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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (none / 0)

I believe in organized labor and unions to strike but not when these strikes could hurt the citizens.
by SensibleDemocrat on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:39:13 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (none / 0)

What does that even mean? And how does that account for a badly structured law?
by bruh21 on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:44:53 AM EST
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The Taylor Law is a terrible law (2.50 / 2)

That's a ridiculous comment.  All stikes hurt people.  That's the entire point. If a strike did not hurt someone, then the use of a strike as a bargining tactic would be nil.  What you're basically saying is that you support the right to strike as long as people don't strike.

Look, there is no way for the TWU to bring the MTA to the table.  The MTA doesn't have to give them a contract.  The MTA doesn't have to do dick.  They can sit back, play games with the union, and try to force them into accepting an offer that is going to break the union.  And if the union doesn't strike, that is exactly what is going to happen.  The union will break.

by crimsonc on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:52:46 AM EST
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It's impressive (3.00 / 1)

It's impressive to see a union able to bring this great city almost to a halt.  As much as it has inconvenienced me personally, I feel heartened to know that workers, organizing independently, still have this much power.

When I've seen interviews with transit workers, most of them are wholeheartedly behind the strike.  Others say, "I wish our leadership had stayed at the bargaining table a little longer."  But they also say, "We elected them to fight for us, and they're doing what they need to do -- and we support them."

This is what organized labor is all about: putting your trust in your fellow workers to fight for all of us.  Is it inconvenient for average New Yorkers?  Sure.  It's even more inconvenient for transit workers who are being docked 2 days' pay for each 1 day they're off the job.  

They are sacrificing... for the idea that things SHOULDN'T get gradually worse and worse for each new generation of workers.  Roger Toussaint said, "We will not give up our unborn."  That is a noble principle, and I applaud the TWU for standing up for it.

by Maximus on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:25:19 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a terrible law (1.00 / 1)

THere is such thing as timing.  A strike a couple of months later will still bring the city to a halt. You want to inconvenience people, not hold them hostage.
by Pravin on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 11:38:04 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a terrible law (none / 0)

"THere is such thing as timing.  A strike a couple of months later will still bring the city to a halt. You want to inconvenience people, not hold them hostage."

I agree completely!  The management should all be immediately replaced for giving the workers no choice but to strike!

-- Seeing the Forest
by davej on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:44:32 PM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a terrible law (1.00 / 1)

I know it was sarcasm, but I actually agree that MTA management needs to be pared down. despite my changing views on the appropriateness of the strike at this time, I have always maintained the MTA management should bear the brunt of the public ire.
by Pravin on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 03:37:09 PM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (1.00 / 1)

I believe in organized labor and unions to strike but not when these strikes could hurt the citizens.

What you really believe is that unions should not have the right to strike when their striikes could hurt the bottom line of their employers. The only citizens you are concerned about are shareholders and CEOs.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 07:12:51 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (1.00 / 1)

Come on. A lot of us are trying to find a way to come up with our opinions here by learning from other mydd members. You are making assumptions of what SensibleDemocrat thinks based on a very broad statement he made which is a little sloppy in the way it he conveys what he feels(I can identify with him because sometimes I wish I had an edit option when I read a post I wrote a few hours later and feel I could express my view better). Still, I see no indication he is siding with MTA management on that. When he says hurt, I think he means it in an extreme sense versus a mere  inconvenience. He probably means a strike which leaves some citizens with no options at all versus fewer options ( a rich stockbroker can hire a taxi or afford to take days off while some arthritic middle class person may find the next few days unbearable) should be avoided as much as possible. Now if you disagree with that, that's fine. No need to get personal with him. There is a lot of disinformation in the mainstream media about this strike. Smugness here won't help counter that.  
by Pravin on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:05:28 PM EST
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I'm calling Bullshit! (1.00 / 1)

Sensible liberal is a bonehead troll and I can't believe you're too ignorant to see that. It's also a good idea not to butt in to other people's fights. If Sensible liberal has a bone to pick with me, then Sensible liberal is perfectly within his or her right to pick away.

You, on the other hand, can go fuck yourself. How's that for smugness?

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:32:25 PM EST
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Rude and Self Righteous (none / 0)

I am really sick of self righteous people like Gary Boatright who don't live in NYC speaking out like experts on the city and the strike.  

As an NYC resident, I support the strike but people need to be realistic about who is being impacted by it - the working class.  Transit strikes are by their very nature designed to inflict pain on the middle class since they depend on it.  The rich are inconvenienced, the working class hurt severly and some will not be able to pay their bills b/c of it.  

Scott Shields gets it and acknowledges it.  Why don't you?

by John Mills on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:32:02 PM EST
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One can say you were butting in (1.00 / 1)

I see. you can be judgemental about everyone else, but you can't stand it when someone tells you that you are less than a God. I have a right to comment on your treatment of a fellow mydder because you have become a regular problem on these boards. Unlike you, I have been able to separate your good posts from your inane ones. I have even posted some good comments on your diaries despite your attacks on me and other mydders.  You seem to be a bitter man. You are almost as bad as the right wingers who are so sure of their place in the world and the righteousness of their opinions.

You are the idiot (I dont mind returning the namecalling even if I won't initiate it in most cases) who made a mischaracterized what SensibleDemocrat was saying. And you just strike back like a rightwinger when someone points that out.

by Pravin on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 03:43:12 PM EST
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Who is the real TROLL? (none / 0)

Just because you happen to put up better posts than some on topics like Dean and the war doesn't mean you are not a sorry excuse for a human being. I don't care about my ratings that much as it's only a blog rating and not some GPA at a college. If I ever get a 1, I take it in the spirit of free expression and don't honestly get offended. But when I checked my comments history today, I noticed a string of 1s. It didn't make sense as my rated responses were not on the same issue. I knew right away it had to be you Gary and when I checked your rating, I noticed that you blindly went and just indiscrimnately troll rated me on the last few posts regardless of content and you did all this in one setting because I pissed you off. You did the same thing for another MyDDer and I was curious to see if he was some DLC apologist. But no, he was actually supporting Dean in a post and you troll rated that too.

By rating and responding to people based on personal spite on several occasions, you are being more of a troll than any right winger who comes by here. Instead of the discussion being given the paramount importance, you seem to put a big deal of effort into extending personal conflicts - the hallmark of a troll. I never interrupt your discussions with my personal rants because if I see something I like in your diaries, then I will contribute to the diary in a positive way or keep quiet. What a sorry excuse for a human being you are. I cringe when I think that an idiot like you is on our side.  It's time you got a life, or maybe even a job(considering you spend more time than a few of us combined on these blogs, I can't see how you can put an honest day's work in real life).

by Pravin on Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 10:28:40 AM EST
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