Or DiamondJay?
This will take his "Obama is unelectable" binky away....
Don't count on it...
ah, I wouldn't be bragging about 37% of the white vote for Obama.
It's early, Jerome, have faith?
He JUST got pounded on Rev Wright and bittergate by the Republics AND Hillary.
In the fall, lots of folks will have his is back, or do you think Ed Rendell is going to undercut him in Penn then?
So maybe the conversation should be about the Democrats having a "white" problem?
And that is the entire point of Obama's campaign.
For decades, the Right has divided working class people using lifestyle and so-called "values" issues--to the point where voting for a progressive ticket just isn't in their DNA. Clinton, unfortunately, seems to be using the same tactics in her quest for the White House.
But Obama is trying to not just win the presidency, but to convince these working class people that progressive values are working class values. The end results would be not just a Democratic president, but a different electoral and political map. A different way to doing business. And this is a change that could begin to reverse the Right's influence and last for generations.
As a left-leaning independent, that is what's so appealing about Obama and so dispiriting about Clinton. I don't expect miracles from either. But the choice between a long-range political vision vs. how much gas costs in July is a no-brainer.
"to convince these working class people that progressive values are working class values"
Exactly it. Well said. Recouping our progressive roots.
I agree with you about the point of Obama's campaign. The problem is he fails miserably at it. Hillary Clinton is persuading working class people that progressive solutions are better, and that is why she wins working class whites, Hispanics and Asians.
Obama wins nearly all African Americans because he may be the best president for African Americans, not through an appeal to progressive issues.
That is another reason I prefer Hillary Clinton, she articulates the progressive stand on issues in a way that persuades swing voters. That is what we have to do to achieve a progressive long-range political vision.
I hear you.
I think the biggest difference is tactics. Clinton (like the last four presidents) has to--to some degree--"con" those voters into supporting progressive values with gimmicks and distractions. An example of that would be the gas tax holiday.
Obama's alternative--walking us carefully through the nuances of a problem and taking note of the required sacrifice--is tricky. It doesn't lead to catchy soundbites. And it may be too hard of a sell for the majority of the working class.
I certainly hope otherwise.
(And in case you're wondering, I don't let Obama off the hook completely. His refusal to support gay marriage is a political gimmick and a real disappointment.)
BTW, thanks for replying in a respectfully disagreeing kind of way. Appreciate it.
Obama became president of the Harvard Law Review by pitting the conservatives against the progressives.
He got to be a state senator by suing his friend who helped him politically and getting her name off the balot.
He won his U.S. senate seat in IL by running against a nut who didn't even live in the state.
He's about to win the Democratic nomination by tarring Democratic president Clinon and Senator Clinton with race-bating charges that are utterly FALSE!!!
He's inexperienced and has troubling associations that can easily be exploited by Republicans. He will not change the map (not in a positive way).
He can't even win a red-state in 15 minutes from where he lives even though he has a HUGE money advantage.
By playing the race card against two good and fine Democrats he's lost me, and I'm not alone.
His race-bating strategy is sickening and it will split the party.
"He can't even win a red-state in 15 minutes from where he lives even though he has a HUGE money advantage."
Well, he actually CRUSHED Hillary in the part of the state that's fifteen minutes from his house. Damn near won the state based on Gary.
Compelling. You should totally vote for McCain.
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Not bragging but still, not that different from our last few standard bearers before he is even officially declared. And with the possibility of him bringing new voters into the process he may not need to win as many white voters to win. Not that he shouldn't try of course...
Well, from the looks of the poll, he will gain about 3% on the number of blacks, and lose about 2% on the number of latinos, so, I do think he'll need over 40% of the white vote. But this is a pretty meaningless number, only the states matter.
The only numbers that matter are the ones that seem to benefit Clinton, be they delegates, states won, or popular vote totals in states her campaign agreed not to count.
Thanks, Jonathan for another great post. If not for you, I would have stopped reading this blog altogether. It's like politics through the looking glass.
I think that we should be looking at what they started with. It's possible that Kerry started with a higher level of support during the primaries and tapered off as the GE nears. From this we could extrapolate how much lower or higher Obama's support will go.
in Indiana even though they know him and he has a HUGE money advantage.
He didn't win in CA, TX, IN, OH, PA, MI, FL.
Exactly what new voters will he bring in. He needs to work on bringing the old voters back.
For every new voter he brings in 2 will walk out the door and I'm one of them.
Playing the race card against two good and fine Democrats is slimey and I will not support that kind of strategy.
Bill Clinton's foundation has already provided FREE AIDS medicine for MILLIONS of blacks in Africa. What the hell has Obama done?
Obama should wait until he is elected twice and leaves office with the highest approval rating ever recorded, like Bill Clinton, has done before he starts talking trash.
go ahead and take your marbles and go home, since that seems to be the maturity level. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Jerome, McCain's numbers are lower than Bush's as well, because there are undecideds.
McCain wins the white vote by 6% Bush won the white vote by 7%
It's all within the MOE, but if anything, Obama is running better.
LOL! He's already got a few "37% ain't shit" comments in below. I think he's wise to this thread.
