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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 1)

VP picks are overrated.

She can be on the ticket as well as anyone.

She's earned the right of first refusal, IMO.

I don't think it's the best ticket per se, but I really think people overstate the importance of the VP.

Edwards did not help worth a damn in the south, especially in NC.  McCain's VP pick matters a lot more because there is an not-so-insignificant chance that that person will take over for him.


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:03:53 AM EST
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She can't be in the VP slot (2.00 / 2)

not with Bill Clinton as part of her campaign.


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by juliewolf on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:25:19 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (2.00 / 1)

I'm a little disappointed with Bill Clinton.  I thought this week, "Wow! look at him go in NC... He's going to make a big difference!"  And poof!  Nothing!  He's been a real liability to the campaign as a whole.  Where as I thought two days ago he was a real asset 'cos of his energy, I now think he's a real drag 'cos of his links to the past, or whatever reason why he's not effective anymore.


by LordMike on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:30:10 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (2.00 / 2)

the thought that Bill could make a difference was always weird to me.

he might have been worth a fraction of a point but overall I think you're right. He hurt her campaign a bit.

I for one was on the sidelines on this campaign until he opened up his big mouth in South Carolina and played racial politics. Wasn't a big fan of that moment.


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by alex100 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:49:06 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (none / 0)

I think he was a mixed bag. For every person who said, "We get two for the price of one," there were people who wanted to see a candidate standing on her own two feet, and of course he had his gaffes and past which undermined him.


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:53:58 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (none / 0)

Obama will have no choice but to offer her the slot, which she will refuse. Bill Clinton has nothing to do with it.


by doyenne49 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:01:01 PM EST
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Agreed fully. (none / 0)

She's done amazing job this election and outperformed her campaign, I think.  She definitely earned the right of first refusal.  I don't think it's a good ticket, but just as Abigail Adams said in the miniseries "John Adams," "the Vice-Presidency, at least.  Anything else would be beneath [her] dignity."  (I may have fucked up that quote, but the sentiment is there).  Hillary has earned a lot in this campaign.  That includes the right of first refusal and possibly the first court pick.


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by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:31:52 AM EST
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Re: Agreed fully. (2.00 / 1)

She has been a better candidate than her campaign. But, then again, she hired those folks and ultimately bears responsibility for the team she put together and its approach.

I wish she had run in 2004. I'm certain she would be working on her re-election campaign right now and the country would be better off for it.


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:55:19 AM EST
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Re: Agreed fully. (none / 0)

I think she earned the VP spot and such a choice would go a long way towards healing the party divide.  The Supreme Court is WAY too important though for a seat to be given away as political spoils.  Sure she should have a say in it but so should many others.  We need exactly the right blend of progressivism, symbolism and longevity in our pick to make it as effective as possible.  Ultimately that will be Obama's choice to make.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:36:13 PM EST
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Re: Edwards did not help worth a damn in the south (2.00 / 3)

Wrong.

In 2004, Bush gained in all Southern States, but his gain in NC was the smallest.

So, relatively speaking, Edwards did help.

Remember, it's not only about winning swing states, it's also making the Republicans spend money in states that are supposed to be theirs. And a Southerner (or Westerner) on the ticket still seems to be a smart way to accomplish this.


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by aufklaerer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:11:38 AM EST
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