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Simon Rosenberg: Would make the face of the Democratic party a New York Jew.

What kind of freeper bullshit is that? Fuck your PC antagonism and anything else you have to say. I'll wait for credible analysis from somebody who has half a brain.

by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 06:13:43 PM EST

Whoa. (none / 0)

That comment gave me pause, too, but I'm giving the author the benefit of the doubt and assuming that the phrase was shorthand for saying his image will play into a bigoted stereotype of Democrats held by an unfortunately broad swathe of anti-semitic Americans. Author, can I get a witness that that's what you meant?

It's further debatable whether or not consideration of other people's ethnic prejudices have any legitimate role whatsoever to play in making a selection (I suppose this would come down to a contest between principle and pragmatism), but even if the answer is no, the question presupposes acknowledging the fact of the prejudice in the first place. I'm presuming that the author doesn't share that prejudice, but acknowledges that it exists (in which case it would have been worth a few more words to clear that up).

If the author disclaims the poor choice of words, then it's a pretty quality diary. I'm hoping that disclaimer will be made, and made promptly so we can discuss the rest of the observations.

by Woodhouse on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 06:27:51 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (3.00 / 1)

Thanks for your note -- I stand by my choice of words, which meant exactly what I said, and exactly what you understood:  With the party where it is today, needing to reach out to the south and midwest, a New York Jew has inherent handicaps as a spokesman.  A San Francisco gay would have limits too.

I'm not trying to reinforce this sorry state of affairs (let's face it, not that many people read this blog, and we are all pretty like-minded) -- but the country is the way it is and we need to deal with that.

by emptypockets on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 06:39:11 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (2.00 / 1)

Rosenberg isn't even Jewish, dumbass.
by DemDog on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 06:44:38 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (2.50 / 2)

Howard Dean isn't really far-left either.  You're missing the point I wanted to make.

A guy from New York with the last name Rosenberg, on TV in middle America, talking about the Mets and laughing self-deprecatingly, is the face of a New York Jew.  

While these assaults on my character are interesting, does anyone have anything substantive to say about how these guys would do be perceived on the Sunday morning shows or the evening news?  Because that's what I was writing about.

by emptypockets on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 06:50:43 PM EST
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mmm....consumme (none / 0)


Grilled Oyster and Corn Consumme
11 shucked oysters
5 oz. corn
9 tbsp. salt
2 cups pepper
2 apples
4 oz. mashed pork
Stir the corn, pork, and pepper. Mix the apples and salt. Mix the apples, oysters, and salt thoroughly. Fry the pork.
Serve with ice water.
Serves 7.

by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 06:53:10 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (none / 0)

Rosenberg isn't even Jewish, dumbass

Uh. Are you serious? He seemed pretty Jewsish to me, and how many non-Jews are named Rosenberg?

I don't really want to get too much into the conversation, but I think that this google explanation of the search term "jew" says it best:

If you use Google to search for "Judaism," "Jewish" or "Jewish people," the results are informative and relevant. So why is a search for "Jew" different? One reason is that the word "Jew" is often used in an anti-Semitic context. Jewish organizations are more likely to use the word "Jewish" when talking about members of their faith. The word has become somewhat charged linguistically, as noted on websites devoted to Jewish topics such as these:
http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~mendele/vol01/vol01.174
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/jonah081500.asp


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 01:27:39 AM EST
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Re: Whoa. (none / 0)

Troll rate me all you want to emptypockets. Around here we operate under the theory of positive integers. A troll rating from a troll translates into a postive integer. You're new here, so feel free to come back when you learn some manners. Take the quiz.
by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 07:01:25 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (none / 0)

Jolly,

I understand you disagreed with what I wrote.  But I've been on the site about a year now (it's true I just registered last month, but I read it daily before I began posting) and I was expressing an honest opinion that I'm happy - actually, very interested - to debate with you.

I troll-rated your posts hoping someone else would 0-rate them and help me to remove them from my diary.  I spent about an hour writing it, and you seem to be trying to block any dicussion.  If you disagree with me, please talk to me or move on -- but recognize I am open to changing my mind and just want to be heard.

empty.

by emptypockets on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 07:07:25 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (none / 0)

Feel free to take out the offensive, snide and inappropriate ethnic slurs and repost. You won't get a whole lot of sympathy around here being defensive in your use of ethnic slurs, regardless of your poorly argued rationalization.
by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 07:15:49 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (none / 0)

Jew isn't an ethnic slur.  As I've said below (and above, actually), I am a New York Jew and I have no problem with that (if anything I'm a little offended you think it's an insult!).  I appreciate you think I am an idiot for not getting it, but can you help me understand why it is offensive to you?  

I am still in shock that like-minded people (myDD readers) can have such polar opposite views.

by emptypockets on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 07:20:01 PM EST
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Re: Whoa. (none / 0)

Jew is used as a racial slur, try Jew in google
Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 12:29:33 AM EST
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As a New York Jew myself, (2.00 / 1)

I am proud to say I have exactly half a brain.

Look, the Republican party has demonized Democrats as either (a) Northeastern intellectual Jews who went to Harvard and eat wine and cheese, and (b) pinko commie hippies who live in California and sleep in sex orgies.  That is the reality of what's out there.  I am not making it up.  And I am not really advancing the idea by writing it down on a blog somewhere either.

Image is superficial but it is also everything.

Simon Rosenberg is a sincere guy and the ads he developed with NDN were the best anyone made last year.  But if you put Simon Rosenberg as the party's public face and say, now we're going to go on talk shows and appeal to blue-collar workers in Oklahoma, good luck.  

Don't know what parts of the country you're used to, but neither Jews nor New Yorkers are well-loved in big chunks of it.

by emptypockets on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 06:35:32 PM EST
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