All true. Excellent post.
And Jerome's statement about Hillary leading in the popular vote (the latest placement of the goal posts)is only true if you count Michigan a zero for Obama. In Jerome's world, that's fair politics. 44% of the people voted undeclared because they didn't want to vote for Hillary. If Hillary had followed the rules, her name wouldn't have been on the ballot either. Now she gets 100% of the Michigan vote because she said one thing and did another. Let's reward her for doing that!
Lastly, the idea that Obama supporters hate Hillary is presenting only one side of the coin. Something Jerome is well known for doing. At least he was honest in his first paragraph on his feelings about Obama. But he says we're the haters. I guess it's true if Jerome says it, this is his web site and he's going to ban anyone else who disagrees with him.
Crackerdog writes: " If Hillary had followed the rules, her name wouldn't have been on the ballot either."
How completely false can you be? Don't realize that Obama/Edwards/etc willfully removed their names from the MI ballot? Clinton and Dodd (an Obama supporter now) did not. There was no 'rules' to remove their names: they did it in order to win favor with Ohio politicians and delegates.
This information is common knowledge. And, Clinton is not asking for 100% of the vote, she is only asking for her percentage that she actually was voted.
You should educated yourself before posting completely false information.
The problem with counting Clinton's votes is that no one else campaigned in Michigan. We've all seen how the dynamics of an election change when candidates campaign, ads are run, campaigners go door-to-door, and phone calls are made.
In other words as people find out about the candidates they change their minds about who they are supporting. We've seen Obama start from behind in quite a few states (more so especially before Super Tuesday) and yet through campaigning he won the majority of the vote.
I see no point in debating about Michigan and Florida. If Clinton were in Obama's position, these Clinton supporters would be screaming bloody murder about the rules and how unfair it is to even consider those votes legit. In short, they're all a bunch of hypocrites... At least the ones making an issue of Michigan and Florida and suggesting the votes need to be counted as is. I agree with them wholeheartedly that some resolution needs to be reached, those states will be important for Obama in the fall. The delegations need to be seated but they ought to do so such that the results of the bogus elections they held don't impact the final results. That was the agreement before this all started, then Hillary lost and needs a rule change. Too bad.
I'll go a step further, the Democratic Party will be better off when the Clintons finally ride off into the sunset. They were elected in the 90's to get things done and they produced squat*. It's time to give someone else a chance.
* - Sorry but: no health care, a compromise on "Don't ask, don't tell", and a watered down assault weapons ban when they had the congress and a booming economy to back them just doesn't cut it for me. Something is wrong with their approach to governing. I applaud Clinton's foriegn policy but find it hard to believe Hillary would be anywhere near as successful as Bill. She just doesn't have his ability to bring people together.
...Except that Obama campaigners DID go door-to-door in Michigan, telling people to vote for "Uncommitted" if they supported Obama. Jesus Christ, this point's been run over on this website itself, but just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
JFC, the comments under this post sure make the site sound like its members imbibed the Kool Aid from DKos.
You are confused, sir.
THIS is the 'Kool-Aid' site.... and looks like you've indulged in your share.
Hillary is a non-issue and will be forgotten soon enough. Again, I see no point is debating the "Hillary or Bust" crowd. If they prefer John McCain, there's no hope for them, us or the country.
Trying to lump all Clinton supporters under an idea that they will intentionally support McCain is just hogwash. Arguments like this just undermine what is Obama's message of unity.
In general, you and/or Obama can't speak to unity when it is only YOUR version of unity that is allowed. That is borderline fascism, and nothing short.
If you see no point in debating Clinton supporters, then why are you still posting here?
