A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

Down in Austin, the local Tea Party yesterday was brewing talk of secession. Perhaps that's not terribly newsworthy but it is the who was brewing that dangerous elixir that is, well, hard to believe. Here's Governor, yes, Governor Rick Perry of Texas talking about Texas' right to secede. It's worth a listen:

"Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that," Perry said. "My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."

I miss Molly Ivins at moments like this. Lord, what would she have made of this Texas-size demagogue? Is there a virus going around that has caused conservatives to go insane? It is one thing for a clown like Glenn Beck or a fool like Chuck Norris who wants to run for President of Texas to stoke the embers of secessionist rebellion but a sitting Governor?

While a number of liberal blogs are covering this latest bout of conservative insanity (John Amato at Crooks and Liars and very eloquent Joe Cutbirth over at the Huffington Post who calls on Governor Perry to "to retract the remarks publicly or resign."), I thought I'd take a gander on how conservatives blogs were covering this nonsense. Lo and behold, it's not nonsense.

Here's Hogan of Red State who thinks Governor Perry's remarks are neither "too strong" nor "unpatriotic." Instead, Hogan commends Governor Perry for standing up for the citizens of the Lone Star State:

Governor Perry is putting Washington on notice: "Stop messing with Texas." That is his job. It is his job to protect the citizens of Texas from an overbearing, wasteful and largely incompetent national government. The only thing that should come as a surprise is that a governor is finally stepping up and saying "no."

Right now - Governor Perry has to calculate what is best for his 23 million constituents. He has to ask himself the following questions, among many:

- Will America's national defense be adequate enough to protect Texans after the numerous budget cuts and re-prioritizations of the Obama administration?;

  • Will America, and thus Texas, be safe with massive cuts in missile defense even as North Korea and other rogue states seek nuclear weapons and missile capability?;
  • Will Social Security and Medicare - currently barreling toward total collapse and massive unfunded liabilities - be solvent and viable for the millions of Texas baby-boomers heading toward retirement?;
  • Will Americans, and thus Texans, be forced not just to tolerate abortion on demand but be forced to pay for it around the world with their hard earned tax dollars?;
  • Will charities be capable of taking care of those in need (recall how much Texans stepped to the plate during Katrina to help those victims from Louisiana, even as Rita inflicted damage on Texas) given cuts in charitable tax deductions and the efforts to nationalize charities recently enacted into law (for which TX Senator Hutchison voted - and for which she should be held to account);
  • Will activist judges force Texas to recognize gay marriages instituted in Vermont, New Hampshire, or any other state?;
  • Will the massive spending by the national government create an unmanageable debt and cause massive inflation and dramatically damage the buying power and financial well being of Texans?;
  • Will Americans, and thus Texans, have sufficient access to domestic exploration of oil, oil shale, clean coal and natural gas - so that the citizens won't face $4.00 + gasoline again, this time in a weaker economy?;
  • Will the national government continue to prevent construction of nuclear power plants, and thus access to clean, American-produced, energy?;
  • Will Americans, and thus Texans, be forced to buy only cars the size of "Smart Cars" in the name of protecting the planet and making the roads safer?"
  • Will Americans, and thus Texans, be forced to go through government-run agencies or other entities to gain access to healthcare - placing a bureaucrat between them and their doctor?;
  • Will Americans, and thus Texans, be forced to live with dangerous terrorists release from Guantanamo Bay?;
  • Will American workers, and thus Texans, be allowed to work in an environment where private ballots for unions are allowed and supported?;
  • Will American, and thus Texan, children be allowed to pray in school, enjoy Christmas assemblies or recognize God at all, or will activist judges continue to bastardize the First Amendment en route to a European style secular state?;
  • Will American, and thus Texan, borders be protected from illegal entry or will our borders be protected?;
  • Will the United States tax code continue to be incomprehensible and overly focused on social engineering such that it becomes increasingly difficult to manage tax preparation for the decreasing few who continue to carry the tax burden for America?

The list of questions is apparently not a complete one but I think it fair to say that Hogan is completely deranged.

Update [2009-4-16 9:11:35 by Charles Lemos]: Just how insane are these conservatives? Well, Governor Jon Huntsman Jr. of Utah, a Republican, was booed in Salt Lake City for accepting about $1.5 billion in federal stimulus money.

Tags: Governor Rick Perry, Tea Parties, texas, us constitution (all tags)



Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

Back to Mexico with you Perry, you mendatious fuckwit.

by lojasmo 2009-04-16 03:24AM | 0 recs

Pure insanity.

But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that.

What an idiot. We have elections for that, you doofus. You know, correction elections in which the American people speak loud and clear and toss out who they believe to be worthless.   In a little over a year we get to decide once again who to keep and who to toss out of Congress, but with bat-crazy antics like these the predictable result will likely be that Republicans will suffer even more from the American people's decision making progress, sending you probably even more into a crazed tizzy about what the "American people" have to endure, despite election results telling you clearly what it is they want.

Just because you don't like the result of what the American people decide (and continue to be content with, according to all polls) does not mean you can make up your own rules, your own reality, and your own country.

by devilrays 2009-04-16 03:45AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

Gov. Perry I suggest you  take it for a test drive and see how it works first.

So next time you get hit by a Hurricane or some other natural disaster don't call FEMA.

Worried about your border with Mexico and the drug cartels? Don't call Washington for assistance.

Need to improve your Inter-States - Please take DOT off your speed dial.

Finally, I suggest you start paying SS, Medicaid and Medicare completely out of your own budget. Better yet just do away with them -they're socialist programs anyway.

As to your Colleges and Universities your students are no longer eligible for federal education loans those are now on you. And don't forget no more research grants from the Fed either. And  your college and University Football teams are out of the NCAA.
Bye bye Sugar Bowl. This goes for all college sports.

And just for good measure, don't forget as a new sovereign nation you  are not part of the current NAFTA agreement. So anything your produce and export will subject to the appropriate   tariffs.

I'll give you a call in six months to see how it's going. This assumes of course you haven't been tar and feathered and run out of the state on a rail.

by jsfox 2009-04-16 04:24AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

Oh - and don't forget the farm subsidies!

by bushsucks 2009-04-16 04:57AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

Damn, but I am sure this is just one of a number of things I forgot.

by jsfox 2009-04-16 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

....and let's be crystal clear here, Perry quite obviously is not speaking about the "American people" as a whole, since we know that a vast majority of the people is content with their November decisions and continues to support Obama and the Democratic Congress while generally despising or at least disliking the Republicans in Congress and Republican leaders.  He only speaks of the portion of Americans HE considers "worthy," white America,  

Perry's quote should have read:

"But if the American people continue to thumb their nose at Republicans, who knows what may come of that."

by devilrays 2009-04-16 04:26AM | 0 recs
Texas' deal to enter the U.S.

My mother, born and raised in Texas, told me that when Texas joined the U.S. that they were to be allowed to split into as many as five states should they choose at a later date. I have no idea where she got that idea.

So here comes Perry with a similar idea. Are there agreed to documents somewhere that lay out these notions? And if they exist were they nullified by the Civil War?

by Jeff Wegerson 2009-04-16 04:37AM | 0 recs
Snopes: Re: Texas' deal to enter the U.S.

Well my mother was right! Snopes says so. But the intervening Civil War and other laws, including the constitution seem to say sorry Texas but it ain't gonna happen.

Snopes goes on to say also, sorry Perry but you are wrong about succession.

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/t exas.asp

by Jeff Wegerson 2009-04-16 04:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Texas' deal to enter the U.S.

I don't know but the Republic of Texas was much larger than the state of Texas. When the Republic of Texas was annexed into the United States, its territory was split into different states. The original territory became the state of Texas, and parts of New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma and Kansas. I am not sure if this what your Mom meant or if the current state can divided into five states.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-16 04:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Texas' deal to enter the U.S.

Wikipedia discusses this all. Texas did give up all of the republic except what is now Texas. But yes there was some clause allowing the current state to divide. It had to do with keeping a balance between slave and free states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of _Texas


The resolution did not include any special exceptions to the provisions of the US Constitution regarding statehood. The right to create these possible new states was not "reserved" for Texas, as is sometimes stated.[8] Second, Texas did not have to surrender its public lands to the federal government. While Texas did cede all territory outside of its current area to the federal government in 1850, it did not cede any public lands within its current boundaries. This means that the only lands owned by the federal government within Texas have subsequently been purchased by the federal government. This also means that the state government has control over oil reserves which were later used to fund the state's public university system through the Permanent University Fund.[9] In addition, the state's control over offshore oil reserves in Texas runs out to 3 leagues (10.357 miles, 16.668 km) rather than three miles (4.828 km) as with other states.[10]

by Jeff Wegerson 2009-04-16 04:56AM | 0 recs
Texas joined the U.S. because it was in debt!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of _Texas

One of the motivations for annexation was that the Texas government had incurred huge debts which the United States agreed to assume upon annexation. In 1852, in return for this assumption of debt, a large portion of Texas-claimed territory, now parts of Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Wyoming, was ceded to the Federal government.

by Jeff Wegerson 2009-04-16 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

I live in Austin and the lead story on the local news last night was sick trees in the favorite park here in the city. Rick Perry got a little coverage but they didn't highlight his secessionist remarks. The media let's these guys get away with their rhetoric by not covering it. I think they don't cover it because it is so bizarre, but that seems like protection in a way.

Also, I hear Rick Perry is very unpopular and likely to lose the primary to Kay Bailey. He only won last time with about 35% of the vote in a three-way race. He is such a major douche I plan to cross over and vote in the Republican primary just to oust him.

by Lolis 2009-04-16 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

One of the liberal blogs, I forget which, suggested that Perry's remarks were basically geared at securing the right flank of the GOP in the primary. I don't know Texas politics so I didn't put this in and instead focus on the insanity of the remarks. What a trio, Beck, Norris and Perry.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-16 05:05AM | 0 recs
Angry 12 year olds....

LOL, this is like an angry 12 year old screaming at their parents

"I am no longer part of this family!"

Fine, no food, no shelter, what time are you leaving?

They usually make it to a neighbors house as part of their big run away, and are back around dinner-time.

Rick Perry, petchulant Tweener.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-16 05:04AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

The fatal mistake that twits like, as Molly Ivins called him "Governor Goodhair" make, is that they really do think that their right-wing "base" is enough to win them an election. Beyond this, if texas wants to secede I say, let em. Just be sure to close all those military bases (More than any other state.), I-20,U.S.78, any other federally funded highway, end ALL federally funded research in the state, AND direct subsidies to citizens in the form of medicare, medicaid, social security, student loans, and any other federally funded mechanism, and we'll call it even.Oh, and make them pay back every dollar they've EVER eceived from the U.S. guvmint.

by onlinesavant 2009-04-16 05:42AM | 0 recs

Most of the RED states that want to pull this are tax drains anyway...

It would probably decrease the amount of taxes us in states that DON'T want to leave the union by cutting off this dead weight.

We take all the blue and purple states, and all the blazing red states leave...

Heck they can ban abortion, make Christianity the State Religion?

It will be like having a little Afghanastan right in the middle of the US.

Of course, there would be the Meth Lab Problem, since the United Conservative Red States of America will have to real revenue schema and probably turn into a drug state?

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-16 07:41AM | 0 recs
Texas holds crucial stockpiles...

My research shows that Texas holds crucial stockpiles of strategic idiocy that cannot be ignored.  While I'm sure that Alaska could eventually ramp up its production to help with the shortfall, I fear the remaining United States would have to import up to 35% of our idiocy from the Republic of the Lone Star to maintain our current levels.

by LegacyLDad 2009-04-16 07:27AM | 0 recs
Leading my vote

For top snark of the morning.

Nice, very nice.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-16 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Texas holds crucial stockpiles...

Yours is a bloody brilliant comment.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-16 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

Huntsman scares me.  He doesn't seem as bat shit crazy as the rest of them... He might actually have a shot in 2012 or 2016.  

by 30000Fine 2009-04-16 07:47AM | 0 recs
Yes he is very smart

He is already positioning himself to win independents with his seeming moderate stances on Gay partner rights, etc.

I think He, Petraeus, Pawlenty are shooting for 2016, knowing that the base will control things in 2012 and, unless she steps down or self-immolates (and not sure what she could do that would make the base turn on her) Sarah is going to win the nod.

Because, the Party has a fundemental problem. The footsoldiers have taken over the army. The only way to put the genie back in the bottle is let them absolutely crash and burn, THEN you can propose in 2016 that we need to put up a non-wing nut ticket.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-16 07:55AM | 0 recs
Pretty much what the Democrats did

in the 1980s.

by DTOzone 2009-04-16 08:58AM | 0 recs
A little late

They should have thought of this before they gave us Dubya.

by mikeinsf 2009-04-16 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: A Secessionist Brew at a Texas Tea Party

I tried to answer the questions proposed on RedState at: http://natchgreyes.blogspot.com/2009/04/ governor-perrys-secessionist-talk.html

I think I did a fairly adequate job and also gave some commentary on this situation on Texas

by Natch 2009-04-17 08:23AM | 0 recs


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