The "official" Obama nomination tour will have to do a detour into the land of unelectability (for him).
i don't think the obama supporters have thought it through. the obama campaign has already sacrificed FL and MI in the general to try to get the nomination. they are focused exlusively on the nomination, even though it will be worthless.
Please stop being patronizing to the people supporting the candidate in the lead by every possible metric. Its one thing to believe your decision is the correct one, but to make the general assumption that people just haven't "thought it through" is insultive and absurd. Like other people in this country aren't hurting as badly as you? Or as intelligent? Or have concerns that aren't as valid, or that they're not capable of deciding on valid considerations?
Sooo... it's ok to be rude and patronizing to someone who backs the other candidate because of where things stand right now?
Take a look around - are you proud of how some of your fellow followers are acting here tonight?
I wasn't aware I had to respond to every individual on this board, or answer for their behavior. I haven't required the same from you. I'm discussing your comments specifically, and they're nothing to be proud of, regardless of what "everyone else" is saying.
Nobody should be patronizing or rude to anyone. We're all on the same side, or at least we should be.
No same side here. Brazile states that the Dems don't need no white working people, or Hispanics and heaven forbid, gays who denigrate the Civil Rights movement. Or, how about that Gary, Indiana Mayor - check out the disbelief from even Wolf Blitzer on the delay. Or, MI and FL voters don't count, the roolz are the roolz except if they may not favor Obama.
I know Jerome was upset about this, but you've got to be kidding if some off-handed comment by a candidate-backing pundit offends you.
I mean, given all that was said minimizing caucus states, or Obama states, or small states, or elites or whatever, neither Jerome nor anyone here should pretend to have such thin skin as to weep when Brazile runs at the mouth.
But if that's what you need right now, by all means...
You're spreading a deliberate misinterpretation of what Brazile really said. Go back and read the transcript of the whole exchange that Jerome posted about (and used to set up a ridiculous straw-man).
Brazile was saying the democrats' base is no longer just blue collar voters and hispanics, but also included the "new coalition" of several other demographics. She was, in effect, doing the opposite of what you're accusing her of doing.
I don't subscribe to the idea that the bad behavior of one group excuses the bad behavior of another. Both sides have had members showing their asses tonight (and, for that matter, throughout this Primary).
If someone is being rude and patronizing, nasty and crass or just plain asshole'ish....it does not matter who they support...they are a rude, patronizing, nasty, crass asshole.
Both sides have them and neither side should excuse the behavior of such 'supporters'.
Shorter version: 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Now, now... No fighting over the life boats.
I never would have understood if it weren't for the 2004 election. There was no valid reason on earth to substantiate re-electing George W. Bush as president, and in fact John Kerry drew the 2nd largest vote in presidential history to make sure it didn't happen. 2nd largest wasn't enough however, because Bush managed to draw the largest due in no small measure to the Republican party's ability to take a bonified war hero and portray him as questionably anti-American based merely on decades old conflicting memories. With that in mind, you can't discount the high probability that the Republican party will use Wright to win another election they otherwise never would have. If Obama is the nominee, get ready for Election 2004 The Sequel: Wrightboat.
With that in mind, you can't discount the high probability that the Republican party will use Wright to win another election they otherwise never would have. If Obama is the nominee, get ready for Election 2004 The Sequel: Wrightboat.
Stiffen your spine. We aren't afraid anymore.
"In an ominous note for Obama, nearly half of Indiana voters rated "the importance of the situation with Rev. Wright" as "very or somewhat" important. That is a remarkably high number considering these are Democratic voters and it has been mostly non-Democrats who polls show are most offended by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/050 8/10142_Page2.html
Why dont you adopt the attitude "if they can do it to KIerry, we can do it to mcCain" instead of accepting defeat?
WRIGHTBOAT????
oh yeah because it worked so well already
in the nomination process verses general election are two entirely different matters altogether.
i don't think the obama supporters have thought it through. the obama campaign has already sacrificed FL and MI in the general to try to get the nomination.
I don't think we're going to win Florida running against a geriatric veteran supported by two very popular Republican governors, so that's beside the point. But you'll notice that according to the electoral map on this very site, Obama wins Michigan whereas Clinton does not. How do you square that one?
Not if the party rallies round. Look at the registration and primary turnout. Any democratic nominee would have got a unity bounce. It was a protracted, heated and substantial primary campaign. Nobody can say neither candidate has been tested.
You should let go of a little of that bitterness; it's dragging you down.
But, don't try to pretend that the land(s) of unelectability like WV or KY (neither would have gone for him in the first place) matter numerically after Obama wiped out her PA gains.
you stay classy jerome
What does that mean, exactly?
I guess he's saying that Obama won't get the nomination before he has to go through Kentucky and West Virginia, which will be large Clinton wins.
I think. Or not.
That was going to be my reply. What the hell does this even mean?
or for any democrat in the fall...
Is this one of those statements that a person has to be drunk to understand?
and I think I understand it well enough. It's a shameful comment.
That is really disappointing from you Jerome.
I like how this diary stayed positive about Clinton and avoided Obama bashing, and you had to go ahead and throw in a slam at Obama.
Good that Sen. McCain can count on your support.
But as I've said all along, if Obama is the nominee, McCain will be the next President.
I know my saying that won't make Obama supporters believe it. But you can't win an election with his demographics.
For whatever reason, the Democratic Party leadership thinks the "New" Democratic Party should be wealthy(er) whites, African Americans, and students, and that this somehow adds up to a winning coalition. It doesn't.
Maybe they don't really want to win the election. I am beginning to wonder.
The saddest thing about this whole debacle is that working class people do not have a party that works for them.
Can you explain how your candidate can win with less than 10% of the African-American vote?
Can you explain how your candidate wins without everyone else?
He is winning. He won HUGE in NC today, and tied in IN.
the general election in this thread.
Oh were you? It's funny how you need to pass through a primary first and actually win it tends to confuse the issue.
Anyway neither candidate can win with their current coalitions. It's ludicrous to suggest that either one of them would go on to the general election with their primary voters only.
and take a look at the little electoral-vote-counter widget thingy on the top left.
Based on current polls, Obama would apparently win the general election against McCain by taking Colorado, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota, despite losing Florida and Ohio.
Obviously polls go back and forth a lot, but Obama's in position to win, especially if Clinton and her supporters do everything they can to make it happen.
You forget we're still in the candidate nomination phase. Kerry was up over Bush too for a long time before the general race really started heating up. Rev. Wright has booked more speaking engagements, and the Republicans haven't even begun their campaign against Obama.
Obama in the general? I don't think it's that hard to imagine. Two names: Ted Strickland and Ed Rendell. Strickland will have to be given the VP slot, unless Obama decides to go chasing after Texas -- which is a possibility with Bill Richardson.
This is perhaps the best potential election cycle for democrats in decades. Not only is Bush a monumental fuck up, but we have vibrant democratic governors in what are traditionally the most important two swing states.
Kerry was up over Bush too for a long time before the general race really started heating up.
Revisionist History is so lazy.
Can you point to where Kerry was up for a "long time?"
I'll help:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Preside ntial_04/chart3way.html
All this talk of Obama not being able to pull support from others who have previously supported Clinton in the primaries is rubbish.
Its also insulting to many, if not most, Clinton supporters who do not want a President McCain.
I'd also point out to you that Obama wins votes outside of AAs in many, many states. He puts many more states into play than any Democratic candidate for president has for several elections.
That's a little self-absorbed. Though you guys are numerous, and very very nice and fun to have at parties, you guys don't number "everyone else" beyond African Americans.
Just saying.
Obama works less for the working class because they fell for Clinton's retarded blue-collar charade?
Nice.
OtherLisa, the interests of black and white working class voters are not mutually exclusive.
Please explain how an old windbag that is the republican nomineee can still win the general when he still looses almost 20% of the vote to canidates that have already dropped out months ago..
Check ou tthe republican results if you need clarity.
did you read Hill's astrological charts to come up with that one?
but I had to troll rate your comment as it's clearly intended as an attack on Jerome. I know, because I giggled and said "ouch" when I read it.
Funny, but isn't that what they said about him at the beginning of this primary! And look at the results now. Obama just beat the most powerful couple in the Democratic party. Truly an amazing accomplishment.
Good God, Jerome, truly- have you no shame, sir?
No, I don't think so. It's very sad.
Yeah, those trendsetters in Kentucky and West Virginia. I'm sure you -and the nation- really look to them for political guidance.
Hey! There are some trendsetters in Kentucky, dammit! Look what we've done for fried chicken!
Jerome, we all know you've poured alot of energy into saying Barack Obama isn't electable. At this point, though, don't you think it's time to give the 16 million people who voted for him the benefit of the doubt? You might think your crystal ball is infallible, but the future has not been written and now it's up to all of us to make history.
Even Kos agrees that Hillary should keep going:
Hillary, don't drop out! (yet)
Yes, the unelectable one. Even BTD now has serious doubts about Obama winning. And he was the one that kept posting how Obama could expand the map.
Myself. That guy is dumb as a post.
Bwhahahahaha. Hey, say something else about how bad Clinton hurt Obama on tha gas tax for me, will you? I don't want the laughs to stop. Biggest casualty of this election season: mydd's reputation. Letting paid campaign shills spam the diaries for over a year now, and spouting off with garbage about our party's nominee like this 24/7. It's really a revelation of everything that online political activity has to offer this country, in that it plumbs the depths of all the worst aspects at once, so now we all know what the floor of the medium looks like. I hope you're proud of what a laughingstock you and your blog have become. I can't wait to read the litany of I-told-you-so diaries on this site. Those will be really helpful and constructive, I'm sure. You just know so much better than the rest of us, don't you?
But I have to think that it probably would have worked out better for you if you went the digby/atrios "undecided" party line and kept your mouth shut. Who's going to hire you as a consultant now? No one getting my donations, that's for sure. It's clear you have no data and pull all your "insights" about politics and the internet straight out of your ass. Gas tax, bwhahahahaha. The best part was when she still brought it up in her speech tonight. Way to go, Jerome. Just like the Clintonite consultant morons who decided to blow off all the caucuses and half of the states (you know, the folks who pay Alegre's salary), you really have a special gift for failing spectacularly, selling out your party along the way, and then embarassing yourself even more with your sour grapes in the aftermath.
What? Obama can't win all 50 states? The horror!
I haven't been here long, but you apparently set the tone here, Mr. Armstrong. Classy.
... your campaign to have McCain nominate Hillary as his running mate?
Because that's the only way McCain becomes more electable than Obama.
