that the resentment runs so deep that they're willing to adopt McCain's spin completely uncritically. But I expect there will be three diaries about this by sundown.
I did like this part, just for the sheer comic value Obama would be re-writing the rules [...] and attempt to change the rules midway through the game
So Clinton actually signs a pledge, breaks it, and that's not changing the rules, but Obama agrees to discuss an issue, doesn't agree to accept John McCain's attempt to issue the Democratic candidate a diktat, and Obama's the one trying to 'change the rules midway through the game.
I'm sure McCain, Charlie Black and the gang at Fox appreciate your help "Even prominent liberal blogger Jerome Armstrong recognizes that Obama....."
getting less prominent by the day
Fantastic post. The hypocrisy is so blatant its actually amusing.
Please, tell me what pledge Hillary broke?
She didn't have a press conference in Florida and she didn't blanket the state with tv commercials like Barack did.
It was a different story in October. Back then, Clinton was far and away the national front-runner--by some 20 points in a number of polls. With much less at stake in the matter, she told a New Hampshire public-radio audience, "It's clear, this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything."
We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.
the pledge and part of the pledge she broke. If you're going to make accusations back them up.
My apologies. She merely flip-flopped on several public declarations about Michigan and Florida not counting in the primary, and now she is hypocritically sowing dissension in the party, and lying about her position, in a desperate effort to keep her Schiavo-like bid for the nomination on life-support.
I concede that Hillary Clinton never took a pledge not to be a divisive, earth-scorching, party-destroying hypocrite.
You are right and I am wrong.
You have my warmest congratulations.
Here you go - http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sectio ns/news/070831_Final_Pledge.pdf :
--- THEREFORE, I _____, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as "campaigning" is defined by rules and regulations of the DNC. ---
She pledged not to participate in the Michigan primary. She broke the pledge.
in the Michigan primary?
If you're making the intellectually dishonest argument that not taking your name off the ballot was campaigning then please show me where she was admonished by the DNC or had action taken against her for violating the pledge or where they were even asked to remove their names from the ballot.
But if you want to bring up breaking the pledge then let me direct you to the fact that Obama surrogates were running ads asking voters to vote for "uncommitted" so Barack would have delegates at the convention.
The pledge was about campaigning OR PARTICIPATING.
You intentionally ignored that. I can't possibly believe you simply missed the multiple repetitions of the word PARTICIPATE in the above post.
That makes you a dishonest debater and a liar -- same as Clinton.
And as for Obama breaking the pledge, the good thing about Michigan and Florida primaries not counting is that it won't matter whether they broke it or not.
But ofcourse shameless liars like Clinton simply break first their own pledges and then act all huffy when their opponents try to counter
Did you ever consider that if Clinton had kept her pledge NOT TO PARTICIPATE, then the Uncommited vote wouldn't be a vote against Clinton?
Either way, bye-bye now, liar.
imbalanced or mainling the kool-aid. How did she participate in the primary and where was she asked by the DNC to take her name off the ballot.
Also, feel free to explain how if having your name on the ballot is considered breaking the pledge why Barack had his name on the FL ballot.
The only liar here is you.
"How did she participate in the primary"
You know how, liar -- she intentionally left herself on the ballot and got votes there. By every sane and sincere definition of the word "participate", she participated.
"Also, feel free to explain how if having your name on the ballot is considered breaking the pledge why Barack had his name on the FL ballot."
Because, you liar, it was the law of Florida that didn't allow the candidates to withdraw their names from their ballots -- both Obama and Edwards tried to withdraw their names from Florida as well BUT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED. Not unless they wanted to withdraw from ALL the primaries nationwide as well.
Don't pretend you didn't know that, liar. It has been discussed a thousand times.
