A Geology Lesson for Bobby Jindal

How is it that the GOP continues to shoot itself in the foot with its anti-science crusade? Back during the general election, Governor Sarah Palin, in a moment of horrific ignorance, wailed against fruit flies, not realizing the role that the humble fruit fly plays in scientific research. Then there is Senator Inhofe of Oklahoma who believes that global climate change is "greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people."

Now it's Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's turn to demonstrate a profound ignorance of the country he lives in with yet another flippant anti-science remark. The United States ranks third, behind Indonesia and Japan, in the number of historically active volcanoes. Most of the volcanoes are found in the Aleutian Islands, the Alaska Peninsula, the Hawaiian Islands, and the Cascade Range of the Pacific Northwest. The remainder are widely distributed in the western part of the nation from California to Colorado. The entire Western United States sits on the Pacific Ring of Fire. A part of this ring of fire is the Cascade Volcanic Arc which includes nearly 20 major volcanoes. Seattle and Portland are both firmly at least until the Earth shakes within the Cascade Volcanic Arc.

In total, there are 169 volcanoes in the United States. Eighteen of them have been designated as "Very High Threat Volcanoes" by the United States Geological Survey. Twelve of these have been active or erupted within the last 200 years and eight since 1984. Here's what the USGS has to say on the dangers posed:

These volcanoes have devastated large areas with volcanic blasts, invaded their surroundings with lava flows, produced large mudflows that have swept over hundreds of square miles, emitted noxious gases that have caused lung ailments and produced ash clouds that have brought down passenger jets and blanketed thousands of square miles.

And yet the Governor of a state that was devastated by a natural disaster just three and half years ago thinks that it is too much to spend $140 million, as he put it, "for something called `volcano monitoring.'" Well, let's buy the Governor a clue:

Monitoring volcanoes for signs of activity, another vital component, is carried out by USGS earth scientists at three volcano observatories, which were established to study active volcanoes in Hawaii (1912), the Cascades (1980), and Alaska (1988). These researchers record earthquakes, survey the surfaces of volcanoes, map volcanic rock deposits, and analyze the chemistry of volcanic gas and fresh lava to detect warning signs of impending activity and determine the most likely type of activity that will affect areas around a volcano. During the past 10 years, several warnings of eruptions were issued by the USGS and monitoring of recently active volcanoes in the United States was expanded.

The question in my mind is can ever we trust the science illiterate GOP with our lives? The answer is a firm and resounding no.

[Update] More from Scientific American

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48 Comments

what a n00b

i think everyone in the pacific northwest facepalmed when he said that.

seriously, anyone who doubts the importance of research into volcanoes and earthquakes on the west coast and alaska are seriously stupid.

by theninjagoddess 2009-02-24 11:06PM | 0 recs
Another ignorant Republican

Perhaps Jindal should visit Mount St. Helens and learn about the 1980 volcanic explosion that blew the top off that mountain in Washington state.

Fifty-seven people were killed; 250 homes, 47 bridges, 15 miles (24 km) of railways, and 185 miles (298 km) of highway were destroyed... Nearly 230 square miles (600 km2) of forest was blown down or buried beneath volcanic deposits. At the same time a mushroom-shaped column of ash rose thousands of feet skyward and drifted downwind, turning day into night as dark, gray ash fell over eastern Washington and beyond.

Mt. St. Helens is relatively rural, but volcanic monitoring probably helped save many people who might have been killed by this explosion.

Jindal was only 8 years old when this occurred so maybe he missed the headlines.

by RandomNonviolence 2009-02-25 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Another ignorant Republican
While Gov. Jindal may not concerned with the safety of the nation as a whole, he is probably on solid ground in ignoring volcanic threats to the people of Louisiana--unless one erupts in the Caribbean Sea and sends a tsumani along his coastline:  http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/ 2007/01/070109-volcano-photo.html
Perhaps, he believes foreign volcanos fall under the purview of international security.  More disturbingly, he appears to be laughing at the peril that fellow Republicans (in deep-red states, such as Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and in the Great Plains) faced in 1980.  Just looking at the fallout map from the Mount St. Helens eruption shows the path of devastation and disruption inflicted afterwards upon the country:  http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/ Maps/may18_ashmap.html
by The Totalizer 2009-02-25 07:46AM | 0 recs
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It's all part of Rove's "permanent majority".  The parts of the west coast shadowed by active volcanoes are largely Democratic while the "safe" parts are largely rural and Republican.  A couple of convenient eruptions can shift the electoral balance in the West.

I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.  Almost every mountain worth calling a mountain is an active volcano.

by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2009-02-24 11:33PM | 0 recs
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I wonder if he thinks hurricane monitoring is similarly frivolous.  Actually, by the sound of it he might.

by Steve M 2009-02-24 11:34PM | 0 recs
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My thought exactly -- tell him that "volcanoes" are natural disasters, just like "hurricanes." Maybe then he and the rest of the brain-dead right will understand.

by RobertNAtl 2009-02-25 04:00AM | 0 recs
Re: A Geology Lesson for Bobby Jindal

Maybe the brain dead left should actually READ our wonderful stimulus package instead of having minute pieces of it spoon fed to you by MSM.

The waste in this bill is incredible. So much for change.

by ADAFSMF 2009-02-26 05:22PM | 0 recs
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Jindal is supposed to be a scientist.  He graduated from Brown with a degree in biology.  What is it about Republicans that make them choose ideology over science?  He can't really be that uninformed, can he?

by temptxan 2009-02-25 03:25AM | 0 recs
Re: A Geology Lesson for Bobby Jindal

Tell the unemployed that spending money on this new program is more important than using the money to create jobs.

by tpeichel 2009-02-25 03:41AM | 0 recs
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Well, spending money on this new program will "create jobs," assuming humans are involved at any level of the program.

by RobertNAtl 2009-02-25 04:02AM | 0 recs
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Yes, it will create jobs for some scientists, but how many? 100? That would be $1.4 million per job. Is that the best we can do?

by tpeichel 2009-02-25 08:06AM | 0 recs
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You're forgeting the cost of the equipment.

by Charles Lemos 2009-02-25 09:37AM | 0 recs
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While it may not create a wealth of jobs, a failure to adequately monitor could certainly lead to the loss of more than a few. Not to mention the cost of emergency response should we be caught unaware.

by jsfox 2009-02-25 06:44AM | 0 recs
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No argument with the program, but why is it buried inside an "emergenecy" spending bill that we had to have to create jobs?

by tpeichel 2009-02-25 08:20AM | 0 recs
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I am not sure but I don't think it was part of the fiscal stimulus. I'll have to look it up. I think the program is on-going funding for the USGS.

by Charles Lemos 2009-02-25 09:38AM | 0 recs
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It is part of stimulus.

$200 million to the U.S. Geological Survey to repair or upgrade facilities, replace equipment, conduct national mapping activities, strengthen seismic and volcano monitoring systems and more.

by Charles Lemos 2009-02-25 09:56AM | 0 recs
It is not stimulus

You could make the argument that throwing money at ANYTHING will stimulate something, but it's complete BS.

There are far more efficient ways of stimulating with $140 million than putting it into volcano monitoring.

While important, volcano monitoring does NOT belong in the stimulus package, and Jindal is right.  The volcano monitoring program should stand on its own merits in another bill.

That's the problem with Washington - they throw all these "special" projects into critical legislation because they know it will pass, and the special projects never get the review they need, despite the merit or lack thereof of the program.

by tkstock 2009-02-26 06:42AM | 0 recs
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For all of the scientific discussion, I am amazed that pollution has not been mentioned by people from either party line one any blog I've been on. When active, Mount St. Helens is the USA's largest polluter. We are committed to preserving the environment - but we really need to monitor these smokestacks more than most - because we can't fine the infractor.

And researching better ways for dealing with this specific kind of pollution will also put us all in a better position. But the first step in the scientific process is observation.

by infoecologist 2009-02-25 05:51PM | 0 recs
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"Tell the unemployed that spending money on this new program is more important than using the money to create jobs."

Why can't we do both? Government is not a zero sum game. I believe that Obama is capable pf accomplishing more then one task at a time. Don't you?

by MichiganMark 2009-02-25 04:02AM | 0 recs
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We could do both, but these are not ordinary times. We are staring the next great depression square in the face.

Do we need to spend $140 million to improve volcano monitoring right this minute? Is it a crisis?

Would we stimulate the economy more if say we gave $1 million each to 140 people with the best business plans and let them each hire people and try to grow a business?

by tpeichel 2009-02-25 09:01AM | 0 recs
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Why can't the 140 people with the best business plans get funding from venture capitalists? I know the market's shaky right now, but there's still money out there for the most solid business plans.

On the other hand, venture capitalists don't want to invest in volcano monitoring because there's no easy way to make money from it: There's a free-rider problem; once the information has been collected, everyone is able to use it whether they helped pay for it or not. Volcano monitoring is the sort of public good that the government provides better than the free market.

I don't know if there's a real crisis in volcano monitoring, but the government has been neglecting a lot of basic infrastructure work and there are crises all over the place. I'd guess that somebody somewhere looked things over and decided that this was a good place to spend money. (Or I guess they could have been subverted by lobbyists from the powerful Volcano Monitoring Industry.)

by mazement 2009-02-25 04:22PM | 0 recs
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VC funding would be ideal but I think it has dried up with the market crash. Those private investors with capital are holding onto it because no one knows what the rules will be. The government has not given clear direction on how they are going to handle the banking crisis and the administration has signaled that they will let the Bush capital gain tax cuts expire.

Until these issues are cleared up and we get a better idea of how much debt we're taking on, I think private capital will stay on the sidelines. I know if I was wealthy, I wouldn't be investing in this type of environment. Markets don't like uncertainty because it adds to the risk side of the investing equation.

It certainly wouldn't hurt to put the people who broke the law behind bars.  Punish the financiers and politicians who broke the law and just watch consumer confidence soar.

by tpeichel 2009-02-25 06:00PM | 0 recs
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Let's just hope this time Americans have a LONG memory of who got us into this mess to begin with....

by nikkid 2009-02-25 04:51AM | 0 recs
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Amen.

by Charles Lemos 2009-02-25 09:39AM | 0 recs
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Barney Frank?  Or are you going all the way back to Jimmy Carter and the intial creation of the CRA?  Of course, it was strengthened in the 90's by the democrats, so I guess some of them could be blamed too.

by tkstock 2009-02-26 06:49AM | 0 recs
Re: A Geology Lesson for Bobby Jindal

There is a long list of government officials who should be skewered for the mess we are in: Phil Gramm, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, President Bush, Chris Dodd, Greenspan, Franklin Raines, Bernanke, Paulson, and a whole laundry list of regulators and rating agency employees who were bought off or looked the other way in exchange for favors or campaign contributions.

The corruption was widespread and the sad part is that many of the same people are still in power.

by tpeichel 2009-02-26 10:43AM | 0 recs
One of my mentors years ago was 20 miles

from Mount St. Helens when it blew...

He was with a group of school kids on a tour.

He said, for the first 4 hours or so, he was sure they were all dead. They made it out, some did not.

To believe that we don't need to study  and monitor those volcanos is ludicrous.

Isn't this the party that spends BILLIONS on missile defense that most legit scientests feel is a technological boon-doogle?  

So far, I have never had to clean off a missile strike from North Korea from my car, like I did Mount St. Helens ash....So, for me Volcanos Real, Missile Defense, not so much.

Jindal is a fake, like Newt before him, he is a slight of hand artist, keeping the base from understanding that their REAL agenda is NOT to keep the big bad government from their door or wasting their hard earned money, but to continue their economic policies that transfer wealth up.

by WashStateBlue 2009-02-25 06:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Jindal is a CREATIONIST game,set,match

if it aint in the bible, it aint so.  I don't remember any mention of volcanoes in North America in the bible.

by barkleyg 2009-02-25 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Jindal is a CREATIONIST game,set,match

 It looks like I am combining communist, faschist, Marxist, alliterations in my rant on guys that still believe in ID over Darwinism.  Hey, maybe I have more in common with repugs than I realized

by barkleyg 2009-02-25 09:00AM | 0 recs
He Cannot Possibly have been a Rhodes Scholar

I wonder if Jindal would have attacked a $150 million provision in the stimulus package to study and better predict hurricanes in the Caribbean and along the Gulf Coast? And I wonder if he realizes something else:  "The spending could provide new jobs "no different than the amount of money you would spend on building a street or building a bridge or something," said Danny Boston, an economist at Georgia Tech university in Atlanta, Georgia.  

by JohnRJ09 2009-02-25 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: He Cannot Possibly have been a Rhodes Scholar

Dudes got more brains in his left ass cheek than you do in your whole cabasa John. And he ABSOLUTELY would have turned down any "hurricane studies" as it's NOT A STIMULUS ITEM. My God what don't you get about the difference between Natural Disater expenditures, which are already budgeted, and critical emergency national economic stimulus? Do tell.

Common sense has left the building evidently.

by Reckoner 2009-02-25 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: He Cannot Possibly have been a Rhodes Scholar

Agreed. There is no logical connection between someone holding a different political opinion and their intelligence.

I think President Obama is wrong to try and fix the economy and implement his new plans at the same time. He believes we must follow his plan or we will have ten year recession. I happen to disagree as I see his increasing spending and lowering taxes as a continuation of the strategy President Bush used to address the 2001 recession and look where it got us? Increasing spending and going further into debt, trying to prop up home prices and creating artificial demand in the consumer, it all is just kicking the can down the road like President Bush did.

At some point we are going to have to take our medicine. Going further into debt is just prolonging the inevitable and I believe  we'll follow a similar path that Japan took.

by tpeichel 2009-02-25 06:15PM | 0 recs
Stupid is as stupid does, stupid.

So why fix roads and bridges if people can still drive on them? Why repair schools if none of the roofs have collapsed? Why develop alternative fuels if gas prices have gone down?  Use your head. This country spends a lot of money every year monitoring the environment as a way of protecting the population. The technicians who do that work spend money and pay taxes. The hallmark of Obama's philosophy in developing the stimulus package was to provide necessary services while creating jobs. Maybe you, in your parochial arrogance, don't think monitoring volcanoes is all that essential. That's just ignorance talking.

I've known many people who have advanced degrees from Ivy League schools and some of them have no common sense at all. Academics are supremely capable of doing and saying stupid things. In Jindal's case, as smart as he may be, he agreed to make a positively abysmal speech and deliver it like a grammar school teacher. In the process of doing that, he was glib about an issue that many Americans are smart enough to realize is important.

By the way, it's "cabeza". Dope.

by JohnRJ09 2009-02-26 09:10AM | 0 recs
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So let me get this straight.

Humans who believe in what is written in the Christian Bible are requried to allow for the absolute fact that an omnipotent entity is the basis for both the "Old Testament" and the "New Testament" portions.

The very definition of an omnipotent entity is that the entity knows all, sees all, and deals with the past, present, and future.

How is it then that the omnipotent entity-inspired Christian Bible makes no mention of North America?

Bobby's comments demonstrate to me that any assistance the Federal Government provided, provides now and will provide in the future concerning Hurricanes that near or go through Lousiana, should not be provided.

I think Bobby would much rather have the time to relocate if he knows when a Hurricane approaches him than his not knowing if a volcano is going to explode or a major earthquake occurs under his feet.

To be the governor of a State that has suffered and been provided a great deal of money because of Hurricanes and Tornado damages, it is surprising that he does not wish money be appropriated to States that have active volcanos and regions with major earthquake zones.

The folks in Redmon Washington, all over Oregon, and most of California provide a great deal of Federal Tax Money that regularly goes to Louisana because folks living in that southern state remain in Hurricane territories.

Bobby, give every dollar from the stimulous package that was earmarked for you state and send it to Washington, Oregon, Hawai'i, and California.

Keep your Hurricanes and leave our volcanos alone.

by CookieAcacia 2009-02-25 04:49PM | 0 recs
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We don't need a geology lesson down here, but it seems most of the posters need a lesson in Economic Recovery. It's you defecit spenders who are obviously confused between RELEVANT Stimulus Package items meant to STIMULATE THE ECONOMY, NOT monitor volcanoes, neither for hurricane recovery as well. What don't you idiots get about the difference between a stimulus pacakage meant to get us out of this hell hole we're in and the critical yet irrelevant monitoring of a volcanoe or anything else that's not contributive. All you northwesterners got all emotional about the topic, as we did when a lot of America said let New Orleans die, and you forgot what the original point was. AN ECONOMIC STIMULUS PACKAGE people; everything else no matter how impacting is putting the apples in with the oranges. No wonder we're doomed with a nation of teriminally stupid people confusing the issues and spouting off about things which are obviously far beyond their comprehension. What if we'd said; OK we want the millions we never got for Katrina Recovery to be included in the Stimulus along with all the other crap; ya'll would've been screaming at the top of your lungs. Try to keep up Yankees, I know it's tough for a lot of you.

by Reckoner 2009-02-25 05:45PM | 0 recs
A few things

For starters, being a new user and calling everyone here idiots isn't a great way to make friends. I mean, if you want us to listen to what you have to say, there's a certain element of kindness involved. But that's just me.

The bill passed by Congress wasn't a "stimulus bill," even if that's what everyone's been talking about. It was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. That's not just a semantic distinction, either. While the focus is on the recovery part-- creating jobs-- there was some significant reinvestment, too. That means increased spending in neglected areas to ensure future, sustained growth, not just a short-term stimulus.

So, that investment in the future includes $8.9 billion for scientific research. It might not employ many people now, it'll create jobs for the future, and it'll improve our standard of living.

The bill also includes $100 million to remove lead paint from public housing. While that puts some people to work, that's not the point. The point is that it's a smart investment because it'll keep poor people from getting sick (who wouldn't be able to pay for it, making everyone's costs go up).

And it includes $100 million for free school lunch programs. A family that uses that isn't going to take the money they saved to buy a car, but they are going to have children who grow up healthier, do better in school, and become productive, competitive workers years from now.

And yeah, it includes $140 million for volcano monitoring. It won't put many people to work now (though someone has to build the equipment, someone has to ship it, someone has to know how to use it), but it will save lives and money in the future. I think that's a good investment, and I've got no problem with doing it now. It'll pay off years from now.

If it was just about stimulating the economy, we'd have a very short-term focus. Every pothole in America would be filled and every at the end of the day, we'd still be stuck with the same problems we have now and we'd have to do the same thing all over again. Stimulating the economy is a short-term goal.

Keeping it going once we've got it moving requires long-term planning.

by Fitzy 2009-02-25 06:44PM | 0 recs
Excellent points

I think it's rather curious how some people choose to define the President's bill in their own way, then criticize it using their own made-up criteria.  I would be interested in hearing what some of them think an "emergency stimulus" bill would include, other than the government immediately mailing out checks to everybody. All the armchair economists here post comments like "we need to take our medicine", "the government shouldn't bail-out anybody",  and "just cut taxes". Clearly, they don't get the gravity of the situation.  In the past, those things might've worked because the government had the option of lowering interest rates to stimulate borrowing. Rates are already nearly at zero, yet nobody is lending.

by JohnRJ09 2009-02-26 09:20AM | 0 recs
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Anyone who questions the importance of monitoring of volcanic eruptions and earth quakes is plain stupid and ignoramous. Or does the governor want the people to suffer like they did in the wake of Katrina. His remarks of Katrina also showed ignorance. Katrina was a disaster because of poor Government response. In situations like natural disaster, only preparations managed by governmental agencies are effective. Individual people re helpless themselves. His remarks shows ignorance at best and callousness at worst.

by susanp 2009-02-25 08:38PM | 0 recs
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Here's a cognitive lesson for all of YOU. The point was never that volcano research is somehow a waste. The point is that, like so much of the "stimulus", IT'S NOT STIMULUS.
Stimulus would include things that have an immediate, demonstrable, positive impact on our ECONOMY. Slashing capital gains taxes to promote investment...A $15,000 tax credit for home buyers...these constitute stimulus. Funding for std research and volcano research do not.
I'm not sure if you people just don't understand financial markets or what? If you want to discourage an activity, you tax it. If you raise taxes on income from investment, you discourage investment. If you raise taxes on tobacco, people quit smoking. The market is in the shape it's in because not only are people not investing, they're selling off. When everyone is selling, everything goes down in value. It doesn't matter if you're talking about homes, stocks, or flat screen tv's. When markets are flooded with sales, values plummet.
All the volcano research on all the volcanoes in all the world won't do a thing for our economy. Sure people need jobs, but they get them from having places to work. Jobs come from investors investing.
You guys need to accept that 'the one' is just another politician. This "stimulus" package is nothing more than payback to his bread-and-butter supporters for their efforts in getting him elected. Bush did it with big-energy. That's what they do. When they get in, politicians reward those that supported them. Just follow the money trail.
by allhaileris 2009-02-25 09:41PM | 0 recs
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delete this one...

by allhaileris 2009-02-25 09:44PM | 0 recs
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Here's a cognitive lesson for all of YOU. The point was never that volcano research is somehow a waste. The point is that, like so much of the "stimulus", IT'S NOT STIMULUS.
Stimulus would include things that have an immediate, demonstrable, positive impact on our ECONOMY. Slashing capital gains taxes to promote investment...A $15,000 tax credit for home buyers...these constitute stimulus. Funding for std research and volcano research do not.
I'm not sure if you people just don't understand financial markets or what? If you want to discourage an activity, you tax it. If you raise taxes on income from investment, you discourage investment. If you raise taxes on tobacco, people quit smoking. So WHY are we not doing ANYTHING to encourage investment in our economy...beyond sending Hillary to China to beg them to keep buying our debt?
The market is in the shape it's in because not only are people not investing, they're selling off. When everyone is selling, everything goes down in value. It doesn't matter if you're talking about homes, stocks, or flat screen tv's. When markets are flooded with sales, values plummet.
All the volcano research on all the volcanoes in all the world won't do a thing for our economy. Sure people need jobs, but they get them from having places to work. Jobs come from investors investing.
You guys need to accept that 'the one' is just another politician. This "stimulus" package is nothing more than payback to his bread-and-butter supporters for their efforts in getting him elected. Bush did it with big-energy. That's what they do. When they get in, politicians reward those that supported them. Just follow the money trail.
by allhaileris 2009-02-25 09:43PM | 0 recs
Re: A Geology Lesson for Bobby Jindal

Take a deep breath and exhale. No need to attack people. I happen to agree that we should focus our resources on the short-term things we need to fix the economy rather than trying to implement major programs, but others agree with President Obama and think we can do both.

Make your arguments, but there's no need to get nasty. President Obama may not be perfect, but I don't think he's just an ordinary politician. It's only been a month and he has a lot of challenges, give him a chance.

by tpeichel 2009-02-26 04:11AM | 0 recs
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I don't think Obama's done that bad compared to what I expected - I think the majority of issues that I have came out of Pelosi and the congress.  Bipartisanship appears to be Obama's idea, not theirs, and they're taking this opportunity like kids that haven't seen Santa Claus in 8 years.

by tkstock 2009-02-26 07:11AM | 0 recs
It's too sad that y'all don't get it

Volcano Monitoring != Stimulus.
Volcano Monitoring != Stimulus.
Volcano Monitoring != Stimulus.

But hey, he must be against volcano monitoring because he's in a state without them!

Are you naturally obtuse, or do you have to go to classes to learn it?

by tkstock 2009-02-26 05:38AM | 0 recs
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Part of this stimulus is supposed to go towards rebuilding our infrastructure. Our bridges, roads, and country's infrastructure is aging and failing. This would be why a volcano warning system is included, because if they can alert an area to an impending disaster and avoid a Katrina.esque moment, the measely 140 million dollars will pay off 100 fold, it's being proactive to the inevitable.

To put it in a perspective that the Jindal fans can maybe comprehend. Let's look at the 800 billion dollar Bush Stimulus.

Over 20 billion dollars went to Wall Street Fat Cats, guys who helped propel us into this economic crisis were rewarded for their incompetence.  

So let's compare that to the 140 million. If you stacked up "thousand-dollar bills" to reach 140 million, it would reach 46 feet high.
To reach 20 billion stacked up is over 1 mile high. I'll take the volcano monitoring over bailing out and rewarding the jerks that put us in this place.

by jwk69 2009-02-26 01:54PM | 0 recs
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"The Bush stimulus"?

Oh you mean the one Obama voted for! How convenient, forgetting to give credit where credit is due. Try again.

by ADAFSMF 2009-02-26 04:08PM | 0 recs
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Just because they idiotically voted to give 20 billion to undeserving people doesn't mean we should waste 140 million too.

Volcanoe monitoring isn't infrastructure spending. Upgrading the power grid to handle the increased use of alternative energy is infrastructure spending.

We are heading for double-digit unemployment. The citizens of this country deserve every dollar that we borrow to be used to create as many JOBS as possible, not just spend money on for the sake of spending money.

by tpeichel 2009-02-26 04:13PM | 0 recs
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Oh yea volcano monitoring is really going to create a lot of jobs! Employ hundreds of thousands of people and put our economy back on track. This is a brilliant addition to our nation's stimulus package. Profound on so many levels.

Btw the USGS already monitors volcanos.

However, putting this fact aside, evidently it's going to create so many jobs it's worth short changing low income school children lunch. Yes, the left is so enlightened and cares so much for their pet projects: the poor, downtrodden and  our educational system. Exactly how much money did our Senate, HOR and ultimately the WH cut from education? I'll give you a hint - a very healthy chunk, monetary figures beginning with a 'B'.

What is truly astounding is the left's reading comprehension, did you miss the $2.4 billion for fossil fuels? Can everyone say Big Oil?

Wow this stimulus package is impressive (sarcasm for those not catching it), and I'm not finished reading it yet! I love those misplaced commas in the dollar figures.

What a mind bender, I'll actually have to sit down and figure out how I'm going to spend that extra $13/week this stimulus package is going to provide me!

Oh yea, Bush is responsible for ALL of our problems and our deficit. We've never had a deficit before LOLOLOLOLOL!
Give it a rest.

by ADAFSMF 2009-02-26 04:04PM | 0 recs

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