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nobody else will do (none / 0)

This is not the rhetoric one wants to use to be taken seriously. It sounds petulant and, frankly, insulting. It implies that whomever is using this sort of language; that is, what precisely is meant by terms like "bloggers" and "what is being said on the net" and why does this matter?

I'm always very skeptical of rhetoric that follows the line of "those guys in power" have to understand what "we, out here" want.

And finally, why are you so upset that Reid and Pelosi want to see more resources devoted to the Senate and House wings of the party? Where do you think it should be going instead?

What precisely are our goals here? If its to win elections, then lets focus on what it is that each of the candidates is proposing about how we do that. If its to show how "we" on the "net" have had enough of "DC" then, well, I'm not sure what that means or why anyone other than those who like to see themselves as angry, marginalized purists who won't put up with compromise from some ill-defined "core beliefs".

Look, I'm no "insider" and have no brief for anyone. I am hoping, though, to see a Democratic Party that can speak to people were I live -- socially conservative, populist minded, working-class, distrustful of republicans but wondering if the Democratic party is really anything other than the caricature of itself. If Tim Roemer can do that, what do I care what he's said in the past about social security or abortion? He's not going to be making policy as DNC chair; he's going to be raising money, organizing, speaking.

Out here in "red state" America, we're going to be organizing hard to try to win some races in 2006 -- and be in a better position for 2008. To do that, we need to stop losing single-issue voters who misunderstand what the democrat party stands for.

If Howard Dean can reach these folks, great; but I've seen no evidence whatsover that people see him as anything other than an east-coast elitist son of privilege who's greatest priorities are gay marriage and acting silly on tv. I know Dean is much more than this, thats why I worked for, dontaed to and supported his campaign in the primaries.

But I still don't see how he brings us any closer to being able to catch up to the republicans in fund-raising, organization or ability to frame issues.

by desmoulins on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 06:04:06 PM EST

Re: nobody else will do (none / 0)

I can't argue with your gripes about the cliche language, that stuff happens; but I do see how Dean gets us closer to the Republicans in fund-raising, organization, and the ability to frame issues, I experienced it firsthand, Iowa --which was always a clusterfuck waiting to happen from our excluded vantage point in Burlington anyway-- not withstanding.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 08:55:36 PM EST
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well, look (none / 0)

I wouldn't want to question your judgement since you were, as you point out, there. But I can't get myself past all those stories I read, including ones written by campaign folks like Matt Gross or Trippi's own comments, about how disorganized the campaign was, how no one knew how much money was in the bank, how no one knew who was on paid vs. unpaid staff, and how Dean himself kept muffing or failing to deliver key lines.

My sense is that all the energy and creativity of the Dean campaign is precisely what the Democratic Party needs, but we don't have the luxury of repaying Dean for being in the right place at the right time last fall. We need to take that energy, that creativity and some of those methods and graft it onto a winning message.

Thats different from a message that moves me personally, as Dean did.

We need someone, like Clinton, who can build that message into something that speaks far beyond the Democratic "base."

As I said before, I'd be delighted if I felt Dean was the guy who could do that, but I don't know anyone active in politics out here (in NV) who really ever believed Dean's personality or positions could win this state.

by desmoulins on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:38:48 PM EST
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