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Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (2.00 / 2)

No being a jerk, but can someone honestly tell me what Clinton's plan to win the nomination is if she loses NC but a 10+ wide margin? Again I really would like to know the thoughts of a Clinton supporter on how this is going to happen
by anujtron on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:52:05 PM EST

Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (2.00 / 1)

Hope Obama implodes in time due to some scandal, or that the superdelegates ignore the pledged delegate winner and hand it to her.  That's been her only realistic path to the nomination since super Tuesday.


by Whash on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:46:45 PM EST
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Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (none / 0)

I've heard the "Hope Obama implodes" argument but that cant be it and she's some how got to close the delegate count, with PA and NC off the board and you figure IN split how does she close the narrow the delegate gap?
by anujtron on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:50:52 PM EST
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Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (2.00 / 0)

Obama impoding is IT.  No one is hiding that the super delegates will be making the decision and there just isn't any good arguments for them to go against Obama unless he implodes.

Everything is close enough between the candidates that there is no compelling reason to risk the backlash from making a different decision that the voters unless there is a very good reason.  It's either Obama self destruction or Clinton curing cancer or something, there is no other way.


by furiousxgeorge on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:54:16 PM EST
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Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (none / 0)

That's the only way realistic way the delegate gap is going to be closed.  What else could possibly cause the kind of 30+ point swings in the polls in most of these states between now and then?  

There is no realistic way that Clinton can make up that difference through just campaigning.  Major scandals, Obama dropping out, dying, etc. are pretty much the only possible way that the pledged delegate count is going to end up even at the end.  

That pretty much just leaves the superdelegates, which is probably why so much of her campaign since super Tuesday has been focused on making various arguments as to their appropriate role.


by Whash on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:59:22 PM EST
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Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (none / 0)

Does Obama have a plan to win the GE without FL, PA, or OH?

I am telling you, marginalizing Florida to win the nomination is a phyrric victory at best.


by dMarx on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:28:43 PM EST
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Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (none / 0)

He isn't marginalizing them.  Obama's said he'd do whatever the DNC and the state decided.  The DNC said hold a revote and we'll seat your delegates.  Florida can't seem to get their stuff together and do it.  

That's not Obama's fault, and he isn't marginalizing them.  

Even so, I think at the end of the day they'll end up seated somehow.  

Now as far as winning Florida, if you're looking at current polling, it doesn't look like either of our candidates have a chance of winning that state.  As far as Obama's electoral map, it seems to consist of winning a number of purplish swing states that Hillary has written off, just like our last few losing presidential candidates.  


by Whash on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:39:46 PM EST
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Re: NC likely Obama by double-digits (none / 0)

Your comment really does not make sense.  Your claim is that the best possible outcome to an Obama nomination is a loss to McCain.  Certainly this could happen, but you are quite literally saying that it's totally impossible for Obama to win the GE.  Which is simply unrealistic.  Futures markets and polling suggest that even from a highly pessimistic POV it's easily within the realm of possibility.  Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "IT CAN'T HAPPEN" doesn't really change anything.  I'm not saying there aren't obstacles, but Clinton's only path to nom. includes many more and higher hurdles.  One could very legitimately state that a Hillary superdelegate coup would be equally pyrrhic, if not far more, as it could damage the party for many years to come and destroy the current massive influx of youth voters who will be the next generation of Dems.


by semiquaver on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:42:08 PM EST
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