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Re: Nader "owning" Dean... (none / 0)

Now, I openly admit my pro-Dean bias. With that out of the way, MyDD-ers, please don't take my word for it, but listen for yourself...

but the statement that Nader "owned" Dean in their debate is ludicrous.

I'm speechless. Nader came off as washed-up, begging anyone to listen to his view, and Dean pointed out many, many times how much he was hurting the progressive movement.

For that matter, I don't think that there was another person (aside from Kerry's family, and Max Cleland) that campaigned more and harder for John Kerry than Howard Dean.

by nickDFT on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 12:32:57 PM EST
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Re: Nader "owning" Dean... (none / 0)

I was a Kerry supporter since 2002 and so when Dean agreed to debate Nader on NPR in order to try and convince his supporters to make their votes count, of course I was rooting for Dean.

But when I listened to the debate, Nader had an immediate solid answer for every issue thrown at him. Unlike dems and reps, he wouldn't use qualifiers or quantify issues -- he said it like he thought, viciously attacking corporate interests, the military industrial complex, Bush's absolute failure, and called for the immediate withdrawal of US troops. There were no pauses or hesitancy in his answers. Maybe that's because he never had a realistic chance and no big financiers he had to worry about offending, but even if I didn't agree on everything I had to respect his answers.

Dean's best lines came when he pointed out that Nader was partially funded by republican interest groups which was true and Nader was unapologetic for. He also had great views on reforming the election system, but in agreement with Nader. The problem was that he did use qualifiers and a little waffling in answering questions regarding his past quotes on Kerry, though understandable. He also came off as almost begging or groveling for Nader to drop out of the race.

Most consensus on both sides, lib and con in the media was that Nader beat Dean. Of course Dean supporters will never see that to be so. I was rooting for Dean but even I thought he was beat.

http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
by Vote Hillary 2008 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:12:17 AM EST
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Re: Nader "owning" Dean... (none / 0)

>> Most consensus on both sides, lib and con in
>> the media was that Nader beat Dean.

I don't remember it that way. Got some links to back up your claim?

My recollection was that Dean beat Nader and at the very least more than held his own. It was a refreshing debate and another example of why Dean is unafraid to take on all comers.

Just another reason why he'd be a great Chair.

by Fiat Lux on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:20:36 AM EST
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