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Re: On the rules (2.00 / 0)

I'm not going to talk math, although I'm a math teacher.

The super delegates certainly can vote for whoever the hell they want, so until someone has the magic number, the race is not over.

However, I have to disagree with you about FL and MI. Here is my analogy as a math professor:

If I catch a 2 students breaking the rules on an exam, the grades they otherwise would have received are replaced with zeroes. These rules are well known in advance as published in my syllabus.

Sometime when they are caught, the students ask for a redo, but I don't do that as that would reward cheaters and would be unfair to the other 48 students in my class who followed the rules.

If these students don't like the rules or feel they were treated unfairly, they can always appeal to the Dean! (no pun intended)


by mo on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:19:46 PM EST
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Re: On the rules (2.00 / 0)

the pun may not intended, but it is quite funny!  kudos :)


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:07:16 PM EST
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Re: On the rules (none / 0)

I would say your analogy falls a little short, at least on Florida.

The Florida legislature (both houses) and the Governorship are in the control of the Republicans. The moving of the primary date to its early position was the result of Republicans putting it in as an amendment to popular legislation on voting reform to create a paper trail for elections.  
It was a political no-win for the Florida Democrats.  If they opposed the legislation, it would still pass with a party-line vote and provide ripe political fodder against them in their next election.

Michigan, on the other hand, moved up their primary after Florida had already been admonished by the DNC.  I'm unclear whether it was the Michigan Party or the legislature that moved the date, but the Democrats are in control of at least the Michigan House of Representatives, so, either way, the moving of their primary can clearly be seen as a more egregious violation of DNC rulings.

The final decision will lie with the Credential Committee, but the tendency to lump both FL and MI together, I think, misses the huge differences in the situations.  

Personally, I'd say the DNC was right in initially chastising FL, if only to serve as a disincentive for other states to try and move up their primaries.  However, considering the circumstances, their delegation should be recognized as decided by the primary.  MI, on the other hand, I think should be possibly allowed to attend the convention, but not stand to vote until a candidate is definitively decided upon.

Then the DNC can spend the next 4 years(or hopefully 8, assuming we have an incumbent to defend in 2012) figuring out a better way to handle these primaries and to get rid of these ridiculous, antiquated caucuses.


by JLEcru on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:23:15 PM EST
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Re: On the rules (none / 0)

Why do we have such silly rules?  Did anyone expect that the DNC rules would control what state assemblies choose to do?  

Why do we have the silly rule that NH and Iowa must go first?  Did we all decide that?  If so, why?  Couldn't it be argued that other states, like Florida and Michigan, are more important than Iowan and New Hampshire?  Who would we rather alienate?  New Hampshire or Florida?  

Our rules are just silly.  They make no sense.  We'll be fighting about this foolishness from now until August, if not November.  It's just not helpful to our chances of winning in November.  When will we learn to keep our eyes on the prize and not these silly rules?!  


by SueBee on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:34:49 PM EST
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Re: On the rules (none / 0)

A FL Dem co-sponsored the bill to move up the primary date.  The FL Dems were willing accomplices to this debacle.

FL votes should not count unless a re-vote can be done and the re-vote is done fairly and credibily.


by Terry from Killingly CT on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:01:57 AM EST
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Re, breaking the rules and receiving zeros.

The Clinton camp should have immediatly insisted that Obama forfeit the Florida delegates when ran TV ads in Florida. He broke the rules, and his pledge.


by jrole on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:53:53 PM EST
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Re: On the rules (none / 0)

Yes indeed. And his illegal   press  conference  after the  fund  raiser,   during  which  he  told  Floridian   voters  that  he  would  support  their  reinstatement  at  the  convention,   was  also  against  the  rules.  

And   yet  now,   he  refuses  to  help  those  same  Floridian  voters  he  told  that  he  supported  them.    

If  Obama  gets  the nomination  by manipulating  these  rules,  he  won't  win   Florida  or  Michigan.  

And  without  those  2  states,  he  can't  win  for  our party  in November.  

The  RULES    say   superdelegates  get  to consider  all  of those   issues,  and   as  Tom Daschle  said,   "I'm  a  superdelegate.  I can  do  whatever  I  want. "    


by auntmo on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:12:53 PM EST
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You're clairvoyant... (none / 0)

what other states won't Obama win?


by Erik on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:05:29 PM EST
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