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"Since when did Democrats buy into the 'Elitim' argument anyway."

We don't because it's used against us, not to advance us.    

"anti-intellectual"?

Either you misread my post or you just didn't read it.  That issue isn't even raised.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:02:04 AM EST
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There is a core anti-intellectualism in the "elitism" argument, although at its root is a total contempt for the working class.

The sad irony is that it has worked in the past.

The silly irony is that Hillary Clinton, of all people, is trying to wield it.

The possibly-futile hope is that maybe the country is ready to rise above it.

But by legitimizing the 'elitist' argument, you allow it to be used against Hillary or Obama in the general, Hillary as a hypocrate and liar if she pretends to be otherwise, and Obama because, well, Hillary said it and she's a democrat.

It's like going on Fox News. Bad mojo all around.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:15:34 AM EST
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Elitism is arguing that working class white, Latino, and Asian voters are all voting for Hillary because of racism, and not because of the fact that Hillary's out there pushing specific policy solutions to address their specific needs.  Elitism is arguing that the Clinton economy was the same as the Bush economy, and that both require us to "change" from them.

Elitism is arguing that a temporary gas tax holiday, which is only passed if it comes from the coffers of Big Oil, is somehow not a "progressive" policy.

I think most Obama supporters are elitist, and I say that with full cognizance of the fact that the GOP has used this talking point against us.  But the fact is, it has worked.  You can either claim that it's because the working class has (again and again) been bamboozled, or you can recognize the grain of truth in it.

But I see it when I talk to my friends and colleagues, almost all of whom are Obama supporters, and they talk with contempt of Hillary white trash voters.  And assume that anyone with a college degree must be an Obama supporter.

The vast wealth schism between Hillary supporters and Obama supporters, on average (and excluding African American voters), indicates that the "elitism" divide did not start with any blog postings or candidate comments.  This has been a very real dynamic in this race, and while you can ignore it, that won't make it go away.


by RedSox04 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:34:58 AM EST
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The only instance where Hillary voters were charged with racism is when exit polls asked "How important was race in making your decision of who to vote for?" and many of the people who answered "very important" also voted for Hillary.

No one has ever made the claim that much of Hillary's support is gained through racism but to think that it doesn't exist is ignorant.


by matchles on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:09:56 PM EST
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I said the elitism argument was "weak."  That certainly doesn't "legitimize" it.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 03:24:08 PM EST
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