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Alegre, another great diary, thanks. Please see my new diary "Obama's Dance with America" for an update on the Wright issue.
I will - add a link here and maybe you'll get some traffic there ;o)
Also here:
http://theflatlandalmanack.typepad.com/v ersus/2008/03/in-support-of-t.html (In Support of the Kos Boycott)
http://nuestravoice.com/?p=1619 (reference)
Is the New Hampshire of the blogsphere? Have you all found your voice?
The point here is that the conditions over at Kos were getting ridiculous with regards to how people supporting a certain candidate were getting treated.
I cannot believe how many of my comments actually got troll rated over there just because they were pro-Hillary!
Censorship of political discourse is untolerable and I am thrilled that this movement is underway.
It is one thing if most Kos readers are in favor of Obama (strange considering it was an Edwards lovefest there only one short month ago!) but it is quite another to bash another Democrat in order to propel his candidacy.
Hillary Clinton is a Democrat! Her (and Obama's) supporters deserve to have a place at the table and a chance to discuss their choice candidate in a positive way at a blog like Kos, considering it is supposed to be progressives with the goal of ELECTING MORE DEMOCRATS.
Kos was not intended to be an extension www.barackobama.com.
I won't be back to Kos!
I think you'll all be much happier here at MYDD. It's a Clinton love-fest all the time. It's best not to expose yourself to too much reality about your candidate. It's hard to keep drinking the kool aid when you can see what else is offered.
I am in the middle about Clinton and Obama. I see both of their strengths and weaknesses. But I have been appalled at the tone at DailyKos and by Kos' own willingness to do anything for his candidate, and to allow his site to devolve into a hate zone.
It might be misogyny on his part, or a willingness to look the other way when misogyny rears its' head. I don't know. But I find it SO disheartening for a so-called progressive Democrat to behave this way.
I don't see Jerome crossing the line the way Kos does. (I think Markos knows he went over the top about the video darkening, "racism" accusation, and that's why he got so defensive in his follow up posts. Save us from insecure tyrants who can't see their own mistakes, biases and failings. Sort of reminds me of, gosh, who was the guy? ...let me think.... oh yeah: W.)
I understand that it's impossible to police every diarist and posting, but some sort of regular statements about maintaining civil discourse, and refraining from hate speech, AND setting a personal example in one's own statements is not too much to ask. You don't have to be neutral, but you should make an effort to be fair and truly progressive.
We should be decrying baseless slurs against both candidates, and keeping the MSM as honest as possible. Because we'll need every last resource to beat McCain in the general.
I will vote for whoever our Democratic candidate is, happily. I'm not walking away and giving McCain an easy ride the the WH, and I hope anyone who has said otherwise comes to their senses.
Our planet can't tolerate another 4 years of Republican selfish & shortsighted administration.
I would like to take umbrage with one comment from the diary....
"I think they draw a sharp contrast between Obama's and Hillary's supporters...."
I tour a lot of the blogosphere on any given day, my mainstays are here (lurker for quite a while), Kos, TPM, Huffingtonpost, Politico, as well as some MSM blogs...
To be honest with you, I have seen vitriol on both sides. For as many insults and arrows I have seen flung at Clinton supporters, I see them flung back at Obama supporters... I once mentioned that I admired the way his campaign was being run and got called a "kid in search of a messiah"...although not quite as nicely. For the record, I'm a 40 year old heretic, so that could not be further from the truth.
The knives cut both ways.
I'm voting Democratic in November... who the top of the ticket is will not impact that decision. John McCain is simply that unacceptable...
I am hoping against hope that I have a lot of company... The party will need all of you.
And I agree, it's been both sides that have done it. Including, to my regret, me at times.
I think there should be a difference between a site dedicated to trash one candidate, like NoQuarter/Taylor Marsh, and sites that lean(heavily or not) towards one canidate.
I will say that MyDD and Talk left lean Hillary, while DailyKos and Open Left lean Obama. Heavily or not.
Wait, am I supposed to be posting here? I lean heavily towards Obama....but will vote for Hillary if she somehow wrangles the nomination. Ahh Hell, I ain't on no 'strike'.
Boycott?
I lean towards a boycott. heh-heh
I used to enjoy Alegre's diaries, they were one of the few good diaries about Hillary that allowed me to believe that supporting Hillary was ok if she won.
I don't like links to NoQuarter. They have gone way too far over there and look like some kinds of lunatics/freepers.
And that's what I don't get. Doesn't anyone know the difference between disagreeing and degrading? Differences on issues and innuendos that constitute charachter slimes?
Ahh well, consider this my middle of the road MyDD mini-diary.
I disagree with your "Clinton love fest" assessment of MyDD. I was an Edwards supporter who is leaning Obama, but I couldn't take the hatred being spewed at Kos. And the poster above is right, the Obama darkening claims that Kos front-paged was the jumping the shark moment for me. That he hasn't had the class to apologize for those accusations just affirmed that I had made the right choice.
I see a fair amount of pro-Obama diaries here, though there is no doubt there appears to be more Clinton supporters. However, the invective here is considerably less than at Kos on both side. There are notable exceptions: I've seen overt racists here trashing Obama, and I've seen some of the same, non-thinking juvenile attacks on Clinton that dominate at Kos. But for the most part, it's been a far better place to visit.
It is the Obama supporters on DKOS who appear unable or unwilling to engage in substantive discourse on the democratic primary process. All I care about is electing a D in November. I am not firmly in either candidates's camp and will support either in November. However, the hatred and vitrol that masquarades as commentary on DKOS became too ugly to tolerate. The most vile rhetoric was directed solely to Clinton and her supporters by the legions of mob mentality Obamabots who lack even basic critical thinking skills. Avoiding hate is sane, not Kool Aid.
Of course not. We need the comic relief of Hilarry "pie in the sky" delusionists at MyDD to offset our real world planning over at dkos with the REAL candidate for Change who reminds us that Yes We Can make things happen through unity and hard work and that is winning in EVERY category, not the "Change Candidate" who changed her mind on associating herself with positive change who's only "inevitable" attribute is that she is going to use her 35 years of corruption... I mean, "experience"... to try and steal the Democratic nomination which she has NO WAY of winning legitimately. Won't happen, but it's EXTREMELY fun reading people's distorted views here that try and shine a successful light on what will go down in history as one of the biggest Democratic campaign failures in American history. In terms of all time failures, we're talking: 1) 2000-2008/George W. Bush, 2)2008/Hillary Clinton's run for Democratic nomination (didn't even get to run for POTUS). Aaahh MyDD, how I enjoy thee. =D
You know I really do like your positive work Alegre. Best wishes and all.
Thanks SO MUCH for all you've been doing to raise awareness about who Hillary Clinton really is and what she really stands for! You deserve ALL the attention your good work is finally getting! And thanks to what you're doing now, Kos will FINALLY be held accountable for what it's done to trash good Democrats like Hillary!
Solidarity forever! The strike is going on!
Great diary...I couldn't sign the diary at dkos but I'm on strike with you. You've always been the positive voice for Hillary and I'm glad others have noticed your line on the web. We can't allow ourselves to be abused, even if the msm seems to think that abusing women and Hillary is somehow right and fair.
The changes from 7 days ago include 6% more readers and 14% more recommending readers of 17% fewer diaries.
Yesterday:
474 Kogs posted 474 diaries of which 442 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 4040 recommending readers and viewed by 10666
One week ago:
568 Kogs posted 568 diaries of which 514 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 3494 recommending readers and viewed by 10032
Traffic at D-Kos increased again on Saturday compared to one week ago. Viewers were up 3.79% over one week ago, and recommending readers were up 8% over one week ago.
Yesterday 420 Kogs posted 420 diaries of which 395 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 3707 recommending readers and viewed by 9473
Yesterday 480 Kogs posted 480 diaries of which 441 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 3412 recommending readers and viewed by 9127; I looks like the strike is good for D-Kos but not in the way the strikers wanted.
has it occurred to you that the media is picking up on this not because they think dkos is nuts, but because they are in wonderment at how divisive this pointlessly quixotic campaign has become, and how hurtful it will be to Dems if Hillary takes this all the way to the convention floor?
First, this won't go to the convention floor. It will be over by early June, just after the revotes in Michigan and Florida. Second, the claim that Hillary is damaging the party by not stepping aside is nonsense. There is no candidate who would have stepped aside in the position she's in right now.
If Edwards was in Hillary's place and still had a shot at winning, do you think he would quit? Not hardly. And as an Edwards supporter, I would be upset if he did. Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, any of them would still be in this race if their candidacy was in the same place as Hillary's. To demonize her and claim she's hurting the party for not stepping down is ridiculous.
The point is she doesn't have a shot at winning. Even Bill said she really didn't have a chance if she lost TX or Ohio. Spin it however you want, but she lost TX. It is a two-step process, she won one step narrowly, lost the other widely and lost the total marginally.
Nowhere have I seen anybody show how she can reasonably win more pledged delegates. Any other path to the nomination ends there for her, at the nomination.
She can not win the GE after that. Obama supporters will not cross over to her after what many of them will see as an illegitimate win, only if she shows up at the convention with more pledged delegates ... partly because Obama will have dropped out by then! Even the most biased observer has to see that.
So, 1. Why is she still in it again? 2. Mathmatically, how can she win more pledged delegates?
You are spinning if you think she didn't win Texas. Bill was talking about winning the primary vote, and she did that. It's about perception, and there is vitually nobody outside the Obama blogoshere that would agree with the claim that Obama won Texas.
Her path to the nomination is over if you assume it is simply the pledged delegates who will decide. But it isn't. The super delegates will determine the winner, and no matter what you or Nancy Pelosi might think or wish, they will vote for who they think can win in November, not just the pledged delegate winner. If Clinton ends the primary season with convincing wins in PA, FL, and MI, she stands a very good chance of being the nominee. Losing any of those ends her chances.
That's Hillary's only hope. She is hoping that Rezko, Wright, something else...totally destroys Obama and she starts winning by 70-80%. It's totally wishful thinking but Hillary does have the right-wing smear machine working for her at this point. It's going to be a tough couple months for Obama.
Like I said ...the right-wing smear machine is working for Hillary at this point. Good to see you.
by just avoiding the hate and vitrol that passes for "prograssive" blogging at DKOS. I applaud your bringing attention to this matter and showing how to respond to those who choose not to address the hate their site is advocating. There is NO reason to engage or confront the haters on that site. It's only logical to take rational discourse elsewhere. I had already made that decision but your efforts amplify it's effect and I think that is very important for the future.
on DKOS since 2002 you need to be called out: You are lying about a "writers strike"
You are not a writer at DKOS. You are not one of the Front Pagers who are the only people who can truthfully cliam to be "writers" at DKOS.
You are a commenter. That is all.
You have succeeded in misreprenting what you are at DKOS.
I'm in Alegre. I didn't have a myDD account until just now, when I was linked to your diary by an anti-Hillary dKos diary. Now I have one and it's nice to read some sanity again! Kos's site has been garbage for a while, but it really hit the sewers when Kos himself started peddling the "Hillary made Obama blacker" BS. Last straw. Good to have a new site!
