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Obama cannot win the GE, Clnton can (none / 0)

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by internetstar on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:48:13 AM EST
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Re: Obama cannot win the GE, Clnton can (none / 0)

this is exactly what we don't need.


by ab03 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:49:05 AM EST
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Re: Obama cannot win the GE, Clnton can (none / 0)

The NAFTA lady can't even win the nomination.  Put down the pipe.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:46:52 PM EST
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Either of them can beat McCain....

It's weird... I know we are used to underestimating our candidates... especially if they are not our first choice, but geez oh man... Some of you are VASTLY overestimating McCain....


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:01:34 PM EST
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Everyone thought Kerry could beat Bush in 2004, too.  

Dems have taken for granted the quality of our  national candidates in the last couple of elections.  That's why we've been losing.


by Betsy McCall on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:57 PM EST
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We've been losing because we have allowed the Republicans to control the narrative and define our candidates...

Change those two things, change the outcome.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:14:07 PM EST
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Well then thank god we're going to nominate the candidate that won two thirds of the states, locked up the popular vote as early as February, has a HUGE pledged delegate lead, will have the SD lead shortly, expands the map (even to states that don't matter), brings reagan dems back to the party, adds a humongous youth vote, and has the honor to be good for his word after coming to an agreement with all of the other candidates with regard to Florida and Michigan.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:17:24 PM EST
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Sheer spin, no substance.


by doyenne49 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:07:45 PM EST
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He doesn't have those things?  What part was spin?


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:10:15 PM EST
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crickets


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:10:04 PM EST
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Pretty stupid analysis - let';s decide what the battleground states are and decide that clinton can win them and ignore:
the popular vote
the pledged delegates

Clinton is history - that argument just doesn't fly. Clinton has simply had a poorly run campaign that started with every advantage and has managed to lose. Obama has weathered the ridiculous Wright flap and the math doesn't lie - clinton has no chance. In the general election Obama will do better - he doesn't have to defend a vote for the Iraq war (like Kerry), he doesn't have to defend being for Nafta before being against it, he doesn't have to defend a pandering gas tax rebate for the oil companies.

Time to unite around the democratic nominee and go after a vulnerable McCain. His age, his mistatements, his anger problems and his lack of integrity make him very vulnerable. Plus - he will say something stupid to damage his campaign or credibility.


by correctnotright on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:38:26 PM EST
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Well, to state the obvious, she can't win the GE until she wins the nomination and as of last night Slate is giving her a 4.2 percent chance of doing that.  So you can argue all you want about who would be the better candidate in the general election but if she doesn't get the delegates, she's never going to get there.


by Gene In PA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:44:38 PM EST
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The electability argument makes no sense (none / 0)

since she's losing the nomination. If she can't even get the majority of her own party to vote for her (with Limbaugh's help), how in the hell does it follow that she can win nationally.

I agree with an earlier comment; either could beat McCain. But it's the height of silly season to say that her chance is better when she's losing the nomination.


by bookish on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:54:18 PM EST
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