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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (3.00 / 3)

"Some are old and could die from the cold..."  

Isn't that kind of hyperbole a bit over the top?  Transit workers shouldn't be able to join together and demand better pay and conditions because, uh, someone might die.  Yeah, that's the ticket.

Here's why I support the transit workers:  because I want a raise too.  And decent health care.  And I'd like to retire some day with something more than the President's proposed social security deforms.

I'm with the workers because I am a worker.

by Steve Hill on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:11:40 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (3.00 / 3)

Let me add to this.  I'm with the workers because:

  • Productivity has skyrocketed over the last twenty years, while workers have been squeezed from every angle
  • I saw an article in which I learned that a very large percentage of workers forgo their earned vacation time because they don't want to give management a reason to fire them
  • The wealthiest amonst us are capital investors and their gaines have been huge - but as I said earlier - the workers making their investments pay off have been screwed over and over again
  • I've worked at the highest levels of corporate america - I've seen executives treated like royalty - from the limos that pick them up in the morning, to the food that is catered to their offices, to the 5 star accomodations they use when traveling, to the elite events they attend in their cororate sky-boxes...  and I've seen workers in the same building without health insurance

The only thing I really don't understand is why the other NYC unions aren't showing some solidarity.  NYC could be a catalyst if the rest of the organized workers joined the strike - even in symbolic ways.  The PD could refuse overtime.  Doormen could show up 1/2 an hour late.  Hotel workers could take a sick day.  

What this country needs (amongst so much else) is a real discussion about the decline of the worker.  All this shit about offshoring jobs pales in comparison to what we have done to the workers that get up in the morning every day, do a solid days work, and get chumped by management over and over again through the years.  Workers have become conditioned to being fucked - witness the vacation story referenced above (you do the search - it's out there)...

Anyway.  Count me as one more NYer that supports the strike.

by Mike Stark on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:26:16 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (none / 0)

When TWU announced the strike, the heads of the teachers' union, the building maintenance union, and the police union were all there in solidarity. Pat Lynch of the police union said that the police officers "while on the other side of the barriers now are with you in their hearts." It would be nice if the media did a better job of reporting the fact that the teachers and cops support the transit workers.
by Scott Shields on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:38:08 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (none / 0)

unlikely to happen- they have a narrative that they are going with and facts aren't crucial to it
by bruh21 on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:46:04 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (3.00 / 1)

Count me as one more NYer that supports the strike.

And me.

I had to walk about a mile total and take the East River water taxi and the PATH train today.  But the TWU are doing what they have to do.

What angers me are people who say, "I don't even have a pension.  Why should the transit workers get one at age 55?"

That is the mentality of sheep -- of servants who have been conditioned to love being kicked around, and to pull down any one who tries to demand better.  It's a slave mentality, frankly.

No, most of us don't have pensions.  My company (a large specialty publishing and information firm) stopped giving its workers pensions a few years before I started there.  So because corporate (and government) America is shafting many of its workers, all the others should get the shaft too?

Being a transit worker can involve dangerous, filthy, deafening conditions, hostile customers, and long and grueling hours.  Retiring at 55 is not unreasonable.

Oh, and the MTA would have the cash to meet its pension obligations if Pataki and co. in Albany hadn't been raiding the budget for the last several years.

by Maximus on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:18:01 AM EST
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Re: The Taylor Law is a good law (none / 0)

What angers me are people who say, "I don't even have a pension.  Why should the transit workers get one at age 55?"

That is the mentality of sheep -- of servants who have been conditioned to love being kicked around, and to pull down any one who tries to demand better.  It's a slave mentality, frankly.

Wow, this really cuts to the point. Essentially, they're saying my job sucks, so everyone else's should suck, too. It's been stunning to hear such anti-union garbage from supposed progresives.

by Scott Shields on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:28:25 AM EST
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Join a union! (none / 0)

What angers me are people who say, "I don't even have a pension.  Why should the transit workers get one at age 55?"

As Dave points out at Seeing the Forest, these people should join a union:

If that hasn't dawned on you yet then maybe you aren't smart enough to make a better living.

by Gary Boatwright on Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 06:19:22 AM EST
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I think the Unions in this country are responsible for building the middle class.

If you're so concerned about old people that could freeze, pressure the mta not the unions.  They live 10 yrs less than the typical person because their jobs are so difficult. All these people who claim to care about the poor, don't care at all that the working class and poor can't afford to live in New York City anymore.  Why do you think so many port authority workers were living in New Jersey on 9/11. This is a self serving complaint. "OH, my underpaid maid can't afford a cab to scrub my toilet!"

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by Dameocrat on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 08:29:23 AM EST
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Hey,
 other unions did show support. They were overwhelmingly in support of the strike and were at all the rallies leading up to it: PSC, SEIU,and others were very visibly out in support on the picket lines, which all of our unions attended. Unfortunately, because the strike was a surprise to most of us, most unions - including the TWU - were not ready with an on-the-ground 'educate the public" solidarity campaign.
 
by redbecca on Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 09:16:01 AM EST
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Hyperbole? (3.00 / 1)

You gotta be kidding me. Are you saying the poor won't suffer? They got no options. I got no sympathy for the stockbrokers who take the subway from their pad in Manhattan. But, what about the old lady who can't walk in the cold and who needs her job for day to day sustenance?  For some homeless, a ride in the subway is their only source for heat. You think all the shelters will accommodate the sudden rush now? The MTA strikers are accountable to NYers and no one else. If the vast majority of poor and middle class NYers are indeed OK with this strike, then what I say really has no bearing on this strike.

I really see no reason why they couldn't do a flash one day strike to give the NYers a taste of what's to come and then as a goodwill gesture agree to work until the weather gets bearable or enought time for the general populace to think of alternatives and then go for an indefinite strike if negotiations don't get better.  I think Renee in Ohio's diary makes a good point on the fat in the MTA management. What I object to is the timing of this strike. They will  still have leverage because a strike at any time will inconvenience the city. Just don't go over the top by insisting on doing it now, right during the middle of the winter. MTA management may suck, but the drivers still serve the public on its own dime and the MTA employees do get slack in their work performance. It's not like they are held to private corporation standards. So they should be a little flexible with the timing.

I worked at UPS when they had that major strike around 1997. Even after the deadline  expired, the unions gave extensions to find a way to keep working while negotiating.

FWIW, I do fault the MTA management primarily for this crisis. I do find the NY law over the top. You gotta let the employees strike, otherwise you give them no leverage at all.  I don't see why MTA management is not running a barebones skeletal crew to transport the really desperate passengers who are willing to bear the long wait lines for a train. UPS management did that when the drivers went on strike.

by Pravin on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 11:36:08 AM EST
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Re: Hyperbole? (none / 0)

"Are you saying the poor won't suffer? They got no options."

Yes, and they also need the lower prices that Wal-Mart offers.

-- Seeing the Forest
by davej on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:42:45 PM EST
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Cute but not quite (1.00 / 1)

There is a big difference between taking the subway and walking for miles in the cold versus shopping at Walmart versus KMart or even Target.
by Pravin on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 04:15:07 PM EST
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I agree with this (none / 0)

And it looks like this turned into a quickie flash strike, which is good.  The strike is over (for now).

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reu ters.com:20051222:MTFH43155_2005-12-22_16-38-52_N22322324:1

by Geotpf on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 12:59:56 PM EST
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Beware of the Naked Man (none / 0)

Old lady lost in the city
In the middle of a cold, cold night
It was fourteen below and the wind start to blow
There wasn't a boy scout in sight

Pull down the shades 'cause he's comin'
Turn out the lights, 'cause he's here
Running hard down the street
Through the snow and the sleet
On the coldest night of the year.

Beware, beware, beware, of the Naked Man.

Old Lady lean against a lamppost
Starin' down at the ground on which she stands
She look up and scream
For in the lamplight's beam
There stood the Naked Man...

He faked to the left and faked to the right.
And he snatched the purse from her hand.
"Someone stop me," he cried,
As he faded from sight,
"Won't nobody help a naked man?  Won't nobody help a naked man?"

I dunno, it just seemed appropriate.  Thanks, Randy.

by edsdet on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 05:39:31 PM EST
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