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Re: Serious / Macho (3.00 / 1)

4 quick comments:

1 - This excerpt doesn't make sense:

"Richard Cohen, has recently stated that the main reason he opposed the war was because he didn't want to throw his lot with the unserious, dirty hippies who opposed it."

Don't you mean that Cohen was FOR the war?

2 - It's Fred Hiatt, not Hyatt.

3 - You're right. Once again the pundits are devoting their attention to defending themselves and their political heroes and sponsors, rather than speaking to the substance of the issue at hand.

4 - As for the "surge" itself, while I suppose that a credible military case could be made for a short-term "surge" to stabilize certain sections of Iraq, such a "surge" would ultimately make no sense unless followed up by a much larger-scale operation, be it either a massive long-term escalation of our military presence in Iraq, or else a staged withdrawal, either of which this "surge" would presumably have set the stage for. And since there is no way that our military can do the former, and Bush has no intention of doing the latter, I think that Krugman's point was that anyone who still supports this "surge" knowing these realities is, therefore, either delusional, or cynical. I agree. I don't know which of these Kristol, Kagan, Keane, Lieberman, McCain, Graham et al are, but I'm inclined to believe that it's a lot more cynical than delusional than many people realize. These people may be crazy, but they're also quite evil, in their willingness if not eagerness to send yet more young men and women to die for their sins and help cover their asses, and I'm not willing to let them off the hook on the insanity defense alone.


by kovie on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 10:31:46 PM EST

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IIRC,
Cohen said that one of the reasons he initially supported the war was because the people who opposed it were so...strident! And that he was reluctant to admit his change of heart because the people who were right to begin with were so foul-mouthed and vituperative about it, to borrow a phrase from a colleague (and no doubt, hero) of Cohen's.
by BlueinColorado on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 11:18:16 PM EST
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God forbid that David Broder's sensibilities be disturbed lest an uncouth loudmouth say something truthful about Iraq in the hopes of saving soldiers' lives there. Clearly, there is no greater virtue in this world than preserving comity in DC. Principled or not, civility is clearly more important than human lives. And 3000 is such a nice round number.


by kovie on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 11:26:51 PM EST
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Re: Serious / Macho (2.00 / 1)

Chris: it would help if you'd pay attention to what you're saying. We're not asking for elegance of style. Just coherence and a little pride in your work.
by drlimerick on Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 11:30:32 PM EST
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Uh, excuse me? Where the fuck do you get off saying I don't take pride in my work? I wrote 5,000 words today on MyDD alone--from scratch--and I make one mistake that confuses what I say, and you take it to mean I don't take pride in my work?

Jesus fucking christ. How about cutting people a little fucking slack.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 12:24:56 AM EST
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FWIW, as for myself I was merely pointing out a couple of minor errors in your post, and not making any sort of judgement regarding them or your writings. Everyone does this from time to time, and it's no reflection on the value of one's thoughts.


by kovie on Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 01:24:46 AM EST
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   Thanks for a very smartly done piece (w. a lot of divergent threads,) Chris.
All publications have editors. That mydd's come wiki-style speaks to its dynamism, no?
by sb on Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 01:07:45 PM EST
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