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Re: Criminalization vs. Proactive Reduction (none / 0)

As my mother says it is better and easier prevent an unwanted pregancy then to kill one.

In this day an age of sex education, birth control pills, surgeries for both men and women, spermacide disk, not to mention the old fashioned condoms that you should be using anyway for other reasons.  If people do not have the good sense to use any of those preventions then you ought not have sex.  In the end though killing the child is not the answer.  

by THE MODERATE on Wed May 25, 2005 at 10:51:18 AM EST
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Re: Criminalization vs. Proactive Reduction (2.33 / 3)

I agree with you that people who don't use birth control shouldn't have sex (outside of marriage).  But looking at the Bush policies of abstinence only education, how can we expect people to have the knowledge to do it.  The best way to end abortion is through the education of people and easy access to birth control.  Personally, I would rather have my kids having sex more often (the GOP arguement for Abstinence only education) and being safe, then them taking the chance of them having sex infrequently and unprotected.  With the number of people who are virgins when they get married, dwindling, this is something that needs to be taken into account.  Unfortunately, many Theocons selectively ignore the reality of most of it.  

As far as abortion, I agree that abortions shouldn't happen.  No one likes abortion.  But even if you made abortion punishable by death, it will still happen.  The rich will be able to get rouge surgeons to do it easily and the poor will get jabbed with coat hangers.  Death won't be a deterrent because the risk of getting caught will be minimal, since the majority of people wouldn't know they were pregnant.  So the question becomes do we force people to get it done using substandard care with germs etc, that might make the woman sterile.  OR do we allow it in a hospital even if we personally despise it, in order to keep it healthy.  I choose #2.  And I also choose to go for education.  We can make the abortion numbers in this country go down a significant amount through education and better access to contraception.  Isn't that the best way to go?

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by yitbos96bb on Wed May 25, 2005 at 01:23:22 PM EST
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Re: Criminalization vs. Proactive Reduction (none / 0)

Sorry to interrupt here... don't know if you were checking other comments you made...  in response to a previous question...
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I am VERY VERY sorry... I somehow linked to the wrong article...  Try this.  It's under the "lifetime experiences" subheading of the "Results" section.  
2nd-to last paragraph of the results section, last sentence.  Also, see table 4 in the columns for "Cumulative Abortion Rate"

https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3002498.pdf

again... sorry for the mix-up.  

The orignial "thesis" still stands... these are not including miscarriages, as the author makes plainly clear.

Invest in nature
by NCDem on Wed May 25, 2005 at 05:01:38 PM EST
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Re: Criminalization vs. Proactive Reduction (none / 0)

You still didn't answer my question though.  Should women be forced into back alleyu abortions or should we keep it legal to protect the health of people that will do it anyway.

Although it is a crappy comparison, I always said the same thing about prostitution.  People are gonna do it regardless.  Isn't it better to keep the women protected and make sure they are clean, than to leave things on the street?  

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by yitbos96bb on Fri May 27, 2005 at 08:20:11 AM EST
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you weren't (none / 0)

talking about that with me... You're thinking of someone else.  You questioned (rightly) the findings of a paper to which I linked (incorrectly).  You asked me something like, "Where the hell do you see 43% on this paper."  to which I responded... "OH... Whoops... Wrong paper.  Here's the correct one."  

To answer your question...  I'm 100% pro-choice, or pro-anti-government-interference, or whatever the fuck Bowers et al. want us to say now...

so, the answer is "yes"... I would have never gotten into such an argument with you, as we're both 100% in agreement.

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by NCDem on Fri May 27, 2005 at 09:09:02 AM EST
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Do you own stock (none / 0)

"If people do not have the good sense to use any of those preventions then you ought not have sex."

This cracks me up. If people don't have the good sense to use modern contraceptive techniques, you expect them to be able to resist the fundamental biological imperative? That's really rich.

And, having failed to stifle the urge, you expect these totally-lacking-in-good-sense individuals to be on their best behavior for the months required to bring a baby to term, let alone the years of follow-up?

I don't think killing the infant is the answer, either, but neither to I think that criminalization solves anything. Do you?

Or do you own stock in a coathanger company?

Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Wed May 25, 2005 at 08:37:17 PM EST
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