That's all I've heard for months on the Dailykos from Obama supporters. At least my ultimatem is based on fairness, Obama's is based on arrogance and greed.
You have no chance wihtout us and what we are asking for is at the base of democracy, to count every vote.
If you think the MI & FL primaries are more important than a Democratic Attorney General and a competent FEMA director then I don't want your "help" in the GE. We will do the best we can without you.
You are looking to screw Americans, millions of them out of voting for what reason, while I am look to include everyone. How can you be right? Doesn't that worry you or are you ready to let Obama think for you too?
As I said above, Dean should have put them in the back of the convention hall and taken away their cookies, he had no damn right whatsoever to disenfranchise two states. This is a farce and only Dean and Obama will be blamed and hated like Nader is now.
There is no right answer. If you truly feel so strongly about the FL/MI Primaries that you are willing to vote for McCain then good for you. I think that is a short-sighted and stupid opinion to have but you certainly are entitled to it. I look forward to completely ignoring you when Clinton finally drops out of the race.
subject to the voters of Florida and Michigan? Shouldn't we know if they will vote for him?
Hey, I don't want to be in this position but all I can say is, and I am saying it to you and you can pass it on, if the right thing is done we'll be there for the Democratic nominee. The party has been kidnapped by Howard Dean and I want his petty revenge fight with the Clintons over and it should not have been brought into this nominating campaign. I really don't care what Obama thinks about this because he is a candidate, not the electorate. He has no say. Everyone must vote, something you are against and you will have to live with when he gets his head handed to him and rest assured, he will.
So, after the election I will consider your input as much as I consider what people who voted for Nader think.
This is what Howard Dean and Barack Obama have brought to the Democratic Party.
Yep. That's the problem. Obama expects that we have to come around because so much is at stake. As usual, he's passing the blame onto someone other than himself--he "cares" so much that he's trying to frame it to place the blame on the voters. He seems ignorant of the fact that the one who needs to come around "because so much is at stake" is himself.
The decision as to whether we have a fair election and liberal policies and courts is up to him, and frankly, all his delaying tactics suggest that he doesn't care about it much.
Why vote for McBush when you could at least vote for one of the others?
I suspect you'll vote for McSame regardless.
You are using Obama tactics in implying that I am really a Republican in disguise.
That is what Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright and Michelle Obama have brought to this nomination race: hate, the injection of race, deception, arrogance and now disenfranchisement. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama talks to Wright every day because he seems so much like him...but Obama is stealth about it.
If we were on the Dailykos you could hide my entire diary or comments. That would make you happy.
Instead, why don't you too demand re-votes. How can that be wrong? How can fair votes be wrong? It may not help your candidate but are you really willing to chop off two states? Believe me, all those little caucuses that Obama has won, in very Republican states, will not be enough to beat McCain, Take away Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan and you better be ready to $20 trillion of National Debt and war that never ends. You will be responsible for not getting on board and forcing the right thing, re-votes.
Hey....you're the one who says you'll vote for Bush's third term.
Why don't I "demand?" Do you really think the GOP legislatures of FL and MI give a damn about what I demand? But they might listen to you if you threaten to withold your vote for McSame.
You know if Dean and Obama were behind this, the re-vote planning would start right away. I would never vote McCain if it was only up to those legislatures. Carville and Nelson want to start getting the money together and with all the money Obama is raising, it would be easy for him to finance half the re-vote.
You know, this will just not be legitimate until the two biggest swing states vote, especially with Obama's anemic portfolio of wins which are laced with unrepresentative caucuses in Republican states. How can you not want these states to re-vote? Is disenfranchising those two states what you really want or are you just a lemming for Obama? I think most people here who are defending Obama would prefer that the re-vote take place. What do you think?
You have to realize what this looks like to those of us who are not thrilled with Obama. His surrogates want us to finish up the process but 12 states, almost 25% have yet to vote.
You haven't been following closely if you think the GOP hasn't had as big a hand in causing the debacles in FL and MI as Clinton operatives like Nelson and Granholm did.
But whereas Nelson and Granholm want to resolve it to save their own skins, the GOP legislatures in those states doesn't.
Hillary's only interest at this point is in trying to blame and smear Obama for her own political miscalculation.
What you want to say is, if the roles were reversed would Hillary be blocking a re-vote the same way Obama is?
I really don't know but I don't care either. The right for Democrats to take part in the nominating process should never ever be decided on the whim of the DNC Chair or one of the candidates. Expulsion is not a remedy, it is a distortion of the will of the people and they should have to walk miles before they are allowed to let this happen.
Dean should have kept his damn mouth shut and like I said over and over again in this diary, he can give the FL and MI delegations the worst floor position and call on them last, give them the worst hotels but that guy, who has a vendetta against the Clintons should be expelled from the DNC for what he has done and should have been expelled when he first started this mess.
Please tell me when has a DNC Chairman ever been able to disenfranchise entire states? I bet when you log-off you admit that I am right..those people should vote, even if it means a private company would run it, with volunteers from the Florida Democratic Party and if pushed both governors would make sure their states pay their share since they want to have their Democratic citizens heard from.
We will not walk away from this and if Dean and Obama do, WWIII will break out at the convention and what good will that do.
"What you want to say is, if the roles were reversed would Hillary be blocking a re-vote the same way Obama is?"
Not one person who has claimed Obama is blocking anything has ever posted one iota of evidence to back it up....not even Jerome Armstrong when he was asked to a couple of days ago. He just referred to some obsure person without even providing a link.
