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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 13)

Thank you for this excellent analysis, Texas Darlin'.

Bottom line: Obama can't close the deal.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:10:20 PM EST
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He just did (1.83 / 12)

Team Clinton is just playing out the final two minutes of a game it's trailing by 20.  She might score a few more baskets but the scrubs have taken the floor.


by JJE on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:26:20 PM EST
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Re: He just did (2.00 / 3)

Heh.. I'm from Kansas, and we know how to win, especially when folks on the other team keep missing free shots.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:57:46 PM EST
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in that case (2.00 / 1)

you should surely know you need a miracle comeback if you letting the other team go on a massive run in the middle of the game.  Tarheels didn't choke last night like they did in April.


by JJE on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:04:54 PM EST
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OBAMA WAS FAVORED TO WIN INDIANA ALL ALONG??? (2.00 / 4)

Nice try, but no.

Final Results    --    --    50.7    49.3    Clinton +1.4

RCP Average    05/02 - 05/05    --    49.0    44.0    Clinton +5.0

Zogby Tracking    05/04 - 05/05    644 LV    43    45    Obama +2.0
InsiderAdvantage    05/04 - 05/04    502 LV    48    44    Clinton +4.0
SurveyUSA    05/02 - 05/04    675 LV    54    42    Clinton +12.0
Suffolk    05/03 - 05/04    600 LV    49    43    Clinton +6.0
PPP (D)    05/03 - 05/04    851 LV    51    46    Clinton +5.0
Zogby Tracking    05/03 - 05/04    636 LV    42    44    Obama +2.0
ARG*    05/02 - 05/04    600 LV    53    45    Clinton +8.0
Zogby Tracking    05/02 - 05/03    559 LV    41    43    Obama +2.0
Zogby Tracking    05/01 - 05/02    629 LV    42    43    Obama +1.0
Insider Advantage    04/30 - 05/01    478 LV    47    40    Clinton +7.0
Downs Center    04/28 - 04/30    689 LV    52    45    Clinton +7.0
Zogby Tracking    04/30 - 05/01    680 LV    42    42    Tie
Rasmussen    04/29 - 04/29    400 LV    46    41    Clinton +5.0
ARG*    04/30 - 05/01    600 lV    53    44    Clinton +9.0
TeleResearch    04/25 - 04/29    943 LV    48    38    Clinton +10.0
PPP (D)    04/27 - 04/28    1347 LV    50    42    Clinton +8.0
SurveyUSA    04/25 - 04/27    628 LV    52    43    Clinton +9.0
Howey-Gauge    04/23 - 04/24    600 LV    45    47    Obama +2.0
ARG*    04/23 - 04/24    600 LV    50    45    Clinton +5.0
Research 2000    04/23 - 04/24    400 LV    47    48    Obama +1.0
Indy Star/Selzer    04/20 - 04/23    535 LV    38    41    Obama +3.0
Downs Center    04/14 - 04/16    578 LV    45    50    Obama +5.0
LA Times/Bloomberg    04/10 - 04/14    554 LV    35    40    Obama +5.0
SurveyUSA    04/11 - 04/13    571 LV    55    39    Clinton +16.0
ARG*    04/02 - 04/03    600 LV    53    44    Clinton +9.0
Research 2000    03/31 - 04/02    400 LV    49    46    Clinton +3.0
SurveyUSA    03/29 - 03/31    530 LV    52    43    Clinton +9.0


by doschi on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:30:33 PM EST
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Re: OBAMA WAS FAVORED TO WIN INDIANA ALL ALONG??? (none / 0)

Great post.  As usual around here, posts containing factual information that destroys the diarist's premise are simply ignored.


John McCain the flip-flopper...
by chinapaulo on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:47:58 AM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (1.77 / 9)

Top line - everywhere: Obama is closing the deal.

Anymore baseless assertions to share?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:27:02 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (1.57 / 7)

KnowVox,  please keep up the good entertainment.

Obama can't close the deal,   please give us more 1 line zingers like that.


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by GeorgeP922 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:29:23 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 4)

Obama can't close the deal, which is why he LOST in Indiana, despite having the home court Chicago media advantage and outspending HRC 2-1 and 3-1.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:45:55 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 5)

He's such a naughty boy, outspending Hillary, and even worse: SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

1.5 million people have contributed to his campaign, and what does he do - spend it on winning the primaries? How dare he.

And how dare he bribe superdelegates by contributing to their down ticket campaigns too.

It's outrageous. Campaign finance should be raised by a few rich donors, who then go on paying a few rich lobbyists and media corporations. That's the way it's done. That's the way to make America more democratic and responsible,

MEMO TO OBAMA: stop spending other people's money. Try spending some of your own


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:15:17 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama might even try the ssame tactic in the general election and outspend his opponent!Dirty, cheatin', arugala-eatin' uppity black man!


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:28:49 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 0)

er, he did not outspend her 2:1, let alone 3:1 in IN. Can you come up with a credible source for that bit of questionable information?


by notedgeways on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:25:23 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (none / 0)

Why do they ignore the fact that Obama is forking out HUGE amounts of money? He's outspending 2/3 to 1 and he still lost Indiana. Is that their idea of closing the deal?


by zenful6219 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:49:14 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 0)

Not only does he utilize his superior campaign donations, but he also gives inspiring speeches and registers thousands of new voters!  I hate it when he wins dirty!


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:32:58 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (none / 0)

you're making the Obama supporters' argument for them - Hillary can't raise enough money to win against Obama - how is she supposed to beat the VRWC if she can't raise the money?  Hmmmm?


Vote for a true progressive in November: Cynthia McKinney (GRN) for President!
by brooklyngreenie on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:06:49 AM EST
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he i snot closing the deal (2.00 / 4)

he is losing every state where there is not a huge AA population.  He even lost a few points in that demographic in IN.  
what is his problem and when will the party save us from this 50 state disaster?
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:55:00 PM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (2.00 / 7)

There sure are a ton of blacks in Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Kansas, North Dakota, Idaho, etc.

Want to make up some more facts?


by PSUdan on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:04:13 PM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (none / 0)

Were not most of these wins in states like IA, MN, NE, KS, ND, and ID by Obama due to the rigged caucus process?, which TX proved to everyone!  I do not think any of these states like IA, MN, NE, KS, ND, and ID have huge AA populations like they do in SC, NC, GA, MS, AL, LA.  Most of these deep southern states have not been carried by a Democrat since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed.  They all went Republican and will do so again in November.  I do not see Obama winning any of the states in the South that I listed here!

This election should have been a slamdunk for the Dems in 2008, but now race and gender has raised its ugly head in our party giving McCain a sure win in November.  It makes one want to weep.


by mcctx on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:59:00 PM EST
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He won more primaries than her (none / 0)

and we're going to win NC this year.  NC is lead by the nose by VA and VA is goimg Dem this year if only to elect their oh-so popular former governor Mark Warner.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:52:45 PM EST
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Re: He won more primaries than her (none / 0)

I don't know where you get your information.  North Carolina is not Virginia.  The heavy AA vote can win the primary for you but the general is a totally different game.  Obama will not win N.C.  If he's the nominee, McCain will take N.C.  I made calls here for three weeks.  And I heard it over and over and over - from Democrats - they'll vote for McCain if Obama's the nominee.


by Tolstoy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:54:03 PM EST
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Re: He won more primaries than her (none / 0)

By the fact that NC has always throughout its history voted as VA, from presidential elections to the constitutional amendments.  Check out a political history of NC.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:49:54 AM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (none / 0)

Who in the heck started throwing snot around! Good lord! Clean it up!


by futbol dad on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:27:39 AM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (2.00 / 0)

Don't forget my state, WI.  Everyone always forgets us and we are actually one of the larger states.  We are mostly white and Obama won almost 60% of the vote here.


by catalysis on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:06:40 PM EST
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Don't Forget Utah (2.00 / 0)

There's about as many blacks in Utah as there are Clinton supporters there--almost none.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:35:47 PM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (2.00 / 6)

Let's count some states with a huge AA population:

WA,ID,MN,ND,WI,MA,NH,CO,UT,NV,WY,HI...

off the top of my head.


by reenactor on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:05:53 PM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (2.00 / 0)

Alaska. I've heard it's like Detroit North.


by jbill on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:35:58 PM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (none / 0)

East St. Louis.  Mos def.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:46:54 AM EST
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a separate tally for Black votes? (2.00 / 4)

Should we not be counting Black Democrats votes?

Maybe the Democratic Party should have a "White" pre-primary. Once the Dem Party has established the stronger candidate with "White" voters then Blacks could either ratify the choice or skip the primary.

Would that kind of voting system be an improvement in your mind?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:48:47 PM EST
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Why can't hillary catch up (2.00 / 1)

Oh how sad you are teresa. Hillary couldn't pull out the major victory she needed last night. Once again Teflon Obama wins the day. And now hillarys chances are slipping away fast.
Drip
Drip
Drip
"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:51:30 PM EST
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Re: he i snot closing the deal (1.66 / 3)

A new item in the list of conditions under which Hillary would already be the nominee: if African American votes only counted 3/5.


by zomoskeptic on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:25:48 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 6)

Obama is closing the deal everywhere?  Like Calif, Tex, Ohio, Penn, Fla., Indiana, NJ?


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:58:01 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 0)

Except that he'll likely win 3, if not for of them.


by Tenafly Viper on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:07:45 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 3)

Even scarier, he's closing the deal in states Democrats never win in the general.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:08:29 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 2)

Thats only if you use old election maps..

Obama and his netroots campaign have redrawn the electoral map. In most states I believe that registered Democrats now outnumber republicans.

Hillary's focus is only on the handful of big states.. the non latte sippers( Like New York and California.. those latte haters?)
Obama will bring many more states into play.
You see its a change in how politics is done..

We can stick to the old and obviously loosing, big state strategy, like Clinton...
or we can embrace the new changing American population and attitude which will redraw the US electoral Map a lovely shade of blue this November.


**Stop the Drama.. Vote Obama**
by Winterblink on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:33:19 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (none / 0)

Then why is McCain beating him in MA of all places and most other states in polls now?  One of the most Dem states in the union like MA that even McGovern won in 1972!


by mcctx on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:13:17 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 0)

if you look at the graph jerome so kindly supplies, you'll see that you are talking out of your ass. and the mass poll is an outlier. every other poll i've seen has him winning comfortably.


by jbill on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:44:55 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (none / 0)

Your in la la land!  Dream on!


by mcctx on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:05:47 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 0)

Pleasae stop using today's polls as to what will happen in Nov.  Yes, the swing states do count for something...but this time the electoral map could change.  You cannot possibly predict with such certainty what will happen between aug and nov.
This post is really interesting...especially when past polls show that texas darlin is not giving the facts - Hillary was expected to win Indiana and Obama to win North Carolina.  Why you are spinning this is beyond me!  In PA the guy came within 9.2 points....slicing that from 20+.  Hillary was considered the second coming after PA - she 'slaughtered' Obama, huge victory....when NO ONE thought he would overtake her there.
The NY Times says today that even with MI and FL (and giving projected vote totals for remaining primaries), Obama is still ahead in pop vote as well as pledged delegates....is this true does anyone know?
by mariannie on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:24:30 AM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (none / 0)

this is only wishful, utopian thinking.  Get a grip on reality.  Obama will not win states like NC in the fall, no matter how much you wish it to be true.


by slynch on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:25:49 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 0)

This looks like fun, lets play a game.  You name a state where Hillary closed the deal, then I name a state where Obama has.  Back and forth and I bet you  run out of states long before I do.  Also nice call on Texas, though I don't know if I'd count a -5 delegate shift is a win.  FL doesn't count either, wanna name more big states?  


by matchles on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:10:51 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 2)

A deal isn't closing, it's closed, That's like the check is in the mail. in the haste to bully Hilary off the court the press has called her demise more than once, but this really is the question. We do need a candidate who has the best chance to win against McCain, and the race isn't over. Chill out whoever you are, there is more to come.  


by anna shane on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:33:55 PM EST
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Speaking of (2.00 / 0)

the check is in the mail...
why does Hillary need to keep loaning her own campaign money?
by alb on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:06:06 AM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (2.00 / 4)

You got that right, KV.  Thanks.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:44:51 PM EST
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you're right! Obama sucks as a candidate (2.00 / 2)

What's it say that he's beating HRC in a race where she started with advantages in fundraising, name recognition, national networking and superdelegate support?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:44:28 PM EST
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Re: Stop the Presses! Why Did Obama LOSE? (none / 0)

And Hillary has no clue how to make one in the first place.


by MNPundit on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:04:37 PM EST
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