The Obama Doctrine - One Country Among Many

For an internationalist like myself, Barack Obama is certainly a welcomed breath of fresh air. His resetting of US foreign policy from that Bush standard of American exceptionalism and even the Clinton standard of an American-led globalization that to many seemed more like Americanization than globalization is a welcomed departure and perhaps suggests an America that can learn from its mistakes and more importantly from others. For too long, American foreign policy has been predicated on a notion that only the United States has it right and that the rest of the world would do well to replicate the American way of life.

At a news conference ending the three-day Summit of the Americas on Sunday in Port-of-Spain, a reporter asked the President about an emerging "Obama Doctrine."

The President responded that first, he remains intent on telling the world that the United States is a powerful and wealthy nation that realizes it is just one country among many. Obama said he believes that other countries have "good ideas" and interests that cannot be ignored. This may send the American right into an apoplectic fit but it casts a glow of warmth and good feelings from the rest of the world towards the United States. The United States is owning up to its excesses and mistakes. In short, it is demonstrating a maturity and indeed a confidence not ever before demonstrated by American foreign policy.

Second, while the United States best represents itself by living up to its universal values and ideas, the President said the United States must also respect the variety of cultures and perspectives that guide both American foes and friends.

"I firmly believe that if we're willing to break free from the arguments and ideologies of an earlier era and continue to act, as we have at this summit, with a sense of mutual responsibility and mutual respect and mutual interest, then each of our nations can come out of this challenging period stronger and more prosperous, and we can advance opportunity, equality, and security across the Americas," the President said.

The Obama Doctrine, it is what the world wants. And I'll note that senior adviser David Axelrod describes the President's tactics this way, "You plant, you cultivate, you harvest. Over time, the seeds that were planted here are going to be very, very valuable."

I find that remarkable for just yesterday  Argentina's La Nación opined that the Summit was "the seed of a new relationship" between Latin America and the United States. After years of bitter fruit, the harvest for succeeding generations promises to be very sweet indeed.

Update [2009-4-20 14:1:49 by Charles Lemos]: Clive Crook of the Financial Times also finds that there is an emerging Obama Doctrine.

Can one begin to talk of an “Obama doctrine”? If style and temperament can constitute a doctrine, the answer is yes. The intellectual traits that Mr Obama says he most prizes in himself and those around him are pragmatism and perseverance. Many would say that Mr Bush also had perseverance, carried to the point of dull-witted obstinacy, but nobody ever accused him of pragmatism. Mr Obama’s willingness to start anew, ask what works, offer respect to governments that crave it (even if they may not deserve it) and patiently seek progress where he may is refreshing. One aspect of this pragmatism is the president’s desire to build alliances and cool old enmities, and work towards US aims through co-operation rather than confrontation. The trouble is, most US presidents – including Mr Obama’s predecessor – felt the same way until the world beat it out of them. Foreign policy doctrine is put to the test only when co-operation in pursuit of mutual interests fails to achieve results, and the hard choices that Mr Obama insists he is willing to make actually present themselves. Though it is much too soon to write off Mr Obama’s friendly overtures, you could hardly describe them so far as a notable success.

Agreed. I am not arguing that President has necessarily met with success. In some cases, his approach has not met with any tangible results. For example on Afghanistan, the President asked NATO for more help in that fight and came away with a paltry commitment of 5,000 troops of which 3,000 are only through August of this year. Hardly a success. But it is too early to expect results much less gauge them. Rome wasn't built in a day nor did its empire crumble overnight. Imperial America was an enterprise of centuries. It will take time for the United States and the world to adjust to the new realm of thought, even if it has long been reality, that the United States is just one country among many.

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We DO stand up for our ideals when we recogonize and embrace other cultures.

Our strength WAS as the melting pot, how many of us are 3 or 4th generation?

We are a country of new, especially for us that have actually been to the old world.

My daughter, when we took her to Italy, to Ireland to see her ancestors homelands really grew to appreciate just how new our country is compared to where her great grand-parents lived.

We are STILL an experiment in progress, and I keep having to keep telling myself, Reaganism may only have lasted 40 years, and that is a heart-beat in the life of most nations.

I live in the youngest demographic area in Seattle, and maybe I am being an old fool, but I have a feeling the millenials are just looking at this differently, they are not scarred by the cold war, Vietnam is something in the history books for them.

So, in spite of the worst economy in 40 years, I am somewhat optimistic.

And, Barack Obama and his team are a big part of that optimism. (now, can he just FIRE Larry Summers please??????)

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 10:43AM | 0 recs
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Yes we should follow the rest of the world. They have done quite well...lets see they ignored the murder and slaughter of millions by Nazi Germany.....they ignore the plight of pverty stricken nations expecting the US to support everyone. They stand by and continually blame Israel for the plight of the middle east, calling the Israelis murderers and racists....they allow leaglized drugs and support the murder of the unborn....we have some much to learn from Europe and the rest of the world....

by adb67 2009-04-20 10:47AM | 0 recs
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You are going to get banned if you comment on any of my threads again. I suggest that you go to the post office and apply for a passport and actually go see the world. And while you're travelling take along two books: The Tragedy of American Diplomacy by William Appleman Williams and A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. Go be enlighten!

Do not comment on my threads.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 10:55AM | 0 recs
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SO what you fear than is honest debate and freedom of speech. You dont like or agree with my opinion so you deal with it by banning my right of speech? Wow thats very enlightened of you...

by adb67 2009-04-20 11:15AM | 0 recs
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Yours isn't opinion as much as polemics. You're not interested in a debate nor are you armed with facts. Your views on drug legalization are laughable for across the political spectrum, the consensus is that prohibition has failed. Even the free-market The Economist has reached the conclusion that legalization is the "least bad" option as they put it.

I've have dealt with the drug trade all my life. It is an issue I know cold. Prohibition has failed. It is time for a change in policy. Read up on heroin use in the UK. That alone will convince you that treating addiction as a medical problem and not a criminal one is common sense.

The debate over heroin has turned lively in Scotland this week, thanks to Edinburgh "drug czar" Tom Wood, who has urged the Scottish Executive to consider prescribing heroin to addicts through the National Health Service (NHS). Wood, a former deputy chief constable for Lothian and Borders Police and current chairman of the Edinburgh Drugs and Alcohol Action Team, said prescription heroin should be explored as an alternative to methadone.

In remarks reported by the Scotsman, Wood said favorable findings from a Swiss prescription heroin trial suggested it could benefit addicts who continued using even after being prescribed methadone. "We should look at each case on its merits," Wood said. "In Switzerland they have used heroin itself in a controlled environment. I'm not saying I support that, but it is an option we should look at. I'm not a medic and I can't give a medical opinion, but prescribing heroin may be the best thing for some people. It seems to have worked in other parts of the world."

That was in 2006. The Swiss in December 2008 thought their pilot programme was so successful that they expanded it natiowide by a margin of 68% to 32%.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 11:33AM | 0 recs
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Honest debate fine. Spouting bs and calling it an honest debate not  so much.

So let's go down the list:
1) "lets see they ignored the murder and slaughter of millions by Nazi Germany" Really? Let's see, since people were being shipped off to the camps from every country in Europe that Nazi Germany occupied not sure how you call this ignoring. And since Germany ruled almost all of Europe at the time, what should Europe have done? Voted them out of office?

2) Again, Really? Care to offer up some supporting facts. While the US maybe the largest donor nation it is not alone. FYI, EU in December '08 1 billion in food aid to third world countries.

3) Israel: Israel is it's own worst enemy they don't need Europe's help. And maybe if we smacked them up the side of the head a bit more instead of hugging them and treating them like a spoiled child peace might just get a little easier to attain.

4) Legalized drugs: Most specifically Marijuana. In most cases the loosening of drug laws has not been a bad thing and hasn't brought societies to a halt. This is not to say mistakes haven't been made along the way - Switzerland's "Needle Park" comes to mind.

5) Right to Choose: Yikes! you do know you are on a Democratic site that supports the right to choose.

by jsfox 2009-04-20 11:41AM | 0 recs
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To my understanding, the death camps really didn't come to light for most people until way after D-Day and the Allies began taking back Europe.   Of course, I'm sure the locals knew and ignored, but the knowledge of the camps came much later.   That doesn't make him right of course, if anything it further disproves his BS.

by 30000Fine 2009-04-20 01:29PM | 0 recs
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Thanks for the follow-up

by jsfox 2009-04-20 01:40PM | 0 recs
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Privately owned servers.   A conservative should realize that free speech doesn't apply to privately owned land or servers or email.  It was you people who pretty much made it that way.

by 30000Fine 2009-04-20 01:25PM | 0 recs
A simple question for you AD...

Have you travelled the world much?

Every actually BEEN to those countries, met their citizens?

Ever been to China?  To Germany?

Because, it's not about Mao or Hitler.

Just like we are not about Bush.

No one is claiming they are some kind of Utopia, but having travelled myself, it's very much an eye-opening experience. it isn't what we were always told in school or see on TV.

For example, I cruised the Mediterranean this last winter, and one stop on the tour was Turkey.

Now, I thought, well OK, don't really care about that, I was excited about Greece and Egypt more.

Except, the day in Turkey was the best stop of the tour. my GF and I talk about going back all the time, it was an revelatory experience for me.

We were in Mamaris, and it was simply one of the most beautiful places I have ever been.

The people were fabulous, just incredible, and talk about smart and well informed!  

My whole view of Turkey changed in one day.

And, really, except for fighting to get on the buses with the italians, Americans are STILL liked around the world (especially if you tell em you were for Obama!)

Have the Turkish Government been the greatest in history? Did the American Goverment basically commit Genocide on the Native Americans.

Whose hands are clean, let he is without sin throw that first stone.

You can slice this anyway you want?

But, the CULTURES are not neccesarily the government and the people surely are not the government.

I love America, this is my home.

But, you lose a lot if you think we are the only country that has ever had a good idea.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: A simple question for you AD...

I didnt slam the peoples of outher countries, I am critical of their leadership. The leadership of Iran doesnt reflect the nature of its people. The people of Iran are hard working, intelligent people with a rich history and culture.

As you mentioned, the same is true of Turkey. I have traveled my friend, so I know that other peoples of the world have much to offer....its their leadership that has historically been devoid of decency and good will towards the world or their own people.

by adb67 2009-04-20 11:18AM | 0 recs
Then surely you think the face of Obama

Not outwardly dissing their country, but willing to talk to the leaders is BETTER then Bush's cowboy take on the whole world stance?

And, talking about Iran is a really interesting place to start.

You know of the history of our country and the modern state of Iran? east/041600iran-cia-index.html

Come on, we are at least PARTIALLY responsable for the mess over there, we basically were culable for fommenting the populace to turn fundementalist with our shennagins in Iran?

Again, you have to look at a historical perpspective, see how we got here, THEN go forward.

As I said, THE US hands are not clean, heck, there is plenty of reasons for the Iranians to hate our guts....

But, you are also correct, if we CAN have a potential ally long term in the region, it IS Iran.

Heck, Bush's buddies, the Saudis are really our worst enemies...

Who funded Al Queda?

it surely wasn't Iran.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Then surely you think the face of Obama

Yes I am aware of the history of American relations and intervention with Iran. Our hands certainly are not clean. My point is, as long as the President and leadership approach with both the carrot and the stick and are no naive in who these people are and what their intentions may be (Iranian leadership that is), than I believe we can negotiate and deal with them. Our eyes must be wide open.

As for the Saudis I have little use for them. They are corrupt and always have been. But lets not sit here and say that somehow past President including Clinton did not have a much to cozy relationship with them.

My issue with the Israel is how many seem to blame them for the predicament of the Palestinians. Arafat had a chance at peace and instead chose War. Hamas and Hezbollah use the Palestinians as pawns as does Iran, Syria, Lebanon and so forth. If those countries were truly concerned, why would they not provide economic support to the Palestinians, why woudl they not thrown down the gauntlet to Hamaz and Hezbollak. You think if the Iranians and Syrians cut off funding to them, they could survive? No...

I would say if Iranian leadership would stop funding them , recognize Israel, we could very possibly find a road to peace in the middle east and better relations between our two countries.
As for the people in Iran, they want relations with us and more importantly freedoms within their own country....

by adb67 2009-04-20 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Then surely you think the face of Obama

See now you're not just spouting and running. Make an argument and don't launch a diatribe. Classical Liberal would be one to emulate in that light. I rarely agree with him but he argues his case. This of course will require an effort on your part.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Then surely you think the face of Obama

Exactly what was I spouting? Were not my statements about hamas and hezbolla correct? Is it not true that Iran and Syria fund them? Is it also true that if funding ceased, they would cease and perhaps the Palestinians would be able to negotiate peace?

by adb67 2009-04-20 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Then surely you think the face of Obama

He was saying the post he responded too is how you should be posting on here... not the RW talking points you posted earlier.

by 30000Fine 2009-04-20 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Then surely you think the face of Obama

right I see....a right way to mean only what you agree with...

by adb67 2009-04-20 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: A simple question for you AD...

My issue is when I have to hear Americans slaming their own country as some sort of racist, murderous place. A place where injustice rules and where the white upper class is always holding down those it sees beneath them. My grandparents came to this country and worked their tails off to make a life here, which they did. So did my parents and so do I. I follow the rules and laws of this country, I vote in each and every election, I do public service and give back to my community. So when I hear others say (not you, as you have never done so), that particularly as a white american male I am somehow wrong in my pride and love for my country and belief in its greatness, I am offended. Right now, I seem to hear alot of that coming from folks on the left. Its as wrong as those on the right who question ones patriotism for being critical of government policies......

by adb67 2009-04-20 11:23AM | 0 recs
Oh excuse us

for pointing out our flaws in an effort to make our country a better place.

We don't mimick the Republican way of doing this...stand around, wave a flag, and act like everything is perfect...that's not wrong, that's ignorant.

Why don't you just say what you really mean..."You guys hate America"

by DTOzone 2009-04-20 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh excuse us

You mean like you say republicans are racists, homophobes, and elitists?

by adb67 2009-04-20 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh excuse us

Some of them are.  

by 30000Fine 2009-04-20 01:34PM | 0 recs
If the shoe fits...

by DTOzone 2009-04-20 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: If the shoe fits...

right if the shoe you can understand why the right says the left hates america and is generally unamerican....

by adb67 2009-04-20 04:55PM | 0 recs
Actually I can't

pointing out what's wrong with the country and suggesting ways to fix it does not equal hating America.

so no, I can't.

by DTOzone 2009-04-20 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: A simple question for you AD...

America IS the land of greed, murder, racism, and injustice.  It is also the place where you can make a lot of money, save a life, be tolerant happily, and see justice done.  It all depends on how you look at it and it is a FLUID thing.  One day is sunshine, one is rain.

It is not either/or, but a "Best of times, worst of times" thing.  (Something that right-wing conservatives just never seem to get.)  If you can't be fluid with the fact that we are some of the greatest AND worst people on this planet in America, then you just are not going to be content.

by Hammer1001 2009-04-20 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: A simple question for you AD...

America is the land of opportunity and freedom. Show me another on earth where everyone regardless of race or religion has the opportunity to live free and succeed...dont give me this white man as oppressor garbage.....

by adb67 2009-04-20 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Um

Well I mean no offense. But what I am sick of is hearing how America is this racist, homophobic society. A place where only white males succeed due to racism and where we as a country as a whole seeks to impose our way of life through some brutal aggression. There isnt another country in the world that has given more to the world in terms of military and economic support. Nowadays it seems left by the left wing in this country its fashionable to bash America. I dont sit here and bash wonderful countries like Great Britian, Italy and so forth. Countries who have great culture and history and whose people have and continue to give much to the world. So I dont appreciate it when I see and hear people particularly in this country say how terrible a place it is and how bad we are as a people.

by adb67 2009-04-20 06:05PM | 0 recs
Excuse me?

I dont sit here and bash wonderful countries like Great Britian, Italy and so forth.

Let's rewind;

Yes we should follow the rest of the world. They have done quite well...lets see they ignored the murder and slaughter of millions by Nazi Germany.....they ignore the plight of pverty stricken nations expecting the US to support everyone. They stand by and continually blame Israel for the plight of the middle east, calling the Israelis murderers and racists....they allow leaglized drugs and support the murder of the unborn....we have some much to learn from Europe and the rest of the world....

Sounds like bashing wonderful countries to me.

by DTOzone 2009-04-20 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: So what you're sick of

I can see how legalizing drugs, killing unborn children and expanding the welfare roles would be an improvement in our country....

by adb67 2009-04-20 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: So what you're sick of

Stop being obtuse.

How To Stop the Drug Wars.

That's The Economist. Hardly a leftist paper.

Next week ministers from around the world gather in Vienna to set international drug policy for the next decade. Like first-world-war generals, many will claim that all that is needed is more of the same. In fact the war on drugs has been a disaster, creating failed states in the developing world even as addiction has flourished in the rich world. By any sensible measure, this 100-year struggle has been illiberal, murderous and pointless. That is why The Economist continues to believe that the least bad policy is to legalise drugs.

Furthermore, the legalization also implies treating addiction as a medical health problem. It will take guns off the streets and reduce crime. It will add to the tax base. It will reduce spending on unnecessary law enforcement and most importantly curb police corruption both in the US and abroad.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: So what you're sick of

And it will send us deeper into the gaping hole of immorality....sorry but I dont see it in terms of a devout believer in the Lord, I see it as an issue of right and wrong. Drugs are wrong and evil. Making them legal so that we can simply ignore fixing the greater problem of making moral versus immoral decisions wont changer anything. Ultimately, the only thing that will cure addiction to drugs and addiction to the money from the sales of drugs is for those who need, to find the Lord. Only than we they free themselves of the addiction.

by adb67 2009-04-20 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Who decided drugs are immoral?

typical liberal, mock those who have faith becuase you have none......I just feel sad for you

by adb67 2009-04-21 04:23AM | 0 recs
You don't do drugs yourself? None?

Seriously you don't drink alcohol? Or you don't do any drug that's not in your bible? So you don't do coffee and chocolate?

The real issue I have with your approach to politics is that you use your set of moral principles to guide you in the area of law making. That becomes a problem for those that do not share your set of moral principles or values.

Government and laws need to be based on practicality not morality. It's impractical to try to run a society if you allow murderers to run loose. So you make murder illegal because it's impractical not because it might be immoral.

How would you feel if a majority believed that it was immoral not to eat chocolate every day and they passed a law forcing every one to eat chocolate every day.

Because your attachment to your morality is so strong you might find the concept of separation of church and state difficult in certain situations.

by Jeff Wegerson 2009-04-21 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: You don't do drugs yourself? None?

Simply stated, we should be guided by the ethics and morality, our conscience which comes directly from God.

by adb67 2009-04-21 09:04AM | 0 recs
Of course, as individuals

but not as groups. Groups possess multiple sets of differing ethics and morals. Morals and ethics generally fall outside of majority rule standards. A moral isn't decided by a majority vote. A moral is correct even if you are the only one in the universe that subscribes to it.

So when society, a group, comes up against conflicting morals, of individuals, then practicality is used to determine what law if any to create.

by Jeff Wegerson 2009-04-21 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: So what you're sick of

Listen, if you could be Draconian and reduce drug use by locking people up, you might have an argument. But we are the jailing-est country on the planet right now. Two million people in prison. When I started as a police reporter, 33, 34 percent of the federal inmate population was violent offenders. Now it's like, seven to eight percent. So, we're locking up less violent people. More of them. The drugs are purer. They've not-- they haven't closed down a single drug corner that I know of in Baltimore for any length of time. It's not working. And by the way this is not a Republican/Democrat thing. Because a lot of the most Draconian stuff came out of the Clinton Administration. This guy trying to maneuver to the center, in order not to be perceived as Leftist by a Republican Congress.

That's David Simon, the Baltimore Sun reporter turned creator of HBO's "The Wire." The only people who benefit from the current drug policy are corrupt policemen and investors in private prisons. The rest of us not so much.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 07:11PM | 0 recs
Typical Republican crap

lets see they ignored the murder and slaughter of millions by Nazi Germany

who did? Unless history is a lie, France, Britain and other countries were involved in Nuremberg.

they ignore the plight of pverty stricken nations expecting the US to support everyone.

Yeah, that's why if you go to sub-saharan African, you'll find a lot of British, Canadian, French, Spanish, Dutch and Italian aid workers alongside Americans.

They stand by and continually blame Israel for the plight of the middle east, calling the Israelis murderers and racists

That's why 23 countries walked out of the Iranian President's speech, including France, Britain and the Czech Republic, who holds the Presidency of the EU.  Italy, The Netherland, Canada, Australia, Germany, New Zealand all boycotted the speech.

they allow leaglized drugs and support the murder of the unborn

We should definitely aspire to be like the countries who have banned abortion; Nicaragua and Chile, and how about Dutch society? I don't see drug legalization turning that country upside down.

by DTOzone 2009-04-20 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Typical Republican crap

Please your gonna defend the French. A country rampant with antisemitism? Well you have zero credibility now....

by adb67 2009-04-20 07:02PM | 0 recs
Excuse me

but I spent a semester living in France in my sophomore years of college.

I saw more anti-semitism in the Poconos than I saw in France.

What experience do you have with anti-semitism in France?

by DTOzone 2009-04-20 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Excuse me

If your not aware of the rise in antisemitism in France over the last 8-10 particularly than your either blind or ignorant....As recently as 2005, the ADL published an article on the deteriorating situation.....

by adb67 2009-04-21 09:01AM | 0 recs

The only way the ADL would get any more credibility with me if it AIPAC disagreed with them.

by DTOzone 2009-04-21 08:01PM | 0 recs
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Reaganism may only have lasted 40 years.

28 actually. I shudder at the thought of 40, that would be 5/6 of my life. At 28, it's a more bearable 7/12.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 10:49AM | 0 recs
Well it seems like 40 to me...

I saw Reaganism begin with Nixon, and the southern strategy.

I saw the start of the culture wars back then.

To me, that era was the precursor, Reagan perfected it, gave it form, and sold it across the spectrum.

The Reagan Democrats, those Catholics...that really hurt, being from Catholic stock myself.

To me, that was the real turning point, that demographic kept them in power, really, till Obama.

I love the Big Dog, but he got luck with Perot.

But, I am getting a little long in the tooth here, best to let you young lions drive the bus, Charles.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Well it seems like 40 to me...

The culture wars certainly started then. You're right about that. You should read Rightward Bound: The Rise of American Conservatism in the 1970s. It's an edition so it's a series of very short essays all by YOUNG historians.  I think you would really like some of the essays. There's a chapter on White Ethnics which covers the Reagan Democrat phenomenon but the chapter I enjoyed the most was the one of the rise of the right-wing propaganda machine, the think tanks and the role of John Olin and William Simon (Nixon's Treasury Secretary). Really a great read. The book just came out late last year.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 11:03AM | 0 recs
Will check that out...

Put that on my wish list at Amazon.



by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Will check that out...

Might I suggest Powell's instead of Amazon.

Enriching Jeff Bezos is one of my societal goals.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 11:35AM | 0 recs
I'm a Seattle boy...

Have a bunch of friends that work(ed) for Amazon...

Charles, I knew that people whiplash when they hear Gates or Bezos, or Schultz (Starbucks..) name mentioned.

I got a few arguements with them myself.

But I live in a city where a lot of people made out well at those companies and a lot of them are doing well by my community.  

My band recorded at a studio/record company two weeks ago, funded by a 40 something that retired from Amazon.  He's doing really cool stuff with local artists and such.

Never worked for any of those companies myself, but I have always said, IF I had to choose the richest man in the world, we could do far worse then Bill Gates.

His father and mother were stand up folks, sure you know his fathers turns out debating FOR the Inheritance tax. Gates,_Sr.

Life board member of Planned Parenthood, people speculate where Bill is on the political spectrum, but no one doubts where his dad sits.

I will return your favor, here's a book I recommend: D=26230&cgi=biblio&show=HARDCOVE R:NEW:080704718x:25.00

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm a Seattle boy...

I actually think highly of the Gates, Sr and Jr. More Sr than Jr but Bill and Melinda do good work.

The inheritance tax stance was great. Warren Buffet also joined in that one.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-20 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Will check that out...

I love Powell's books.   One of the best book stores ever.  I use to lose hours in there when I lived in Portland.  Man Do I miss living there.

by 30000Fine 2009-04-20 01:36PM | 0 recs


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