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Beyond jaded! (none / 0)

McCain may be the ONLY Senator in either party who combines a shred of integrity with the balls to, on occassion, actually and bluntly speak his mind. And for that, you trash and villify him?  Standing on principle is what ALL elected officials should be expected to do rather than cutting absurdly sleazy deals, e.g., Hawaii's quid pro quo with Alaska.  Besides, anyone who holds lawyers in contempt, views the profession as inherently dishonest and the system as fatally flawed can't be all bad. (FYI: Im a long time LAWYER).        
by NYCRealist on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:34:08 PM EST

Thanks! (none / 0)

Man, it's been such a hard day back at work that I REALLY needed that laugh.  Much appreciated.

Do some homework about what he says vs. what he votes on and campaigns for.  You may find your eyelids hurting from being opened so wide.

by Sam Loomis on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:13:37 PM EST
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ah. the guy who pries the eyelids open. thats who you are.  When you're done laughing,  I think maybe    you should read Thomas Mann's letter to the University pre World War II.

If An old yellow dog was opposing torture, I would support him.

I find it particularly interesting that Stoller here is playing up something George W. Bush did, and you are going along with it.

Bush hasn't defeated anyone. Stoller is wrong.

by turnerbroadcasting on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:20:58 PM EST
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I'm sorry (none / 0)

But has Bush ever NOT gotten away with something yet? Harriet Miers and um...yeah. Bush just declared that he'll ignore this just like he's declared that he's going to continue ignoring everything else. As someone who professes not to care about partisan politics but rather ending torture, should you perhaps get over the bickering about whether or not the nation should collectively suck McCain off or not and start paying attention to the fact that the President has just said that he's going to continue torturing people if he damn well feels like it?

Or perhaps you don't want your righteous indignation to be taken seriously.

by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:34:08 PM EST
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dude, yes. I am righteous. be excellent to each other.  Party on:

  1. Social Security Ripoff
  2. Katrina whitewashing
  3. Coverup, Plamegate
  4. Torture (work in progress)

by turnerbroadcasting on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:45:30 PM EST
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Since we're discussing Executive Authority not Legislative Authority, Social Security doesn't apply. Katrina is more incompetence than ignoring the law and I'm not entirely convinced that it'll end up a lasting issue outside of Louisiana where more and more people are blaming Blanco. Most Americans don't think that Bush was directly involved in the Plame leak, they lay that at door of Rove and Cheney.

So then there's torture. Which is apparently your pet issue, consequences be damned, except that you don't seem concerned about the President declaring that he'll continue to torture people. So what is it that you are concerned about again?

by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:54:20 PM EST
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Bush dropped to 34% approval rating, the lowest approval for any American president since Richard Nixon at the time of his impeachment.

The issues listed above are counted as defeating an agenda - however, to add to the list - please note that Bush had to leave the country and wander around while all of his friends lived down their radioactive half life for three weeks,  and he tried to get out of a press conference and pulled on locked doors like an arse.

"Most Americans Don't think that Bush was directly involved."

Guess the 34% approval rating was just because they were mad at Bush for invading an innocent country.

Friend, Executive Authority is exercised in the halls of power. Bush has become as radioactive as Tom Delay.

And you know the best part of your ridiculous counter to my post here? You say this is about executive authority, then you are saying that Katrina was about incompetence and not the law -

Katrina is not about legislative issues. Katrina was Bush in grand style, Arabian horse farmers standing there wringing there hands and wondering what to do, to lead the federal government. Dead soulless stares aka  "my pet goat" - while Bush was dining with business peeps in San Diego the people were dying.

Once they start, they never stop. Torture is part of their policy. Dick Cheney caved on this item and the senate passed the bill and now the President is saying he won't go along.

Well, someone should tell McCain this instead of us just beefing about it + see what John says.

by turnerbroadcasting on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 06:39:07 PM EST
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Re: I'm sorry (none / 0)

did you forget about social security reform?  The Patriot act non-renewal?
"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:48:41 PM EST
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Re: System fattaly flawed (none / 0)

If by that you mean American doesn't work, well, I can't agree, given the options.
by David in Burbank on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:27:19 PM EST
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Re: Beyond jaded! (none / 0)

I'm with NYC Realist on this one !  McCain is the best; I care not which party he might run for to be President.  He has all the qualities needed. And then some.  A 'loser'?? Not by me.
-- Like to know who the dickens would satisfy if not this guy.
by howardb on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:36:17 PM EST
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Re: Beyond jaded! (3.00 / 0)

We could start with any of the 95 Senators with less conservative records and see who might be good...
by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:43:57 PM EST
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McCain doesn't get his ticket punched from me. The guy needs to stand up and deliver.

That said, as a senator, he's doing ok. McCain feingold passed, it helped alot.

Anyone remember 2000?  The dude was running on campaign finance reform. I wonder sometimes if he threw in the towel. As much as I disagree with stoller in theory in practice he's actually right. McCain lost big time. Will he lose again?

Dunno.

by turnerbroadcasting on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 06:42:16 PM EST
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Hyperbole aside, NYCrealist does have a point. I think many of the things McCain is "famous" for (other than getting screwed by Bush/Rove in 2000) are things that can well be described as McCain standing on personal principle in a rather unusual (for politicians) way.

That said, McCain deserves no praise for it. He makes no effort to see the connections between his little and -- as Stoller points out -- meaningless "stands" and the party he's aligned with.

After helping the gang gather rocks, he makes a little speech about how they shouldn't use them to break windows. But don't expect him to succeed. Or leave the gang.

by sdedeo on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 07:14:06 PM EST
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