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Re: Counting the people (2.00 / 9)

Interesting on how Hillary loses 12 straight contests and she's, "Still in it!"

But Obama loses a couple of states, and, "Why can't he close the deal?"

Some double standard.... she can lose the majority of primaries and caucuses, but he has to go undefeated for the media to be happy...


by LordMike on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:51:14 AM EST
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Re: Counting the people (2.00 / 1)

Not to state the completely friggin obvious, but HE'S the one who has been saying he has this race locked up, not her. And HIS supporters are the ones crowing all over the internets about how the "math" means the race is over, not hers. So the only one to ask the question "Why can't he close this deal?" is Barack Obama. No other candidate for president in his position (clear delegate lead, massive fundraising advantage, lots of chatter about how his opponent can't win) has been unable to end the race in short order. What's wrong?

I'll tell you what's wrong. A big chunk of the Dem base just won't vote for him. And I'm not confident they'll show up in November.


by ColoradoGuy on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:08:30 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (none / 0)

In 2004, there were 6% of democrats who voted for Bush.  I fully expect that intelligent electorate to fully vote for McCain and give or take an additional 4%.  The good thing for Obama is Independents favor him over McCain so he can overcome that deficit quite soundly.


She and McCain are very close - Bill Clinton
by clintonmccain on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:15:59 PM EST
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Obama can't close the deal because he can't close his margin among white women.  He lost white women again by something like 67% to 33%.  Neither Obama nor Clinton will be able to deliver a knock out punch.  We will just have to wait till June, for the super delegates to decide.


by pdxlawyer on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:20:09 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (2.00 / 3)

Can you cite to where Obama said the race is locked up?  I think he has consistently said that this was going to be a long hard race.

The reason that he loses big Dem states like Penn and OH is because that is where the Democratic party has the most institutional infrastructure and most of the party insiders like Hillary better.  Watch what happens to the "big chunk if the Dem base" in NC, outside the influence of this political infrastructure, for a better gauge of whether Obama can win them over.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:22:50 PM EST
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Shhhhhh (none / 0)

That doesn't play into their vision of Obama as an arrogant jerk that is trying to steal her rightful place as nominee.


I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.
by JDF on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:04:21 PM EST
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He had pretty much implied it when he had that blasé tone in announcing that Clinton shouldn't feel "forced" to drop out.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:05:37 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (none / 0)

Well, thats how I would expect Clinton here to read that statement.

I don't think it is any secret that both candidates wanted the race done quickly when it looked like they would win. I don't remember any complaints around here when Clinton said it would be over by Feb 5.


I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.
by JDF on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:13:32 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (none / 0)

Where did she say that?


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:48:53 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (none / 0)

A very weak statement- he had "pretty much" implied- he was basically, almost, sort of pregnant.


by califdem on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:31:53 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (none / 0)

Okay, so then he didn't mean anything by saying Hillary Clinton shouldn't feel forced to drop out. He just felt it important to announce that for no reason whatsoever.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:48:11 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (2.00 / 2)

"A big chunk of the Dem base just won't vote for him. And I'm not confident they'll show up in November."

There is no part of the Dem "base" that won't vote for him. There are outliers--the "Reagan Democrats"--the ones who voted for W twice--who won't vote for him.

They will be replaced by the millions of new voters that Obama brings in. The brain-donors who vote against their economic interests can reap the benefits of that.


by rhetoricus on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:31:59 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (none / 0)

No guarantee that those "new voters" that Obama brought in would go out and vote in November.

These are people for Obama, not necessarily for the Democratic Party.  That may pose a problem in November.


by stefystef on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:38:37 PM EST
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Obama's biggest problem (none / 0)

is working class voters, other than African Americans.

I'm just gonna put this on a macro because it bears repeating.


by OtherLisa on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:41:44 PM EST
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Re: it bears repeating (none / 0)

Because?

Because Obama can't improve his standing in that demographic between now and November?

Given his improvement in most demographics that have gone heavily for Clinton in the weeks between OH and PA, it sure seems like he might have a chance to improve his standing in the months befoe November:

                  OH   PA

60 and older      28   38
White             34   38
White men         39   44
White women       31   34
Less than $50K    42   46
No college        40   38
College           51   49
Catholic          36   31
Protestant        36   53


by Joe in Wynnewood PA on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:27:19 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (2.00 / 1)

"These are people for Obama, not necessarily for the Democratic Party.  That may pose a problem in November."

Only if the nomination is taken from him.


by rhetoricus on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:27:36 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (none / 0)

Wait -- I thought that he won 11 straight contests, and those included such all-important contests as the U.S. Virgin Islands and Democrats Abroad primaries. (Not that I dismiss the voters in these contests, but there aren't many of them and I don't think they could turn the election to McCain the way voters from swing states like Ohio, PA, Florida, etc. could.)


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:17:03 PM EST
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Re: Counting the people (2.00 / 1)

yes... but aren't Hillary supporters counting on Puerto Rico to give her a nomination clinching victory???


John McCain believes "Women shouldn't have a choice."
by jturn17 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:20:30 PM EST
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