democrats in Name Only). There's a surprising number of those folks.

We talk a lot about how Dems outnumber Repubs, which is true. But a lot more Dems vote Repub than vice-versa. What keeps Dems competitive is the Independent vote, which usually leans our way (in part because a lot of them are ex-Dems who are disenchanted with the party).

Best news in Zogby numbers is that almost all of the Rethugs are present and accounted for and STILL Bush isn't ahead. Almost all the undecideds are Dems or Independents. Unless they all decide to give it a pass, we're looking pretty damn good. So get out there (on the street, NOT on the internet) and make sure they do their duty.

I voted today!!!

by AS on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 01:14:18 PM EST
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Re: Dem v GOP (none / 0)

Speaking as a former independent who was an ex-Dem (That's kind of confusing - I used to be a Democrat, then left the party, and am now back to being a Dem again), the comments about independents sounds right to me.  I know what anectdotal evidence is worth, but I believe AS to be correct on this one nonetheless.
by PonyFan on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 05:29:46 PM EST
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turnout (none / 0)

We've already seen a number of GOP attempts to suppress the vote (see Atrios for the latest outrage in Philly), which leads me to believe that Rove has calculated that Bush is toast if we have free and fair elections.

And by the way, Sinclair Broadcasting stock is down .30 this morning on higher than average volume.  Breaks my heart...

by global yokel on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 12:35:25 PM EST

Re: turnout (none / 0)

The only thing that would make this election even better would be Sinclair going out of business or forced to see on top of a Kerry and a COngressional Win...
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 02:59:08 PM EST
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Down by .55 (7.81%) now... (none / 0)

New 1 year low (in fact, it's approaching an all-time low).

by Geotpf on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 05:06:09 PM EST
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What's up with CNN/USAToday/Gallup (none / 0)

Gallup's more recent poll says Bush is up 52 to 46?  What is going on?  Someone explain this to me.  Does Gallup wieght by Party ID?  Also, does the Zogby poll site list what the daily trend is (i.e., are the numbers from 3 days ago, better for Kerry than the ones from yesterday, etc.)?
by filadog on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 12:44:08 PM EST

Re: What's up with CNN/USAToday/Gallup (none / 0)

Long threads all over the place about Gallup. Try www.emergingdemocraticmajority.com for starters. They have a strange and rather idiosyncratic system they use to guess who's going to vote. It predicts exactly the same turnout as the last election, and does not allow for any changes at all.

It is so out of step with the other polls that most folks take it with a grain of salt.

by AS on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 01:16:03 PM EST
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Re: What's up with CNN/USAToday/Gallup (none / 0)

2 things up with Gallup

  1.  Weird sample (again) tilted Republican.

  2.  Their likely voter model is just screwy.

by Teaser on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 01:17:10 PM EST
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Re: What's up with CNN/USAToday/Gallup (none / 0)

I noticed they had a coupld with accurate Party IDs when they were getting all the press about their corrupt system.  I guess they are up to their old tricks now that they aren't being hounded.  What idiots?  I hope CNN is smart enough to dump them...I already noticed more people quoting Zogby or Rasmussen (granted the tracking polls play a lot into this) than gallop over the last month.
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 03:01:25 PM EST
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Re: What's up with CNN/USAToday/Gallup (none / 0)

Steve Soto at Theleftcoaster.com is the guru when it comes to Gallup's polls. He got the internals and apparently there was a skewed Gop sample.
by jp2 on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 09:27:50 PM EST
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confidence in party ID (none / 0)

Here in Georgia, it sure feels like Democrats have continued to switch over to the Republican party since 2000.  (Can you say Zig-Zag Zell?)  I think some of that is reflect in Kerry's lower level of support among voters of his own party as compared to Bush.

I wonder: Has that trend occured in other states?  If so, doesn't that mean that 2000 Democratic turnout rates might be difficult to attain?  Has anyone run some numbers to account for changes in party registration since 2000?  

Where's a political scientist when you need one?

by bryaninatlanta on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 12:52:45 PM EST

Re: confidence in party ID (none / 0)

There's no evidence that this is happening outside the South, and some pretty good evidence that it isn't.  Three studies of party ID were conducted this year and all three indicated that Democrats were regaining the lead in party ID after being basically even in 2002.  Also, new registrations are running more heavily Democratic than Republican in every state that I've seen numbers for, sometimes dramatically so.  So I think that the numbers of party switchers leaving the Democrats are relatively few.

I also believe that there are relatively few party switchers leaving the Republicans.

by PonyFan on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 05:33:20 PM EST
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What to make of USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll? (none / 0)

I walked out of a meeting this morning and ran across a USA Today newspaper box, and saw the stunning headline that Bush surged ahead by 8 points miraculously over the weekend. What does everyone make of this poll? It doesn't seem to track with any other polls since the debates began. Certainly in the face of three very solid if not crushing performances by Kerry, I seriously doubt that the Mary Cheney story swayed that many voters to change their mind in the span of 3 days. I would assume that there is still a fairly solid statistical dead heat, with Kerry running slightly ahead (not statistically significant, but enough to give me hope). Interestingly, the story says that 1013 national adults were polled 10/13-16, and that the sampling methodology is at bottom of the page, but when you go to the bottom of the page, there is no section on methodology. Is Gannett pulling a fast one here? My bet is that this poll oversampled Republicans by a vast majority, but because the methodology is missing I can't confirm my suspicion. It's too bad that Gannett has to print such drivel, but I know that big swings in polls sell more papers.
by Innov8 on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 12:55:43 PM EST

Re: What to make of USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll? (none / 0)

The best discussion of Gallup, imho, is at

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/

You'll need to scroll down a little to read it.  Basically, it shows that Gallup almost always oversamples Republicans.  Democrats make up around 38 or 39% of the electorate, Republicans 34 or 35%.  Here are the GOP vs Dem numbers for Gallup's most recent poll:

RV
GOP 37%
Dem 35%

LV
GOP 38%
Dem 35%

If those numbers were reversed, they'd be pretty close to correct.

by PonyFan on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 05:36:17 PM EST
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MyDD and Gallup (none / 0)

First I just want to say that you guys have a really great web site. I read it constantly and always find what you have to be valuable.
On the CNN Gallup poll it has been shown again and again to be unreliable and I think it is coming to be widely discredited. They play up their most sensationalistic figures so that they can grap the headlines. In this last Gallup poll, for example, Bush had a 3 point lead among registered voters and at the time that was in line with other polls. But using their totally unrealistic Likely Voter screen this gets translated into a Bush lead of 8 and then that is all that is reported on CNN and all the other crap media outlets. Zogby and Rasmussen are much better, and that has been my opinion even when they showed Bush ahead.
by herodotus on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 01:06:43 PM EST

Choose your own reality (none / 0)

We're all going to die

or

I can see clearly now

by patch in bklyn on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 01:08:34 PM EST

Re: Choose your own reality (none / 0)

OOH OOH...Can you do one where we can save the princess or help the dragon???
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 03:11:26 PM EST
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On Turnout (none / 0)

I'm running a statewide campaign in NC.  I get 15 emails a day asking where my guy stands on gay marriage.  That's it, just "I read your website, where do you stand on gay marriage?"

I am scared about the effect this issue is going to have down east.  They have heated this issue up so much in the evangelical churches that I am afraid of its effect on turnout.  People actually think they are going out to save society.

Scary.

by DrFrankLives on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 01:48:01 PM EST

Re: On Turnout (none / 0)

It's a sad thing that gay marriage is the issue that's motivating people. There are so many more important things. Our guy stands where I think the majority of Americans stand, leave it up to the States. Yes, he is against the Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage. But that doesn't mean he's going to vote for gay marriage at all. A lot of Republicans voted against the Amendment. It's a matter of principle, you don't change our forefounders document on a whim. It's not very 'conservative'.
by turnpikekid on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 03:53:55 PM EST
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Re: On Turnout (none / 0)

Actually Kerry has said that he opposes gay marriage but that he believes the decision should be left up to the states.
by PonyFan on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 05:38:12 PM EST
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Electoral College survey (slightly OT) (none / 0)

For those interested, I've posted my latest (10/18) survey of 62 Electoral College tracking / prediction / projection / forecast sites HERE.

Executive summary:  The gap between Bush and Kerry continued to close, but with less speed than last week, with Bush's 50 vote lead of 2 weeks ago now down to about 10 votes.  Kerry stayed where he was, at 247 to 249 votes, but Bush lost 5 or 6 votes, landing at 256 to 260 votes.   About equal numbers of sites (36 and 37) showed Bush and Kerry leading or ahead, but more sites showed Bush with over 270 votes (24) than did Kerry (17).  Neither candidate averaged enough votes to be the clear winner at this point.

unfutz
by Ed Fitzgerald on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 05:57:48 PM EST

Ohio . . . (none / 0)

Does not have early voting and in-person voting has not started in Ohio, despite what the AP says.
by Hypothetically Speaking on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 08:48:02 PM EST

Re: Ohio . . . (none / 0)

I can attest to this.  I asked about voting early and was told I couldn't do it unless I was working as an elections official.  So, I have to take care of my own business on Election Day before I do whatever I am assigned to do.
by KTinOhio on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 11:30:49 PM EST
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