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Re: Let me ask this... (3.00 / 1)

First, it's too expensive; you've gotta have a lotta loot to compete.

Second, those are almost too diverse.  We want states that aren't all white, but we need to make sure we pick a nominee that appeals to whites as well; I'd rather have a state whose racial background matches that of the nation, rather than one that's too white (NH/IA) or not white enough (CA/TX); let's just pick one that matches the nation; anyone know which states qualify there?.

by LaX WI on Sat Oct 01, 2005 at 11:17:45 PM EST
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Re: Let me ask this... (none / 0)

A good example of that might be Michigan, or Illinois, or New Jersey, or North Carolina. But these are all flawed. All have higher black percentages than the nation at large, and lower Latino percentages. So, of the big states Florida might actually be the best match.
by raginillinoian on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 02:49:51 AM EST
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Re: Let me ask this... (3.00 / 1)

FL might be good, if it wasn't so damn big and costly.  Also we then run into problems with old people vs young people demographics.  I don't think we should ignore all other demographics for the sake of looking at race; let's look at the whole picture: age, education, union percentage, rural-urban ratio, political swingyness, and yes, race, in our calculation.  Making it solely based on race ignores all the other complexities in determining how people will vote.
by LaX WI on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:35:46 PM EST
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Why do we have to have a candidate... (none / 0)

that appeals to whites?
no we don't.
It's been shown that white males break overwhelmingly for Republicans, and that isn't going to change until we start addressing class issues, which transcend race.

There will never be a state that is "perfect", and quite frankly, considering how big of a role California plays in the US, we should at least get something of an earlier say.

also please don't ever use the term "not white enough", again, that kind of bothers me.

-C.

by neutron on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:23:28 PM EST
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Re: Why do we have to have a candidate... (none / 0)

I don't think even I am white enough.
by turnerbroadcasting on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 05:08:58 PM EST
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Re: Why do we have to have a candidate... (3.00 / 1)

It wasn't me intent to offend with "not white enough;" merely to use a written shorthand for "has a lower than average percentage of whites" just as I used "too white" to indicate "has a higher than average percentage of whites."  I don't think it should bother you that we should find a balance, rather than our current group of states that underrepresent minorities or another group that would underrepresent whites.

Also, we do have to appeal to whites.  Even if every non-white American voted for the Dem, they would lose if that's all that voted for them.  Maybe not further down the road, but right now, that's the case.  What's more, turnout in the General among whites is higher than many minority groups, so I don't think that we should say we can win without anyone just yet.

What's more, we already win in CA.  There's no question that the Dem nominee will carry that state.  So why not give states that will determine the outcome of the election a choice of who they would back.  MI, PA, FL, OH- all are important swing states, just like WI.  And even NH and IA are pretty swingy, as they were two of the three states that changed hands this election.  I don't think we should hold our most important primary in the most liberal states, just as I don't think the GOP should hold their's in the most conservative; it would lead to nominees that the swing states with middle America would be displeased with.

by LaX WI on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:32:35 PM EST
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