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Because I still beleive that General Clark is the best choice for 2008, he won't devide the party, he has military experience (and presidents who have had military experience are more dovish), and is very carismatic.
by SensibleDemocrat on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 04:31:02 PM EST

divisive? Feingold? (none / 0)

What's divisive about Feingold?
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 04:34:22 PM EST
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I've been wondering..... (3.00 / 1)

..... why Feingold and Clark have been polling consistently high. Personally, I am torn between the two. Their appeal to me has much to do with their ability to stand true to their belifs and can advocate their position in an effective and persuasive manner.

Why does this matter more to me than all other considerations? We cannot build a majority so long as our standard abearers move to their right (or appear to in HRC's case) to win elections. We need leader who can move voters to the left! Feingold and Clark seem best suited for the job. All the other candidates, fine Democrats to be sure (not Biden), either can't sell it or are afraid to.  

by crazymoloch on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 06:31:24 PM EST
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Re: I've been wondering..... (3.00 / 1)

I like them both too, but I would describe their common threads intelligence, thoughtfulness, courage, and paying more attention to the issues than to the politics of the issues.    In the case of Clark, his biggest weaknesses on 2004 seemed to be lack of preparation and doubts about his true commitments, so simply showing up and running again in 2008 would make him a stronger candidate the second time around.

by LastToKnow on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 06:44:25 PM EST
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Re: I've been wondering..... (none / 0)

Agreed. And many people, including seemingly ill-informed swing voters, can smell authenticity and phoniness from miles away. Of course some candidates can successfully fake authenticity, but others try to and fail miserably (Kerry, HR Clinton).

Also, I don't really think that Clark qualifies as "establishment" in anything like the sense that Clinton, Kerry, Biden et al do. I certainly don't see how he's any more "establishment" than Warner or Richardson, for example. To say the very least. Part of the establishment flirted with him briefly in 03-04 as the only apparent alternative to Dean, but they dropped him like a cold fish as soon as their boy Kerry surprised everyone by actually winning Iowa. Gore has also moved quite a ways away from the establishment over the past couple of years. I know that Clark, Gore and Feingold all appeal in different ways to many people who are dissatisfied with or infuriated by the current establishment, and while I can't see the numbers I would suspect that there is probably a significant correlation between support for these three here as well. That's a hypothesis based on substantial anecdotal evidence, anyway.

   

by human on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 12:36:14 AM EST
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Just keep in mind (3.00 / 1)

that there's a huge disparity between this blog poll and the mainstream surveys, which consistently place Hillary first, not fourth, with a lead comparable to the one Clark has here. I'd rather see Clark win the nom than Hillary, but it's not in the bag.

I have a sinking feeling that it's gonna be Clinton/Clark . . . I don't like it.

Are we safer yet?
by catastrophile on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 04:35:58 PM EST
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Polls of the general public... (3.00 / 1)

...are just name recongition charts at this point, and do not actually reflect anything resembling what the final totals are.
by Geotpf on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 07:03:21 PM EST
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Right. (none / 0)

But what exactly does this poll reflect? And which is more meaningful?
Are we safer yet?
by catastrophile on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 07:37:56 PM EST
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Re: Right. (none / 0)

This poll reflects who has netroots support, among those active and interested now, who will likely be the core of any candidate draft movements or spread the word very early in the primaries.  The link is vague and tenuous, because there's so much time to go, but it is far more significant than any polls of the general public at those point.  Those tell you absolutely nothing except what you already knew about which names people have heard of.

If you took a netroots poll in 2002 (after Gore said he wasn't running, let's assume), you'd have seen Dean on top.  You'd probably have seen Clark make a small blip.  Gephardt would have shown up fairly low, Lieberman nowhere, and Kerry moderately strong.  That poll would have been highly relevant and informative to those who knew what it meant.  Public polls at the same time, of course, if they even asked about Dean or Clark, wouldn't have bothered to report the insignificant results for those two.  They all would have showed Lieberman with a commanding lead, and Kerry and Gephardt as the likely second tier.  Those polls meant nothing.

by cos on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 02:04:42 AM EST
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