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What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 2)

"renowned for his hardball tactics in activist events like this"

Sounds like a..ahem, ahem...whats the word, oh yeah, soulds like a fighter!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:06:10 PM EST
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Re: What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 2)

Yes, in my opinion Obama is our best political street fighter. That is why I think Hillary Clinton is at best evenly matched, if not outclassed, in the fight for superdelegates.

I think Hillary Clinton would be a much better president, but I have always conceded that Obama (Gibbs) has the better oppo/dirty tricks team.


by souvarine on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:11:35 PM EST
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Well, that's even (2.00 / 1)

I appreciate the recognition, considering Hillary's campaign choose to feature her ability to fight to the finish, to fight using any available method.

She's also run a bad campaign.  Ignoring caucus states, putting all of her resources on SuperTuesday.  She's made errors you would expect from someone who's been through two national campaigns.  It many ways, she fumbled the ball, time after time.

As a president, hillary is very smart.

At the same time, voting for the war made it impossible for so many people.  If she repudiated her vote, the way Edwards did, she would have cruised to victory.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:31:49 PM EST
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Re: What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 1)

This is very interesting, do you have sources for Obama's history of dirty tricks?


by clad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:33:36 PM EST
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Re: What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 1)

Just links to the rec list.  All the innuendo you can swallow, but a serious lack of...eh...what's that sit called?  Proof?


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:59:10 PM EST
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You smell that? You smell that? (1.50 / 4)

smell like the Clintonistas are desperate.

these people will recommend the flimsiest and most vile crap, as long as it pro hillary.

No standards at all.

They're two steps away from being freepers.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:05:00 PM EST
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Re: You smell that? You smell that? (2.00 / 1)

Beg to differ.  A number are two steps BEYOND.  :)


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:10:56 PM EST
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Lets try to stay positive (2.00 / 1)

There is more than enough mud slinging going around inside the Dem party... nothing is helped by adding to it with that sort of non-specific accusation.  Yes, we've all seen some rediculous crap make it to the rec list.  The best way to respond is to politely refute it with facts.  Yes, some people get carried away supporting their candidate, but you risk looking like the counter-example if you give in to your urge to ridicule those people, especially if you paint with too broad a brush when doing it.

Remember, we all need to be on the same team come November.


by protothad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:13:12 PM EST
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Re: You smell that? You smell that? (none / 0)

As a person without an especially strong liking for either candidate, I find your posts most offensive and unnecessary.

They read like they are from a 10 year old cheerleader.


by reggie44pride on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:23:05 PM EST
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Hmm, you're not ready carefully. (none / 0)

two days ago, someone said "the sight of obama makes me want to puke" without any provocation.

I especially liked, the 10 year old cheerleading line, "obama lost and is sinking because he didn't win by 10 pts" line, that was repeated numerous times, and in various ways.

yesterday, someone posted that an unfounded gay smear will finish Obama off by the end of june.

but, yeah, I'm a big, bad meanie (not).


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:04:21 AM EST
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Re: Hmm, you're not ready carefully. (none / 0)

You just seem to be an immature intellectual reprobate.

It's ok.

This site has them from Clinton and Obama fanatics.


by reggie44pride on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:41:06 AM EST
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That was my first thought also (2.00 / 1)

One one hand, Obama is supposedly not tough enough to stand up against the Republican campaign machine, on the other hand he is supposedly a hard-ass take-no-prisoners Chicago politician.  Which is it?


by protothad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:51:25 PM EST
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Re: That was my first thought also (none / 0)

Obama is a hard-ass take-no-prisoners Chicago politician trying to win the Democratic nomination and the presidency with a character campaign. As I have explained here before when presidential elections turn on character Democrats lose. Character campaigns are inherently divisive (hence the negative aspect of the term "ad hominem"), we need unity to win. Republicans win when they can divide the American electorate.

If Obama wins the nomination and re-builds his general election campaign around issues then he has a chance. Otherwise he will probably be destroyed by the Republican machine. The skill he has shown in small-state caucuses, the source of his lead in pledged delegates if you ignore FL and MI, does not transfer to a general election campaign.


by souvarine on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:13:52 PM EST
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Re: That was my first thought also (2.00 / 1)

Funny you say that when most people see Obama as more inspiring and Clinton as the candidate who has used negative and unfair attacks.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:32:36 PM EST
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In regards to the GE (2.00 / 1)

It looks to me like Obama has a message and platform that will resonate quite well in the general election.  I've encountered quite a few former Republicans who have crossed over and our now supporting Obama, and I'm not just talking about 'dem for a day' voters.  There are quite a few who are disgusted with the Iraq war, the economy... all the same stuff we are.  I'm sure Clinton has her share of those to.  The point is, both candidates are offering a clearly superior option vs McCain.  The Republican machine can try to sell their usual politics of fear and personal smear, and they will try whoever our candidate is... but I don't see anyone but their core base buying it anymore.  Give us a few months of a unified Dem party wailing on McCain and we will bury him.


by protothad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:34:49 PM EST
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