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"God Damn America!" is a 'violation of the law' or 'bigoted hate speech'?

Are you really that delusional about the role the US has been playing in the last 60 years? About the extra-ordinary grief US government policies have caused at home and around the world? About the millions of people who have every right to be angry at the US government?

The idea of America, equality, liberty, and justice for all, is beloved around the world.

Nuking mid-sized cities to keep the Soviets off of Japan, napalm-bombing Vietnamese children, lynching black Americans about to vote, ....destroying Iraq, neglecting New Orleans: Not so.

America is a free country because it is NOT ILLEGAL to criticize its history or present.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:23:17 AM EST
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Of course its not illegal.  And most Clinton supporters probably agree.

But instead of being logical, they decide to march lock stock along with little green footballs, Rush, Hugh, PJ media, Fox news and the rest of the right wing noise machine.

Why?
Because for them, its now about their bruised egos and not about supporting the progressive movement.


by gil on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:40:39 AM EST
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"Of course its not illegal."

It is illegal for a tax exempt religious institution to endorse a political candidate. Reverend Wright viciously vilified Barack Obama's competitor, Hillary Clinton and her husband, and praised Barack Obama to his congregation, after Barack Obama donated $22,000.00 to this church last year. I heard the church will be investigated for this violation of federal law, and their tax exempt status may be threatened.

I question whether there was a quid pro quo involved in this transaction between Obama and the Reverend Wright.


by 07rescue on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:33:43 PM EST
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It's not illegal, nor should it be.

The point we are trying to make is that it is a surefire way to LOSE the presidency in 2008.


by Montague on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 01:02:10 PM EST
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I have yet to see the Clinton supporters explain how she overcomes her HUGE negatives to win the GE.
For crying out load she can't even win the popular vote of her own party.
Can't you see the legions of right wingers going on and on about her lie/misremembering/misspeak of Bosnia, or whitewater, or treatment of st. troopers in Arkansas, or her Irish peace process exaggeration, or lawsuits from donors, or pardons or health care failures and on and on and on and on and on.
Uhg.  
It would be DISASTER all of the progress we have made as party would be halted as we revert to the past.

Double blech


by gil on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 01:15:27 PM EST
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A huge amount of the popular vote for Obama is NOT of our party, so right there you've lost me.

As for the other things you mention, they are either incorrect and/or pale compared to what will happen to Obama from the wingnuts.

Whitewater?  OMG so last decade.  Been there, done that, no one cares anymore, move on.


by Montague on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 01:23:58 PM EST
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You seem to have one meme, Wright which is fair (if you stick to facts and not just right wing talking points) but I think the Big O has answered those questions quite well and from recent polling seems to have bounced back quite well.  
While you still haven't even begun to answer how she overcomes her HUGE negatives.  I don't think the electorate will dismiss them as easily as you do.  Especially after it all comes out again and again.  
Do you honestly believe that people just need to learn more about her?

What a mess.


by gil on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 01:52:41 PM EST
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There is so much wrong with your analysis; where to start?

Obama's negatives, now that he is much better known than before, are as high as Hillary's.  This is what happens when one enters a national contest.

Wright is all?  Oh no, not at all.  Much will be made of the fact that the Big O kept admitting that Rezko fundraised 22K, no 50K, no 125K, no....  

Big O has answered questions well?  Oh yeah?  Now he's getting backed into one corner after another and is prevaricating.

Recent polling?  Bounced back?  Sure - among Democrats.  The Rethugs aren't going to be as kind as the Democrats.

RW talking points?  See above.

Facts?  What election is about facts?  Voters in the aggregate don't have a chance to know the facts, if they even care.  Which is sad, of course, because if all the facts were known and people voted on them, Hillary would win in a landslide.

Hillary's negatives?  Democrats love her and a lot of indies do, too.


by Montague on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 02:36:50 PM EST
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Montague, as of today's Gallop poll, Democrats appear to love Obama about 8% more than they love Sen. Clinton, and I can assure you that Republicans hate Sen. Clinton a heck of a lot more and with significantly more bile, than Obama.

I can't understand all the rest of your post through all the spittle and bile.


by zadura on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 02:59:01 PM EST
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