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I think either way.... (none / 0)

the Republicans are going to have plenty of dirt against either Dem. candidate.  I don't think that Obama or Clinton has been fully vetted, no matter how much they claim they have.  Decision: This one's a draw.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 08:57:59 PM EST

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Clinton is fully vetted by virtue of already being publicly accused of EVERYTHING.

What they will accuse her of killing someone new?
What they will accuse her of being bribed?
What they will accuse her of financial scandal?

They have tried it all.
THATS WHY SHE HAS THE HIGH NEGATIVES.

Obama on the other hand has had nothing thrown at him and its totally not known how deep his Rezko links go.

And with money comming from the middle east to bail rezko out its not gonna be looking pretty for Barrack Hussein Obama especially with him not being straight at first about having been raised a muslim


I believe in Hillary
by sonofdonkeykong on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 09:34:39 PM EST
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Was he really raised a Muslim? I've seen the accusation and have asked but no one seems to really know.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 09:39:34 PM EST
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No... NT (none / 0)


by Brillobreaks on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 09:53:37 PM EST
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Re: No... NT (none / 0)

What was he raised as?


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 09:55:25 PM EST
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Re: No... NT (2.00 / 1)

Nothing... from Wikipedia: "In Chapter 6 of the book, titled "Faith," Obama writes that he "was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known." He describes his Kenyan father as "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." The chapter details how Obama, in his twenties, while working with local churches as a community organizer, came to understand "the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change":"

Basically, he joined a church in 1988.

In any case, I don't care what his religion is, but if you believe the "Muslim" line you're swallowing the crap from Fox News hook, line and sinker.

Oh, and I thought Obama was spared from this already?


by leshrac55 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 12:08:41 AM EST
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""My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim," said Maya Soetoro-Ng, Mr. Obama's younger half sister. But Mr. Obama attended a Catholic school and then a Muslim public school where the religious education was cursory. When he was 10, he returned to his birthplace of Hawaii to live with his grandparents and attended a preparatory school with a Christian affiliation but little religious instruction."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/30/a merica/30obama.php
I believe in Hillary
by sonofdonkeykong on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:38:28 AM EST
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Fixed link sorry I have a mac (none / 0)

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/30/a merica/30obama.php


I believe in Hillary
by sonofdonkeykong on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:39:06 AM EST
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Atheist.  His mother was openly atheist, but the liberal arts kind who thinks Buddhism is ok if you don't take it literally.  He converted to Christianity in his 20s.


by HEAP on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 12:17:30 AM EST
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Muslim as per his sister.  Why are you all so gung ho to deny that a child in a Muslim country born to a Muslim father raised by a muslim father ends up being muslim?

His sister said it for pete sake


I believe in Hillary
by sonofdonkeykong on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:41:34 AM EST
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Re: No... NT (none / 0)

Where did she say it?


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:40:19 AM EST
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Re: google works (none / 0)

Nowhere I guess. Thanks redstater. Nice to have you aboard.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:03:23 AM EST
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Re: google works (2.00 / 1)

Here:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/30/a merica/30obama.php


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:42:12 PM EST
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Dirty fucking muslims! Oh wait I thought this was LGF not a "Progressive" website. Comedy.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:04:18 AM EST
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Re: yes he really was (none / 0)

So everyone who goes to a Catholic school is "raised Catholic"?


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by KCinDC on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:42:02 PM EST
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Except of course a whole new generation of voters in in line now and they're not going to remember all of that.

She's lost the African-Americans, she never had the independents, and she won't get the youth vote.

Good job!


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:34:23 AM EST
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Grow up.  Anyone who continually uses Obama's middle name as some sort of attack is a nincompoop.  Neither he nor Clinton have been fully vetted no matter how many times you tell yourself that.  If the White House records are released, there are sure to be some issues, not to mention Kazakhstan.  I'm sure they'll be more for Obama too, probably involving donors.  


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:43:25 PM EST
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Comedy. He's got more legislative experience than HRC and more on  the ground experience than HRC. What he doesn't have is as much baggage as HRC.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:35:14 AM EST
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Re: you are out of your mind then (none / 0)

She's lost eight contests in a row and she's going to lose two more on Tuesday. She's been stopped.

This is a sad, pathetic line for Clinton supporters to take: "Clinton is corrupt, dishonest, and unlikable. So must Obama be (all politicians are) and the Republicans will discredit him as they discredited her."

It's not going to happen that way, for two reasons:

* Obama is not what Clinton is.

* Whatever his character, he is a better politician than Clinton. He's owned her at every stage of the game. If someone has to face the Republican attack machine, better to send the superior campaigner -- Obama.


by EMTP democrat on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 02:08:07 PM EST
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