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WestVirginians don't like people whoFALSELY accuse (1.50 / 2)

good and fine Democrats of racism.

He needed two things to happen to win:

1. Disenfranchise voters from two of the biggest states in America

2. Convince African Americans that the people who have stood by them all those years were really racists.

Goal accomplished.

I can not and will not support Obama for his race-bating strategy. He personally attacked Hillary, not her record but her personally: "she will say or do anything to get elected". He also famously went after Bill Clinton (a man who's foundation has provided FREE AIDS medicine to MILLIONS of blacks in Africa and who set up his office in Harlem) and said his comments were racist. NOTHING CAN BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!!!

I will not support race-bating, I will not support Obama.


by mmorang on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:59:42 PM EST

No primary franchise, therefore (2.00 / 1)

there cannot be any "disenfranchisement" in a primary.  And even if there were, it would be the state legislatures and/or the DNC's fault, not Obama's.

I don't know who is standing by whom, but Obama did not call anyone a racist during this campaign.  It was Hillary who recently talked up her support among white voters.

Can you provide a link to the "she will say or do anything to get elected" comment of his?  I'm surprised it didn't get more press.  Of course, it would mess up your impressive record of being 100% wrong in your assertions.


by corph on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:06:17 PM EST
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Re: No primary franchise, therefore (none / 0)

Precisely.  There's never been a real history of enfranchisement in the American primary system.  I hate all this talk about the disenfranchisement of FL, etc., because it's not like they've ever had a say in any previous Presidential race, at least not one in my lifetime.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:07:09 PM EST
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Do West Virginians... (none / 0)

Do West Virginians like people who CORRECTLY accuse other Democrats of racism?

He needed two things to happen to win:
1. Disenfranchise voters from two of the biggest states in America

The numbers prove you wrong. Count them as you will or not, he's still ahead.

2. Convince African Americans that the people who have stood by them all those years were really racists.

Those AAs are so easily convinced, how in the world did he manage that?
As a sidenote, in what way have the Clintons stood by African Americans? By dismissing the results every single state they hold significant numbers in?

Yes, I'm sure AAs like it when they're told their votes don't count.

Her recent bringing up of how such-and-such of his voters are black, while she has support among the white and hard-working instead is a blatant example of race-baiting that you will never ever allow yourself to see.

Farrakhan and Wright were also examples where she atempted race-baiting.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:10:51 PM EST
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Considering they agree on 99% of the issues (1.00 / 1)

how did Obama get his support up to 93% among blacks?

Simply, he played the race card against good people and I won't forget it.

A large majority of whites, hispanics, asians voted against Obama. He won by getting a large percentage of the black vote. It wasn't high enough so he played the race card on the Clinton's, they didn't play it on themselves.

I will not vote for McCain or Obama. I'll sit on my hands in November and for the first time not vote for the Democrat because I can't support inciting racial hatred.


by mmorang on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:54:49 PM EST
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Re: Considering they agree on 99% of the issues (none / 0)

"how did Obama get his support up to 93% among blacks?"

Unless you believe that 93% of black people are merely idiots whom Obama can convince of anything, the proper question is "how did Clinton get her support down to 7% among blacks?"

Simply, she played the race card (remember her constant talk about Farrakhan and Wright?) to get white votes, and the black people decided not to forgive her about it; especially since she and Bill kept dismissing black people's votes as insignificant.

What, did you think the Clintons' constant dissing of black people's votes wouldn't have a further negative affect on Hillary in the next contests?

All the way to South Carolina she was getting like 30% of the AA vote I think -- and why shouldn't she? Even going by demographics alone, half the black people are women you know, with as much demographic reason to support Clinton as they had for Obama.

But then the Clinton policy of dissing the states and demographics that didn't vote for Hillary began in earnest, and using the race cards of Wright and Farrakhan -- and she got punished for it, by losing all black women as well.

"A large majority of whites, hispanics, asians voted against Obama."

In some places. In other places he's won majorities of white people in several lily-white states, and he's gonna win the majority of white people again in Oregon and South Dakota.

Besides blacks, a large majority of young voters, well-educated voters, and liberal voters voted in favour of Obama -- strangely enough they are the demographics least likely to be racist, no?

Besides women, Hillary has the older voters, the conservative voters, and the less-well-educated voters -- strangely enough the demographics most likely to be affected by race in their choice.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:14:16 PM EST
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Re: Considering they agree on 99% of the issues (none / 0)

Name ONE thing that Bill or Hillary Clinton has said that is racist. Just one thing. Please, let me know what they said.

If you can't than admit that Obama made it up.


by mmorang on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:18:30 PM EST
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Re: Considering they agree on 99% of the issues (none / 0)

"Name ONE thing that Bill or Hillary Clinton has said that is racist."

I gave you several examples of how they attempted to utilize racism -- focusing on Wright and Farrakhan, dismissing black voters, emphasizing their support among the white population as if it's somehow more meaningful than the support of other demographics.

I don't believe they are racists themselves, they merely try to utilize the racism of other people. That's probably worse.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:30:29 PM EST
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Re: Considering they agree on 99% of the issues (none / 0)

Seems to me that every time race is brought up, 9 out of 10 times it's coming from the HRC side.


by mikeinsf on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:30:48 PM EST
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Re: Considering they agree on 99% of the issues (none / 0)

(1) Your question does not respond at all to the comment made above.

(2) It's simply false to claim that apart from black voters "large majorities" have voted against Obama.  Obama won a majority of all votes cast - even if you include Michigan and Florida.  There are a lot of others in there, too.

If the Clintons were seriously courting black voters, there were any number of things they could have done, but didn't.  Ultimately, though, they faced the obverse of Obama's problem - Af-Ams were very proud that one of their own was being seriously considered for the Presidency.  Someone wrote the other day that when he won Iowa, it was like she felt for the first time that she was a full citizen.  (Please, by the way, tell me how Obama's smears of the Clintons as racist helped him win Iowa.)

Black voters supported Obama on their very own.  Nobody controlled their minds and made them do it.


by TL on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:29:24 PM EST
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This cut and paste comment (2.00 / 2)

has been posted word for word under other user names in various diaries.  It comes directly from Hillaryis44 and needs to go back there where it will be among friends and family.


I trust Senator Obama.
by GFORD on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:11:55 PM EST
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Re: This cut and paste comment (2.00 / 1)

Good catch.

I think we, as a community, need to just ignore these "Obama is a race-baiter" comments.  Invariably, they seem only meant to provoke without a serious intent for dialogue.


It's just the beat of time, the beat that must go on
If you've been trying for years, we already heard your song
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:29:32 PM EST
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It doesn't come from Hillaryis44, it comes (none / 0)

from me because its the truth.

Tarring good people as racists or race-bators is unacceptable behavior in my book.

I will not be voting for McCAin or Obama as I don't support people who incite racial hatred for political purposes.

Good luck in November!!!


by mmorang on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:57:11 PM EST
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Re: It doesn't come from Hillaryis44, it comes (none / 0)

Yeah.. I saw the same post in a different thread this morning.


by mikeinsf on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:31:39 PM EST
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Re: WestVirginians don't like people whoFALSELY ac (none / 0)

Ironic, since it is Hillary herself that is saying that white people won't support Obama...


by LordMike on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:37:33 PM EST
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Analyzing a race and describing what demographic (none / 0)

support you have and your opponent has is NOT in any way racists. It is something all campaigns do.

Describing a situation is not the same as creating it. Is that simple concept over your head?


by mmorang on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:59:27 PM EST
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Re: Analyzing a race and describing what demograph (none / 0)

She pretty much said that West Virginians won't vote for a black man...  Is that simple concept over your head?


by LordMike on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:43:41 PM EST
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Re: Analyzing a race and describing what demograph (none / 0)

Rendell said that some people in PA would be adverse to voting for a black man.  It's a sad, but true statement.

The PC police are here!


by reggie44pride on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:50:48 PM EST
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Re: WestVirginians (none / 0)

We really need to be able to discuss race more openly in this party.

Really.

Citing demographic statistics, facts, or polling results is not racist or race baiting.

The PC police would be proud.


by reggie44pride on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:49:14 PM EST
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