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Try Consistency (2.50 / 2)

It's pretty difficult to excuse the Mayor & Governor, who happen to be Democrats, while bashing Bush, without appearing to be more interested in partisan gain than the facts. There's plenty of "blame" to go around, but it's also true that the scope of the disaster was unprecedented.

The locals did nothing to evacuate those that were unable to evacuate themselves. Not only was no transportation provided, there were no pre-planned evacuation destinations that people could head for if they didn't have someplace else. The city may not have been able to get everyone out, but they could have taken a lot of those who were willing to go but lacked the means, as opposed to those who thought they could just ride it out. Here's a picture of over 255 school busses at just one now flooded location:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015

Not only were those busses not used, they weren't even moved to higher ground and are now useless. Published reports indicate that the local transit system had about 350 more busses that also went unused.

The local officials simply did what they had done for other lesser storms - put people in a large sturdy structure (the Superdome) that was likely to withstand the storm. That worked, but they didn't have any plan to deal with flooding from the hurricane directly or a levee breach, either of which were quite possible.

Did the Mayor ever go to the Superdome? I don't believe so, and I think that's also true for the Convention Center. Given the geography of New Orleans, any practical plan for a hurricane of this magnitude has to assume that it will take several days for aid to reach the city from the outside. Thus, I find it less than admirable that the locals didn't seem to have a plan beyond calling in the feds.

by SLinVA on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:41:42 PM EST

Re: Try Complex Mathematical Formulas (none / 0)

OK, let's take 600 busses and multiply times 50. That's 30,000 people. Let's assume the Mayor had the authority to comandeer the busses and order the drivers to show up at designated locations all gassed up.

Let's assume the Mayor did FEMA's job and put out an alert for citizens of New  Orleans to come to designated locations to board the busses.

Where was he supposed to send them? Would hotels have accepted 30,000 people gratis? Would gas stations have filled their tanks for free?

There is a reason Hurricane Katrina is a national disaster.

by Gary Boatwright on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:59:54 PM EST
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Global warming and storm intensity.. Scary... (none / 0)

When global temperatures (entropy - variability) rise, I think that the temperature differentials driving storms and all other atmospheric phenomena will also rise..

The possibility also exists of nonlinear phenomena such as massive climate shifts - but from what I have heard this is extremely difficult to model accurately.. Still, what we do know is not very reassuring..

Scientists are talking about things like increased storm intensity (which we are seeing), the migration of tropical diseases and fungi/bacteria environments northward and southward (this also has major public health implications - especially if healthcare is not available to large segments of a population, say, because of its cost or their immigration status)

Its also possible that some temperate areas (most of the US is in the temperate zone) that are currently viable for human habitation or farming might become hotter or sometimes, colder, and also perhaps somewhat nonviable for people.. (too hot for example.. without entailing prohibitive energy costs for cooling - or too dry...)

and also that areas currently not very viable.. (like some of the subarctic parts of Canada) might become viable, or even optimal....

This would be happening all over the world.. not just in any one country.. so we could see massive migrations of people trying to flee the suddenly inhispitable weather conditions..

At least, that is what one (unclassified) Pentagon report I saw forsaw..

NIH's Environmental Health Perspectives magazine also has done a lot of good articles about the health implications of climate change..

Worth reading..

See
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/topic/climate.html

by ultraworld on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 01:43:03 AM EST
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Re: Try Consistency (none / 0)

And you know what, putting them in that big structure was exactly the right decision.  The only problem is it counts on the federal government to hold up its end of the bargain to come in after the storm and supply relief.  The federal government failed.  George Bush screwed those people and there is simply no excuse for the negligence shown by this government.  As for a plan, guess what, thats what the federal government and FEMA is there for.  To protect us, to relieve us, to help us in times of crisis and they failed completely.  They failed not because it was inevitable, they failed because the leadership is incompetent.  It took SHAME to get them off their asses.  Those buses are a red herring and you know it.  Your playing a game either with us or with yourself.  It won't work.  They couldn't have been trusted to do the job, they couldn't have been moved to pickup people from all over the city in a day and not end up clogging up traffic more than was already causing problems.  And on top of that they were not enough.  Here's a game for you.  Bush probably played it as a kid.  Apparently he wasn't very good then either because he just got caught with the hot potato.  He's the man in the seat, he's the guy in charge, he is responsible for this governments failings.  The response to this disaster can be taken as nothing less than what we would receive in the event of a nuclear weapon, dirty bomb, terrorists blowing the levees, a biological disaster.  The only thing is we got off lucky that it was only a category 5 hurricane and it did as little damage as it did compared to some of the alternatives.  I've been consistent from the start.  The feds are to blame, the local and state governemnts did everything in their power and made the right decisions assuming the federal government is to hold up its end of the bargain.
"So this is how liberty dies...to thunderous applause." Padme, Star Wars Episode III
by jrflorida on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 01:04:12 AM EST
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Re: Try Consistency (none / 0)

The local officials simply did what they had done for other lesser storms - put people in a large sturdy structure (the Superdome) that was likely to withstand the storm. That worked, but they didn't have any plan to deal with flooding from the hurricane directly or a levee breach, either of which were quite possible.

You had a good point until here, and then you overreached.  The disaster cleanup was FEMA's job.

You have to do a significant amount of "monday morning quarterbacking" and playing "professional disaster planner" to second-guess the local official's decisions.  On the other hand, it's not that hard to realize that a president who should know a very serious national disaster is taking shape had better get his ass off of a golf-and-guitar vacation to oversee federal disaster recovery efforts.

So once again, we have the right wing pushing personal responsibility for everyone but them.  And yet, you have the gall to shout about hypocrisy?

by jonweasel on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 02:32:39 AM EST
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